LeBron startled by hypocrisy of KG, PP leaving Celtics

[SuperDeluxe]

I will ask again- do you have proof of this claim or not? And if you don't, can you please stop saying it happened.

I will say it again: no one here needs to show you "proof", and it looks like no one will. Your attitude is not helping. We read the articles, it was 2012. No one seems to have saved a link back then, likely because no one anticipated Agent Durins Baynes coming to the forum asking for "proof" of its existence or it didn't happen.

You seem to be overly interested in digging up the whole truth about this matter, yet you refuse to do the field work. This thread has gotten to the point that you look more interested in riling people up than in finding out about this crap. It smells like trolling, and the stench is pretty foul.

[DijonRondo]

Hey, ****.

http://boston.sbnation.com/boston-celti ... gency-news

But according to a league source, Allen's request from the Celtics went beyond the pale - reportedly a demand for a three-year, $27 million contract. The Celtics, according to the source, were in the process of attempting to talk Allen down from $9 million to $6 million per year. (via Boston Herald)

[SuperDeluxe]

Hey, ****.

http://boston.sbnation.com/boston-celti ... gency-news

But according to a league source, Allen's request from the Celtics went beyond the pale - reportedly a demand for a three-year, $27 million contract. The Celtics, according to the source, were in the process of attempting to talk Allen down from $9 million to $6 million per year. (via Boston Herald)

And here is the source article: http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_ ... ooses_heat

But, but... You guys said $12 million!

[Geoffrey P]

He also turned down a $5 million/year deal with Memphis (full MLE). Hope I don't need to go back and find my source 'cause I'm too lazy.

[Durins Baynes]

Hey, ****.

http://boston.sbnation.com/boston-celti ... gency-news

But according to a league source, Allen's request from the Celtics went beyond the pale - reportedly a demand for a three-year, $27 million contract. The Celtics, according to the source, were in the process of attempting to talk Allen down from $9 million to $6 million per year. (via Boston Herald)

$9 mill a year is less than $12 right? Sounds like you were wrong. What's amazing is you are presenting this material with a "F#@$ yeh" attitude, as though this proved you right, when it shows you were wrong all along. Pretty ballsy. You do get that this wasn't like some hard demand either, you were in the process of negotiations, and they broke down. It doesn't say who walked away first or what the reasons were. It certainly doesn't support your claim that Ray Allen demanded $12 mill a year (which was always obviously wrong, because I know Allen is not that deluded).

[StojkoVrankovic]

Hey, ****.

http://boston.sbnation.com/boston-celti ... gency-news

But according to a league source, Allen's request from the Celtics went beyond the pale - reportedly a demand for a three-year, $27 million contract. The Celtics, according to the source, were in the process of attempting to talk Allen down from $9 million to $6 million per year. (via Boston Herald)

And here is the source article: http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_ ... ooses_heat

But, but... You guys said $12 million!

Right, but can you prove this in a court of law? If not, please stop using these links as proof

[DijonRondo]

Hey, ****.

http://boston.sbnation.com/boston-celti ... gency-news

But according to a league source, Allen's request from the Celtics went beyond the pale - reportedly a demand for a three-year, $27 million contract. The Celtics, according to the source, were in the process of attempting to talk Allen down from $9 million to $6 million per year. (via Boston Herald)

$9 mill a year is less than $12 right? Sounds like you were wrong. What's amazing is you are presenting this material with a "F#@$ yeh" attitude, as though this proved you right, when it shows you were wrong all along. Pretty ballsy. You do get that this wasn't like some hard demand either, you were in the process of negotiations, and they broke down. It doesn't say who walked away first or what the reasons were. It certainly doesn't support your claim that Ray Allen demanded $12 mill a year (which was always obviously wrong, because I know Allen is not that deluded).

What the ****? When have I ever said that he asked for a 12 mil per year request?

The point of the link was to show how **** lazy you were in pretending to be a detective.

6 million per year was already WAY WAY WAY too generous, and he asks for 9 mill per year with an extra year? He'd be 40 years old coming off an injury, before his contract ended.

Of course, then he signs with the arch enemies for a fraction of that. I think the point has been proven that Allen wasn't as honest as he was with this whole "oh the Celtics didn't have any legitimate urgency in wooing me" charade.

[SuperDeluxe]

He also turned down a $5 million/year deal with Memphis (full MLE). Hope I don't need to go back and find my source 'cause I'm too lazy.

Really? I don't remember reading that. Would he have started in Memphis, or would he have been a sixth man?

Right, but can you prove this in a court of law? If not, please stop using these links as proof

This made me laugh hard

[Durins Baynes]

This was the claim in dispute.

Cant find one because google's flooded with this very story right now but it's out there. If I remember right, Ray's counter offer was $12 million per.. and then he bolted to the team that knocked him out of the ECF for the vet minimum.

Guy's not only "classy" and "loyal" but "competitive" as well. The total package.

I call bull on Ray demanding $12 mill. Ray's not an idiot. Heck, he negotiated one of his Milwaukee contracts without an agent (he just hired a lawyer to do the paper work). No way did he ask for $12 mill per. That's just absurd.

It was reported by multiple sources. The Celtics offered him $6 million per season, and he "counter-offered" $12 million/year because he knew the Celtics couldn't and wouldn't do it. Then he turned around and signed a deal with the Heat for $3 million/year if I recall correctly.

Get your facts straight before "calling bull".

So yeh, I don't get how posting a link showing he asked for less than $12 mill (at one point in the negotiations, not as a final demand) is supposed to be a "F#@$ you" comeback, when it backs up my incredulity all along.

[SuperDeluxe]

This was the claim in dispute.

Cant find one because google's flooded with this very story right now but it's out there. If I remember right, Ray's counter offer was $12 million per.. and then he bolted to the team that knocked him out of the ECF for the vet minimum.

Guy's not only "classy" and "loyal" but "competitive" as well. The total package.

I call bull on Ray demanding $12 mill. Ray's not an idiot. Heck, he negotiated one of his Milwaukee contracts without an agent (he just hired a lawyer to do the paper work). No way did he ask for $12 mill per. That's just absurd.

It was reported by multiple sources. The Celtics offered him $6 million per season, and he "counter-offered" $12 million/year because he knew the Celtics couldn't and wouldn't do it. Then he turned around and signed a deal with the Heat for $3 million/year if I recall correctly.

Get your facts straight before "calling bull".

So yeh, I don't get how posting a link showing he asked for less than $12 mill (at one point in the negotiations, not as a final demand) is supposed to be a "F#@$ you" comeback, when it backs up my incredulity all along.

Maybe you should've chosen a different post to quote, like this maybe:

You may have read it somewhere, but that doesn't mean it was credible or even true. Already one of the posters above admits he doesn't remember how much Ray asked for, and couldn't swear it was $12 mill.

That would be because it doesn't matter? Who cares if it was 12 or 10? It simply was MUCH MORE than the Celtics' best offer, and certainly MUCH, MUCH, MUCH MORE than the money Ray ended up taking from Miami.

Troll.

[DijonRondo]

This was the claim in dispute.

Cant find one because google's flooded with this very story right now but it's out there. If I remember right, Ray's counter offer was $12 million per.. and then he bolted to the team that knocked him out of the ECF for the vet minimum.

Guy's not only "classy" and "loyal" but "competitive" as well. The total package.

I call bull on Ray demanding $12 mill. Ray's not an idiot. Heck, he negotiated one of his Milwaukee contracts without an agent (he just hired a lawyer to do the paper work). No way did he ask for $12 mill per. That's just absurd.

It was reported by multiple sources. The Celtics offered him $6 million per season, and he "counter-offered" $12 million/year because he knew the Celtics couldn't and wouldn't do it. Then he turned around and signed a deal with the Heat for $3 million/year if I recall correctly.

Get your facts straight before "calling bull".

So yeh, I don't get how posting a link showing he asked for less than $12 mill (at one point in the negotiations, not as a final demand) is supposed to be a "F#@$ you" comeback, when it backs up my incredulity all along.

The point is that 9 is more than 6. And 6 is more than 3. 6 was way too much already. I'll need to call my fictional attorney before we procede and we might have to call the Boston police department for River's alibi during the Allen negotiations to see if foul play was involved.

[Durins Baynes]

Well that post is a lot less pertinent, because it's not what was in dispute. I'm sure there are other posts you made in your 13,000+ post time here that also weren't wrong, but I didn't quote them either. You shouldn't take being proven wrong so personally. In fact, some people might even think you should apologise for your rudeness and retract your earlier remarks. At least that's the way we roll where I'm from.

[SuperDeluxe]

Well that post is a lot less pertinent, because it's not what was in dispute.

So what was in dispute was the accuracy of the $12 million? I thought we were actually discussing the way Ray Allen made impossible demands to the Celtics in order to mask his already-made decision to join the arch-enemy, the team he had faced just a few weeks earlier playing a few games like an old geezer who couldn't throw a basket ball into the ocean.

I'm sure there are other posts you made in your 13,000+ post time here that also weren't wrong, but I didn't quote them either. You shouldn't take being proven wrong so personally. In fact, some people might even think you should apologise for your rudeness and retract your earlier remarks. At least that's the way we roll where I'm from.

I now see the error of my ways, thank you. My most sincere apologies.

[SuperDeluxe]

Ten years here and I am still good at getting riled up by a troll.

[Durins Baynes]

There were multiple things being discussed on this thread. One of them was whether Allen was demanding $12 mill per year, which I called bull on. You sneeringly replied to tell me I was wrong, and told me to "get my facts straight", but in fact I was quite correct. You were wrong. You have not apologised or retracted your remarks, instead you've been twice as rude since then. Pretty poor form.

[DijonRondo]

For the record, Allen posted some of his worse numbers in the playoffs in 2012. Career lows in PPG, 3PFG% FG% and FT% since his first playoff appearance. That year was also his worse numbers in the per 36 mins category. He had less than a .100 win share per 48 mins, which is crazy considering the Celtics actually made it to the ECF and took the champs to 7 games. He had a pathetic career low in eFG% TS% and had a measely 10 per (lol).

Is this the same **** that you think "deserves" 6-9(12) million?

[SuperDeluxe]

There were multiple things being discussed on this thread. One of them was whether Allen was demanding $12 mill per year, which I called bull on. You sneeringly replied to tell me I was wrong, and told me to "get my facts straight", but in fact I was quite correct. You were wrong. You have not apologised or retracted your remarks, instead you've been twice as rude since then. Pretty poor form.

I just gave you an And1 for the smile you brought upon my face.

[Taget]

Lebron James is like Miley Cyrus. Much easier to enjoy with the mute button on.

Seriously. Does this guy even have PR people?

[jirrit]

For all you know I am a Celtic fan. Strictly speaking Celtic interests are best served by Doc staying on the Celtics, and not coaching a rival team into the future. I'm not sure how helping Brooklyn really serves Celtic interests, given the fairly modest return obtained for them in a trade. Lastly, OJ Mayo is not any sort of upgrade on Ray Allen. Mayo has already proven he doesn't belong on a winning team. I think a lot of Celtic fans are disappointed with sending off Pierce, KG and Doc, and the decision not to pay more to keep Allen. You could easily have tanked this year with KG and Pierce playing every 2nd game in limited minutes (and with other moves designed to artificially lower the win total). Pierce especially clearly didn't want to go elsewhere. Personally of course, I'd have traded them, or KG at least, because this is a business. But if it's a business, you can't fault Ray for leaving either. It's pretty obvious which way the wind was blowing. The Celtics wanted to replace him with Bradley, and were heading towards a rebuild. He just got out a year early.

It's all about moving to the Miami Heat of all places. And demanding so much money and then signing for the team you've battled against. It's all business I know but you damn know this is stabbing someone in 'the heart'. Like your gf picking your best friend over you or some random dude. It's just that extra stab that makes it 'FY Ray'

[ryan in Maine]

There were multiple things being discussed on this thread. One of them was whether Allen was demanding $12 mill per year, which I called bull on. You sneeringly replied to tell me I was wrong, and told me to "get my facts straight", but in fact I was quite correct. You were wrong. You have not apologised or retracted your remarks, instead you've been twice as rude since then. Pretty poor form.

To recap,

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1278146&start=30#p37159604
You enter the discussion proclaiming your rightness. You then claim that Ray is a victim of Boston unloyalty. Nothing else you said was wrong or even disagreeable from my pov, but you're off to a rough start considering your posting location.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1278146&start=30#p37159760
Here you demonstrate your skepticism of Ray's salary negotiations. You also claim Boston was trying to give Ray's role away. That's a rough follow-up to your initial entrance into the discussion.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1278146&start=30#p37160111
Here you question 15thoverall's comments about Ray requesting $7-9 million per with a no trade clause. That is perfectly normal. It was a strange claim. But then you remember "talk" of Ray being benched for Bradley and Ray being shopped. You will have to forgive anyone's eyebrow swoosh at you remembering that tidbit with your current track record of remembering things.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1278146&start=45#p37161410
Here, you try a classic journalism technique commonly deployed to illicit emotion. Your phrasing is literally offensive to people who were watching the Celtics play basketball at that time. Ray did not get benched after Boston tried to trade him away. So screw loyalty. Now, people on this board see it as Ray pulling a Cartman after he got outplayed and forgot how to shoot a basketball. Rather than Ray picking himself up and dusting himself off to dedicate himself to the next season, he began whining to the media. You must remember that since it's usually brought up in conjunction with the "benched for Bradley then shopped" thing you remembered in your previous post. If anything, Ray should've publicly apologized for playing so unRay-like.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1278146&start=45#p37161575
Here, you call bull on 15thoverall's claim of Ray demanding $12 million per. You were right to do this, because that figure from 15thoverall was insane and he should've known better as soon as he reread what he typed. This is your first post in the discussion that isn't trying to stir up some controversy.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1278146&start=45#p37161673
Here, you respond to kulo's post where he corrected 15thoverall's claim to $6 million per by choosing to concentrate on 15thoverall's post rather than just stfu and move along knowing it was a ridiculous claim. This can be considered picking a fight (or trolling.) You need to know when to let it go.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1278146&start=45#p37161692
Here you are asking for a link to support the $12m claim after SuperDeluxe (who also should know better) joined 15thoverall in moment of false memory. This would be a reasonable request if it wasn't just so fing lazy. You have access to all the resources we do. But I'll give you the benefit of doubt and assume you were hoping someone had a link bookmarked and ready for gift-wrapping.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1278146&start=45#p37161742
Here you are refusing to use Google. I'm ok with this, because the $12m per claim is pretty wild. But again, you're feeding and seeding confrontation. Arguing. Trolling. It's a vibe some people (especially regular posters and mods) are prone to getting from time to time.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1278146&start=45#p37161801
Here you elect yourself correct. Some people may be put off by this.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1278146&start=60#p37161911
Here you begin defending your fanship (maybe) and you go in a different direction from your previous posts. Other posters are probably wondering why you have time to argue and do a sudden breakdown of the team's position in the end of the PGA era, but refuse to Google something. Again, I'm with you on that bogus $12m per figure, but it looks dodgy to other people in that discussion with you.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1278146&start=60#p37162071
This is your 2nd normal post in the thread. But you also referenced your own previously controversial claims. So some people might not dig that technique. It's a net-neutral.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1278146&start=60#p37162456
You're officially beating this horse so hard. You should've let it go, man. Everyone else has moved on for the most part, and the discussion has moved on to greener pastures. Until you post again, that is...

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1278146&start=75#p37166007
Here you are getting mad and delving into semantics (and being just way too serious for a sports board.) This is known as the "you mad doggie?" method of posting. And boy are "you mad" when you reach the point of telling people to "Put up or shut up."

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1278146&start=75#p37166147
Beat that horse, Durins Baynes! "Are you not entertained!?!?"

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1278146&start=75#p37166277
You are literally prattling along like a tweeny bopper debating pop music at this point. Everyone has officially stopped taking you seriously, including the posters who agreed with you.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1278146&start=75#p37166375
Always the bridesmaid, never the bride. He who seeks truth finds it. No matter what quote used to sum this post up, you're officially annoying everyone unlucky enough to find your posts. A mod is completely within their rights and duties to ban you for trolling at this point. And I agree with your stance!

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1278146&start=90#p37168309
Now everyone knows that, not only are you lazy and argumentative, but you're really fing petty, too. If that's what you were going for then you just put on a clinic, bruh. A clinic!

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1278146&start=90#p37168432
You are a crusader for sports board justice. Bra-vo!

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1278146&start=90#p37168493
Now here, you actually turn into a dickface. Was it a full moon? No, I don't think it was (sorry I don't have a link to prove it.) You must just be a dickface.* A dick literally just sprung forth from your face.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1278146&start=90#p37168575
They're just messing with you by this point, man. Not a good look for you. I've seen less commitment from bitter divorce proceedings. But at least you were right and they were wrong. That's ultimately what leads to sports board power and respect.

Please stop posting. At least in this thread. Maybe consider taking a mental health day from work.

* Yes. Name-calling. Absolutely.