Horford -26/yr million. Was it worth it?

[TheOGJabroni]

I see a few comments about Horford and his position rather than the flame fest I was expecting. I do agree that I'd prefer see Al at the 5 at this point. I know he was never a huge fan of it in Atlanta, and on his Florida team's Noah was the guy playing center and we saw how successful they were, but that was forever ago in basketball years. The game has evolved so much that I don't think there's many centers that are going to put a beating on him downlow. Additionally, he can outclass most centers with him skillset; I don't think the same could be said at PF.

With that being said, I don't know if we have the perfect roster to complement him at center. Ideally it would be an athletic rebounding big, and we just don't really have that. However, I did mention in the other thread, if we're going to make a change to the starting lineup when Bradley gets back, it should be going small with both Crowder and Brown at the forward positions. Sadly, Bradley has been our best rebounder when he's been on the court, so the lack of size shouldn't even kill us on the glass in theory.

[jfs1000d]

He is fine. Hasn't scored well and I am assuming the groin injury is an issue.

We had freakin Jared Sullinger playing this slot. So, no complaining.

This is a ridiculous thread. I have said it every single time. Horford is a good player, not a star. We didn't sign a stud alpha No. 1.

He needs the ball more and has to do a slightly better job on the boards. That's it. But, our offense is terrific with him in there.


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[darrendaye]

I see a few comments about Horford and his position rather than the flame fest I was expecting. I do agree that I'd prefer see Al at the 5 at this point. I know he was never a huge fan of it in Atlanta, and on his Florida team's Noah was the guy playing center and we saw how successful they were, but that was forever ago in basketball years. The game has evolved so much that I don't think there's many centers that are going to put a beating on him downlow. Additionally, he can outclass most centers with him skillset; I don't think the same could be said at PF.

With that being said, I don't know if we have the perfect roster to complement him at center. Ideally it would be an athletic rebounding big, and we just don't really have that. However, I did mention in the other thread, if we're going to make a change to the starting lineup when Bradley gets back, it should be going small with both Crowder and Brown at the forward positions. Sadly, Bradley has been our best rebounder when he's been on the court, so the lack of size shouldn't even kill us on the glass in theory.

Having a big who can finish strong at the rim is going to help. Dump downs to Amir always comes with anxiety. He finishes decently, but, it rarely looks pretty. Also, getting Avery back might help free him for more pick and pop opportunities. I kind of wish Brad would design some pick and pop between KO and Horford.

[FeedReed]

he is just so ridiculously soft. whenever he has the ball going to the basket, if there is the slightest resistance in front of him, he kicks it out. he could have mugsy bogues in front of him, he still wouldn't go up strong.

[greenroom31]

Al's splits per month (excluding October):

November: 15.2 pts (on 12.4 shots), 7.4 reb, 5.2 asst, 2.6 blk, 0.8 stl in 33.4 mpg, caveat -- only 5 games
December: 15.9 pts (on 14.1 shots), 6.5 reb, 4.9 asst, 1.8 blk, 0.8 stl in 33.3 mpg, 16 games
January: 15.6 pts (on 13.2 shots), 6.8 reb, 5.6 asst, 1.1 blk, 0.8 stl in 33.9 mpg, 12 games
February: 10.5 pts (on 10.2 shots), 6.6 reb, 3.9 asst, 0.7 blk, 0.6 stl in 31.9 mpg, 11 games

Overall not a great trajectory. Makes me wonder if he got hurt at some point.

[UHar_Vinnie]

To be fair, if no big time free agents ever want to come to Boston like they say on this forum and elsewhere, we'd naturally have to offer more money for them to sign with the C's. The historical greatness of this franchise means practically nothing to players who are 25 or younger; thus they wouldn't give the Celtics a serious discount to be a part of the storied franchise or whatever. And the winter weather is . . . cold and snowy. Gotta pay.

[theman]

Obviously not. He is tied for second place for highest paid NBA players. Is he as good as Durant and Westbrook? No. So why is he getting paid like them.

Arguably lebron is the best player in the league and the highest paid at $30,963,450.

Horford is averaging 1.4 3's 14.2 pts. 6.6 rebs 4.9 asts .7 stls and 1.5 blks
lebron is averaging 1.7 3's 25.7 pts 7.8 rebs, 8.9 asts 1.4 stls and .6 blks.

So by my estimation Horford, assuming lebron is worth his money, is worth 29,724,912. HC he is under paid. The blocks really skewed things.

Edit. Upon further (different) calculations I believe he is worth 19,552,350.97 which in NBA money sounds reasonable.

[jrob23]

Obviously not. He is tied for second place for highest paid NBA players. Is he as good as Durant and Westbrook? No. So why is he getting paid like them.

Arguably lebron is the best player in the league and the highest paid at $30,963,450.

Horford is averaging 1.4 3's 14.2 pts. 6.6 rebs 4.9 asts .7 stls and 1.5 blks
lebron is averaging 1.7 3's 14.2 pts 7.8 rebs, 8.9 asts 1.4 stls and .6 blks.

So by my estimation Horford, assuming lebron is worth his money, is worth 29,724,912. HC he is under paid. The blocks really skewed things.

Edit. Upon further (different) calculations I believe he is worth 19,552,350.97 which in NBA money sounds reasonable.

Lebron is averaging 25.7 ppg not 14.2. That's a big distinction. He's also better in every possible way somehow averaging more rebounds and blocks as a forward than Horford as a center. If we are basing Horford's deserved earnings off of Lebron's I'd say Horford is closer to a $20 million player. We had to overpay because Danny. We could have just started Olynyk and signed a stretch 5 backup for him and it'd have the same impact. When Olynyk has gotten starter type minutes he's produced very close to Horford. He's obviously not as good but the gap isn't that wide. 4 years ago sure, but not now.

[theman]

Obviously not. He is tied for second place for highest paid NBA players. Is he as good as Durant and Westbrook? No. So why is he getting paid like them.

Arguably lebron is the best player in the league and the highest paid at $30,963,450.

Horford is averaging 1.4 3's 14.2 pts. 6.6 rebs 4.9 asts .7 stls and 1.5 blks
lebron is averaging 1.7 3's 14.2 pts 7.8 rebs, 8.9 asts 1.4 stls and .6 blks.

So by my estimation Horford, assuming lebron is worth his money, is worth 29,724,912. HC he is under paid. The blocks really skewed things.

Edit. Upon further (different) calculations I believe he is worth 19,552,350.97 which in NBA money sounds reasonable.

Lebron is averaging 25.7 ppg not 14.2. That's a big distinction. He's also better in every possible way somehow averaging more rebounds and blocks as a forward than Horford as a center. If we are basing Horford's deserved earnings off of Lebron's I'd say Horford is closer to a $20 million player. We had to overpay because Danny. We could have just started Olynyk and signed a stretch 5 backup for him and it'd have the same impact. When Olynyk has gotten starter type minutes he's produced very close to Horford. He's obviously not as good but the gap isn't that wide. 4 years ago sure, but not now.

Nice catch. I just accidentally copied Horford number down. I used the right number in the calculations. I think around 20 is correct as well. A big part of the problem was the CBA and teams HAD to spend money. One of the reasons Phili traded for Bogut was to get above the salary floor. It is also why Amir Johnson is making 12 million.

Boston is in good shape financially. They have one of the lower payrolls, cap space for a max deal this summer and other than Horford, no bloated contracts. Portland owes Crabbe 18 million for 2-3 more season 17 million to Evan Turner, 10 million for three more season to Meyers Leonard. I would rather have one Horford than 2 Leonards.

[truth18]

This guy...

[GreenBloodedC]

I'd be lying if I say I'm not disappointed, and I'm one of the most optimistic posters in this board.

[Higgs Boston]

If he doesn't make a power-up in PO, then I would say that he would become a very bad contract at this rate.

[PierceFan4ever]

One of my least liked Celtic player in a long time. Huge disappointment. I really want to root for him badly because he's a nice guy and chose our franchise when so many teams were going after him but he just flat out stinks right now and is soft.

[London2Boston]

He's going to be run out of town on here after the Playoffs. I just don't see him outplaying any of the potential bigmen we face...

[Marvel]

Totally completely regret signing him...HUGE fail. 6 points(yuck), 6 rebounds(meh), 5 assists(Meh). 3-9, i mean dude is an average role player getting paid superstar money.

[tombattor]

Like I said, Dwight Howard > horford

[Green89]

Like I said, Dwight Howard > horford

Their record doesn't support this. His team was able to blow us out after his ejection.

[jrob23]

Obviously not. He is tied for second place for highest paid NBA players. Is he as good as Durant and Westbrook? No. So why is he getting paid like them.

Arguably lebron is the best player in the league and the highest paid at $30,963,450.

Horford is averaging 1.4 3's 14.2 pts. 6.6 rebs 4.9 asts .7 stls and 1.5 blks
lebron is averaging 1.7 3's 14.2 pts 7.8 rebs, 8.9 asts 1.4 stls and .6 blks.

So by my estimation Horford, assuming lebron is worth his money, is worth 29,724,912. HC he is under paid. The blocks really skewed things.

Edit. Upon further (different) calculations I believe he is worth 19,552,350.97 which in NBA money sounds reasonable.

Lebron is averaging 25.7 ppg not 14.2. That's a big distinction. He's also better in every possible way somehow averaging more rebounds and blocks as a forward than Horford as a center. If we are basing Horford's deserved earnings off of Lebron's I'd say Horford is closer to a $20 million player. We had to overpay because Danny. We could have just started Olynyk and signed a stretch 5 backup for him and it'd have the same impact. When Olynyk has gotten starter type minutes he's produced very close to Horford. He's obviously not as good but the gap isn't that wide. 4 years ago sure, but not now.

Nice catch. I just accidentally copied Horford number down. I used the right number in the calculations. I think around 20 is correct as well. A big part of the problem was the CBA and teams HAD to spend money. One of the reasons Phili traded for Bogut was to get above the salary floor. It is also why Amir Johnson is making 12 million.

Boston is in good shape financially. They have one of the lower payrolls, cap space for a max deal this summer and other than Horford, no bloated contracts. Portland owes Crabbe 18 million for 2-3 more season 17 million to Evan Turner, 10 million for three more season to Meyers Leonard. I would rather have one Horford than 2 Leonards.

yeah, teams really did kinda have to pay out all that money. My concern is that his contract might prevent signing someone else in the future. But I dunno, I'm not seeing too many guys on the horizon I want to go after. We'll hopefully be shoring up each position with great prospects in addition to what we already have. Best to just let them develop together

[Patsfan81]

I liking Vin Baker more than Horford at this point.

[Asian Celtic]

I somehow wish our players would have more scuffles like that earlier. Might probably wake up the "real" celtics of 15-16.