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LeBron startled by hypocrisy of KG, PP leaving Celtics

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Re: LeBron startled by hypocrisy of KG, PP leaving Celtics 

Post#46 » by DelMonte West » Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:23 am

Durins Baynes wrote:Link? I distinctly remember talk of him being benched for Bradley. Ainge tried to trade him too if I recall right.


Allen was benched for Bradley because Bradley was killing it on the court, wreaking havoc on the defensive end like we hadn't seen since the '07-08 season, while Allen couldn't hit the broad side of the barn. We went on a tear with him in the starting lineup.

And yes, Ainge tried to trade him, just like any competent GM should do to improve his team. Nobody's off-limits.
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Post#47 » by Durins Baynes » Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:37 am

So Ray left after being benched and after Ainge tried to trade him (and right after Ainge traded Perkins, who also didn't want to go). Sounds like Allen didn't owe them any loyalty then, and was just reading the writing on the wall.
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Re: LeBron startled by hypocrisy of KG, PP leaving Celtics 

Post#48 » by 15th overall » Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:45 am

Durins Baynes wrote:Link? I distinctly remember talk of him being benched for Bradley. Ainge tried to trade him too if I recall right.

Cant find one because google's flooded with this very story right now but it's out there. If I remember right, Ray's counter offer was $12 million per.. and then he bolted to the team that knocked him out of the ECF for the vet minimum.

Guy's not only "classy" and "loyal" but "competitive" as well. The total package.
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Post#49 » by kulo » Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:49 am

Ray was benched because he was injured and while he was the starting unit had good continuity, why change that? Ainge will try trade everyone if it's the right deal, but that's him. Not KG, Pierce, the fans or anyone else that didn't want him traded. Allen didn't owe loyalty to Danny, but to KG, Pierce etc. he did. It's like leaving a domestic basketball team with all your friends because one of your teammates mother doesn't like you. There was no writing on the wall considering Danny offered him and KG a No-Trade clause.
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Post#50 » by Durins Baynes » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:09 am

I call bull on Ray demanding $12 mill. Ray's not an idiot. Heck, he negotiated one of his Milwaukee contracts without an agent (he just hired a lawyer to do the paper work). No way did he ask for $12 mill per. That's just absurd.
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Post#51 » by kulo » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:25 am

Durins Baynes wrote:I call bull on Ray demanding $12 mill. Ray's not an idiot. Heck, he negotiated one of his Milwaukee contracts without an agent (he just hired a lawyer to do the paper work). No way did he ask for $12 mill per. That's just absurd.

it was 2 Years $12 mill and NTC that Danny offered.
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Post#52 » by Durins Baynes » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:29 am

The poster above claimed Ray wanted $12 mill per year. I call bull on that, not on 2 years $12 mill (which is reasonable). I'd still like to see evidence for it though.
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Post#53 » by SuperDeluxe » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:29 am

Durins Baynes wrote:I call bull on Ray demanding $12 mill. Ray's not an idiot. Heck, he negotiated one of his Milwaukee contracts without an agent (he just hired a lawyer to do the paper work). No way did he ask for $12 mill per. That's just absurd.

It was reported by multiple sources. The Celtics offered him $6 million per season, and he "counter-offered" $12 million/year because he knew the Celtics couldn't and wouldn't do it. Then he turned around and signed a deal with the Heat for $3 million/year if I recall correctly.

Get your facts straight before "calling bull".
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Post#54 » by Durins Baynes » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:33 am

Could someone provide me with a link of this then?
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Post#55 » by Fiktion » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:36 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rodboone/status/391036506133258240[/tweet]
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Post#56 » by SuperDeluxe » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:39 am

Durins Baynes wrote:Could someone provide me with a link of this then?

Are you familiar with Google?
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Post#57 » by Durins Baynes » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:42 am

Are you familiar with google?


I am. And I never saw any evidence around the time this was happening on my daily basketball news reading to suggest he asked for $12 mill per season. Hence why I'm asking if you can provide it.
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Post#58 » by Geoffrey P » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:43 am

Bing is the thing nowadays, SuperDeluxe. Get with the program man
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Post#59 » by SuperDeluxe » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:49 am

Durins Baynes wrote:
Are you familiar with google?


I am. And I never saw any evidence around the time this was happening on my daily basketball news reading to suggest he asked for $12 mill per season. Hence why I'm asking if you can provide it.

I could, but my time is just as valuable as yours. Or maybe more, judging by the time you're devoting to this thread.
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Post#60 » by Durins Baynes » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:54 am

Well, I'm a simple man. I believe in what I can prove, or what makes logical sense, so unless people can present evidence of this claim I'm going to assume it is untrue.
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Post#61 » by SuperDeluxe » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:59 am

Durins Baynes wrote:Well, I'm a simple man. I believe in what I can prove, or what makes logical sense, so unless people can present evidence of this claim I'm going to assume it is untrue.

So I assume you're already googling?

I'm out. Good luck.
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Post#62 » by DijonRondo » Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:12 am

Durins Baynes wrote:People have already made my point for me. What Lebron said is pretty reasonable. Guys ripped on Ray for leaving, even though the Celtics were the ones who wouldn't show Ray any loyalty. I'm also not sure the Celtics were really still a real shot for the title when Ray booked, though of course they weren't rebuilding like they are now. KG could have retired or suffered through it, but like most players he did what was best for him. And so did Ray (and in retrospect it worked for him).


:lol:

Ray owed nothing to the Celtics, but he owed everything to his brothers, KG and Pierce, and the Celtics FANS.

KG and Pierce were the ones who told Ainge to stop the Grizzlies trade, and now he turns his back on them?! (IIRC) The Celtics probably would have made the finals if they had Mayo playing sixth man too.

KG didn't only just do what was best for him, he did what was best for the Celtics organization, because without him, the Celtics wouldn't have gotten the return that they got. Lebron didn't say anything that was reasonable, and anyone who agrees with him is beyond me.
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Re: LeBron startled by hypocrisy of KG, PP leaving Celtics 

Post#63 » by 2Mas » Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:19 am

Man just stop even responding to this clown Durins Baynes.

Yo man. Worry about your team. You have nothing to do with Celtic business.
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Post#64 » by Durins Baynes » Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:26 am

For all you know I am a Celtic fan. Strictly speaking Celtic interests are best served by Doc staying on the Celtics, and not coaching a rival team into the future. I'm not sure how helping Brooklyn really serves Celtic interests, given the fairly modest return obtained for them in a trade. Lastly, OJ Mayo is not any sort of upgrade on Ray Allen. Mayo has already proven he doesn't belong on a winning team. I think a lot of Celtic fans are disappointed with sending off Pierce, KG and Doc, and the decision not to pay more to keep Allen. You could easily have tanked this year with KG and Pierce playing every 2nd game in limited minutes (and with other moves designed to artificially lower the win total). Pierce especially clearly didn't want to go elsewhere. Personally of course, I'd have traded them, or KG at least, because this is a business. But if it's a business, you can't fault Ray for leaving either. It's pretty obvious which way the wind was blowing. The Celtics wanted to replace him with Bradley, and were heading towards a rebuild. He just got out a year early.
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Post#65 » by aporel18 » Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:56 am

Durins Baynes wrote:For all you know I am a Celtic fan. Strictly speaking Celtic interests are best served by Doc staying on the Celtics, and not coaching a rival team into the future. I'm not sure how helping Brooklyn really serves Celtic interests, given the fairly modest return obtained for them in a trade. Lastly, OJ Mayo is not any sort of upgrade on Ray Allen. Mayo has already proven he doesn't belong on a winning team. I think a lot of Celtic fans are disappointed with sending off Pierce, KG and Doc, and the decision not to pay more to keep Allen. You could easily have tanked this year with KG and Pierce playing every 2nd game in limited minutes (and with other moves designed to artificially lower the win total). Pierce especially clearly didn't want to go elsewhere. Personally of course, I'd have traded them, or KG at least, because this is a business. But if it's a business, you can't fault Ray for leaving either. It's pretty obvious which way the wind was blowing. The Celtics wanted to replace him with Bradley, and were heading towards a rebuild. He just got out a year early.


Mayo was healthy, Ray's ankles were shot and he was less than 40% the player he was the previous season. That could've made a difference, but KG and PP stood up for Ray. That's what bummed KG.

But this is not about Ray, I don't care about Ray, he did what was best for him, and he didn't care about his teammates, fans or the Club. KG and PP worked a deal that was the best option for both themselves and the Celtics. KG and PP acted like Celtics and to me they're Celtics for life. That's what this whole thread is about. You can't compare the two situations and if an idiot like LeBroid or a dirty scumbag like Wade call out KG and PP, Celtic fans have all the right to defend them. KG and PP deserve to be defended by Celtic fans. Ray... I don't give a **** for him.

LeBrick and LeHamster aka D-Whistle should shut up and mind their own business. I don't think it's that hard to understand.

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