Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official

Andrew McCeltic · Post #406 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:58 am

'Retire as Celtics' means declining as Celtics.. It's rare to have a player like Tim Duncan get in a good situation where his minutes are managed. Look at how Shaq played for us- great in small doses, but then he got hurt and never got better. You trade them and the last memory Boston has is of guys who were still pretty good. Keep them and it will get ugly, and then people will want to trade them, but we won't be able to, and then the cry will be 'Fire Ainge!'

Fantaxp7 · Post #407 » by **Fantaxp7** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:15 am

This is just sad...it really is.

But hey we've reached this point. Back to square one.

I hope we get the most of this deal

. Speed up this rebuild process...

It hurts to see what has become of what we created for this past monumental run.

Avalanche · Post #408 » by **Avalanche** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:30 am

Ok, so 28 pages later time to chime in I guess... I've been following this for days now on twitter and through some writing contacts

There are a few things that really don't add up with todays developments though that lead me to believe this is all just posturing from the Clippers

- Doc telling the Clippers to take Bledsoe off the table, as reported by Woj... Teams were denied access to speak to Doc so this would be a direct violation of that. Could Doc have made a phone call discretely and spoken to them, going against that? sure.. but Woj reporting it to tens of thousands of people would be reason for Ainge and the Celtics to get the Clippers in tampering trouble if this falls apart

- The Clippers never wanting Bledsoe in the deal and only willing to offer Jordan and ONE first round pick. If this is all that has been on the table, Ainge would have walked away days ago. Bledsoe obviously has been the core of the discussions and now the Clips have Ainge ready to deal they are pulling him off the table to try and pull of a steal. It wont work... It cant.. Is Jordan even positive value on that contract? Im willing to take him on, inflate his stats a bit and deal him later but he's not a real asset like Bledsoe or the picks are

- The deal falling apart? There are only so many pieces that could have even been on the table from the start.. Jordan, Picks, Bledsoe and maybe Butlers expiring (though it sounds as though that isn't the direction we are taking). This has been in the works for days, Doc wants to go, both parties seem to ''agree" its the best for all involved... but now a key component is completely off the table and the deal ends otherwise? IF Doc is the guy they want, they want the veteran KG and maybe Pierce to compete for a title and really it wont cost them that much, are they really willing to walk away from it, keep the same squad and hire a Hollins? seems odd to me

Although the last update was that the deal had stalled and was more likely to die then be completed, I don't buy it.. I cant imagine them getting to this stage of the negotiations then letting an asset like Bledsoe allow it to all fall apart, did the Clippers ever get any indication from Ainge that all they would need was Deandre Jordan and a pick? No way in hell, and so we wouldn't of gotten to this point unless there was more on offer

Right now I think its slightly more likely than not that this still goes through, Doc wants to go, the Clippers want him and they are ready to compete, they have the asset to complete the deal if they are just willing to give away a back up guard in Bledsoe who was only a mid first rounder in the first place.

Personally at this point I don't really mind if Doc goes now, not only does he want to leave but it sounds like he's trying to rob the Celtics of a chance to get good assets back from his new team in the process..

But KG?... I'm not ready for him to leave the Celtics, but hell.. I never would be. If its the best we can get and its the best long term option then it is what it is.. But Danny, don't sign off on some second rate deal for the sake of it

CollegeToPros · Post #409 » by **CollegeToPros** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:32 am

Purely my thoughts to sum it up.

1. Danny Ainge is doing the best thing in not budging. The fact is, the Celtics do not have to do the deal. There is only one Doc Rivers and one KG. The clips will not find a better quick fix than this.

2. This is sad to see, but it is better than watching old beast warriors struggle vs low life teams like the knicks who just suck.

3. The deal with Bledsoe is ok. I'm not overly excited about it. Never been huge on DeAndre Jordan. Love Eric Bledsoe. The 2 first round picks are going to be 25-30. Not exactly enticing.

4. How does Pierce get there? buying him out does the Celtics no good. Paul we love ya, but this is not happening without a 3 way trade that lands him in LAC.

5. Lakers are not, will never, u have to be crazy, not in a million years trade a superstar to the team in their building.

6. the clippers are on crack. respect them for swinging for the fences, but they are out of their mind to think Bledsoe will get Howard to the clippers. put him in the Celtics deal and be done with it.

Avalanche · Post #410 » by **Avalanche** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:36 am

CollegeToPros wrote:
4. How does Pierce get there? buying him out does the Celtics no good. Paul we love ya, but this is not happening without a 3 way trade that lands him in LAC.
.

Most likely is deal to a team needing cap space for a big free agent run.. either the Mavs or Rockets who would then buy him out at a discounted rate

IvyLeagueVet · Post #411 » by **IvyLeagueVet** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:50 am

Celtics fans are delusional. Take what you can get for Doc and the Medicaid crew. It's a crappy bluff on Ainge's part because the Clips know that Doc will walk if he can't get out of Boston. Doc walks, KG will retire and Pierce will get bought out.

Waider · Post #412 » by **Waider** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:50 am

CollegeToPros wrote:6. the clippers are on crack. respect them for swinging for the fences, but they are out of their mind to think Bledsoe will get Howard to the clippers. put him in the Celtics deal and be done with it.

The only reason I see Bledsoe not being included in a Celtics deal is that they are trying to do something like a Butler/Bledsoe for Afflalo. Or something similar.

Waider · Post #413 » by **Waider** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:52 am

IvyLeagueVet wrote:Celtics fans are delusional. Take what you can get for Doc and the Medicaid crew. It's a crappy bluff on Ainge's part because the Clips know that Doc will walk if he can't get out of Boston. Doc walks, KG will retire and Pierce will get bought out.

Ainge appears to have shown he is ready to blow this thing up. Doc walking, KG retiring & buying out Pierce won't bother him as he starts his rebuild.

And Ainge knows that if the Clippers don't make a serious move then CP3 walks. He'll even help the Rockets or Mavs get both CP3 & D12. I think the Clippers know that too.

LuckyLeprichan · Post #414 » by **LuckyLeprichan** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:59 am

CollegeToPros wrote:
4. How does Pierce get there? buying him out does the Celtics no good. Paul we love ya, but this is not happening without a 3 way trade that lands him in LAC.

I'm guessing we'd waive him so we're only on the books for 5m and then the Clippers would pick him upwith the MLE. This is dependent on Pierce taking a greatly reduced salary to stay with Doc/KG though.

StojkoVrankovic · RIP texas celtic, 12/10/14 - 12/10/14

I think this happens and the only hold up is the finals. Stern is probably not happy this is going on right now, taking some shine off the finals.

Danny has to get Jordan/Bledsoe/1st round pick, anything else is throwing in the towel. I expect Danny to come out on top of this potential trade.

IvyLeagueVet · Post #416 » by **IvyLeagueVet** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:15 am

Waider wrote:
IvyLeagueVet wrote:Celtics fans are delusional. Take what you can get for Doc and the Medicaid crew. It's a crappy bluff on Ainge's part because the Clips know that Doc will walk if he can't get out of Boston. Doc walks, KG will retire and Pierce will get bought out.

Ainge appears to have shown he is ready to blow this thing up. Doc walking, KG retiring & buying out Pierce won't bother him as he starts his rebuild.

And Ainge knows that if the Clippers don't make a serious move then CP3 walks. He'll even help the Rockets or Mavs get both CP3 & D12. I think the Clippers know that too.

With that said, it's better to have a big ego and let your valuable assets walk with no return compensation. That's blatant stupidity and will get Ainge run out of Boston sooner than he'd like.

Clips will make a serious move because they have 2 attractive pieces. If DJ and/or Bledsoe don't go to Boston, they will go somewhere else. The leverage on that front is minimal to zilch.

Afam · Post #417 » by **Afam** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:29 am

IvyLeagueVet wrote:
Waider wrote:
IvyLeagueVet wrote:Celtics fans are delusional. Take what you can get for Doc and the Medicaid crew. It's a crappy bluff on Ainge's part because the Clips know that Doc will walk if he can't get out of Boston. Doc walks, KG will retire and Pierce will get bought out.

Ainge appears to have shown he is ready to blow this thing up. Doc walking, KG retiring & buying out Pierce won't bother him as he starts his rebuild.

And Ainge knows that if the Clippers don't make a serious move then CP3 walks. He'll even help the Rockets or Mavs get both CP3 & D12. I think the Clippers know that too.

With that said, it's better to have a big ego and let your valuable assets walk with no return compensation. That's blatant stupidity and will get Ainge run out of Boston sooner than he'd like.

Clips will make a serious move because they have 2 attractive pieces. If DJ and/or Bledsoe don't go to Boston, they will go somewhere else. The leverage on that front is minimal to zilch.

That is false. A overrated Jordan who can't shoot, all he does is dunk and dunk, plus he is owed 10 mil is not worth Kg, pierce, plus doc rivers. Either the clippers get real or ainge should walk away. I rather deal with the rockets than get Deandre Jordan the bust. Anyway what team do you rep?

Waider · Post #418 » by **Waider** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:32 am

IvyLeagueVet wrote:Clips will make a serious move because they have 2 attractive pieces. If DJ and/or Bledsoe don't go to Boston, they will go somewhere else. The leverage on that front is minimal to zilch.

We'll have to agree to disagree, I think Ainge holds all the aces in this discussion of Front Offices.

IvyLeagueVet · Post #419 » by **IvyLeagueVet** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:40 am

Afam wrote:
IvyLeagueVet wrote:
Waider wrote:
Ainge appears to have shown he is ready to blow this thing up. Doc walking, KG retiring & buying out Pierce won't bother him as he starts his rebuild.

And Ainge knows that if the Clippers don't make a serious move then CP3 walks. He'll even help the Rockets or Mavs get both CP3 & D12. I think the Clippers know that too.

With that said, it's better to have a big ego and let your valuable assets walk with no return compensation. That's blatant stupidity and will get Ainge run out of Boston sooner than he'd like.

Clips will make a serious move because they have 2 attractive pieces. If DJ and/or Bledsoe don't go to Boston, they will go somewhere else. The leverage on that front is minimal to zilch.

That is false. A overrated Jordan who can't shoot, all he does is dunk and dunk, plus he is owed 10 mil is not worth Kg, pierce, plus doc rivers. Either the clippers get real or ainge should walk away. I rather deal with the rockets than get Deandre Jordan the bust. Anyway what team do you rep?

Something is better than nothing and I think it will reflect poorly on Ainge to get nothing for KG, Pierce and Rivers.

I don't "rep" any team because I don't work for any team. However, I'm a Knicks fan.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #420 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:40 am

Who will the Clippers get instead? Afflalo? Granger? Josh Smith? Eric Gordon? Ok, but Garnett gives them something different than the other names they've been linked to.

IvyLeagueVet · Post #421 » by **IvyLeagueVet** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:57 am

andy582 wrote:Who will the Clippers get instead? Afflalo? Granger? Josh Smith? Eric Gordon? Ok, but Garnett gives them something different than the other names they've been linked to.

Such as what? I love KG, his tenacity and competitive fire and I think he was a great player, but he isn't a front line player. He's on the verge of retirement and you can't tell me you would prefer to have KG for 1 more year over the names you just listed. Don't mix up KG 5 years ago with KG now.

Waider · Post #422 » by **Waider** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:19 am

IvyLeagueVet wrote:
andy582 wrote:Who will the Clippers get instead? Afflalo? Granger? Josh Smith? Eric Gordon? Ok, but Garnett gives them something different than the other names they've been linked to.

Such as what? I love KG, his tenacity and competitive fire and I think he was a great player, but he isn't a front line player. He's on the verge of retirement and you can't tell me you would prefer to have KG for 1 more year over the names you just listed. Don't mix up KG 5 years ago with KG now.

KG (today or 5 years ago) still brings a championship pedigree & culture to the Clippers that rubs off on the team. Same with Doc & his confidence. I think that is the attraction, pieces to show CP3 they are prepared to do what it takes to win.

KG + Doc for 2 years > Afflalo or Granger or Smith for 5 years for a team whose time is now.

Just my humble opinion.

threrf23 · Post #423 » by **threrf23** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:34 am

Three things:

Regarding Doc not wanting the Clipps' to give up Bledsoe, maybe that's not so bad for us. Doc gets a hard-on for lengthy PGs and Jeryl Sasser / Orien Greene are more common than Rajon Rondo. No? Sidenote, I'll be annoyed if Michael Carter-Williams falls to us and we draft him. I don't see what makes him a good prospect.

Regarding KG's worth, I agree we probably don't get back sufficient value. But this wouldn't be about that; it's about showing loyalty to PP and to a lesser extent loyalty to KG & Doc and if we get better-positioned in the process all the better.

Regarding the Blake Griffin for D12 rumor, the funny thing is the Clipps would have been able to sign CP3 & D12 outright if they hadn't given Caron Butler three years and if they had signed and traded Deandre Jordan (or otherwise traded him for expirings and draft picks). This scenario was foreseeable.

rickrolled · Post #424 » by **rickrolled** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:33 am

I won't be sad if this fell through.

Though I want Doc to GTFO of Boston. What a snake.

2Mas · Post #425 » by **2Mas** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:03 am

Fellas.. I need some help here.

Isn't the LAL & LAC D12 for Blake & Bledsoe trade impossible cause the Lakers are over the luxury tax?

I mean we can cause it's a straight up trade but with the Lakers being over the Lux Tax Apron, without Dwight!

So how can this work? Answers are appreciated.