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Celtics' current Defense = HISTORIC

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Celtics' current Defense = HISTORIC 

Post#1 » by stretch » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:17 pm

This Celtics teams of the last 5 years always had the will and defensive potential to be one of the greatest teams of all time. Aside from the 07-08 initial season, it hasn't quite come together for different reasons (injuries, bad apples, etc.). When we got Sheed in 09-10, Doc Rivers invoked the Chicago Bears of 1985 and talked about the potential to have the best defense ever.

Well right now, the Celtics might be playing some of the best defense in history, and Doc Rivers' vision is being realized. Few people outside of Celtics fans and Doug Collins have taken note. Here are some quotes from a thought piece by John Hollinger at ESPN, posted by somebody over at CelticsBlog.

The defense, however, hasn't just been treading water; it's practically walking on it. Boston has allowed an astounding 92.9 points per 100 possessions over its past 15 games, according to NBA.com's advanced stats tool, a figure which has propelled it to the league lead in defensive efficiency.

Let me help you try to grasp the significance of that 92.9 figure. The league average in offensive efficiency in that stretch shot up to 103.0, as every NBA team (except the ones playing Boston) found its post-lockout offensive rhythm.

So in the past 15 games, Boston's defensive efficiency is a full 10 points better than the league average, a feat which nobody has done for a full season since … actually nobody has ever done that. Not even the 2008 champions, who were only 7.98 points better.

That gives you some idea of how awesome the Celtics' defense has been, but again the question comes up: How? Early in the season, the Celtics didn't defend even remotely this well. Boston permitted 100.5 points per 100 possessions in its first 10 games, leaving it in the middle of the pack in defensive efficiency. Kevin Garnett looked heavy-legged and unable to jump, and it wasn't clear how that problem might fix itself, plus the bench was a federal disaster zone.

I wrote about this very topic in January, when Kendrick Perkins and the Thunder visited and every Celtics fan was mourning Perk's departure as the reason for the team's decline.

It seems absurd now, but the mood in Boston in mid-January was rather pessimistic. Slowly but surely, the Celtics got better, and it rapidly coalesced coming out of the All-Star break. Garnett found his legs and has defended with his usual zeal ever since, plus he embraced a shift to the center position once Jermaine O'Neal and Chris Wilcox were lost for the season. That move finally allowed Boston to put its best frontcourt duo (Garnett and Brandon Bass) on the court for extended periods.

Other small but subtle shifts worked in Boston's favor: Shot-blocker Greg Stiemsma fortified the second unit, veteran castoffs like Mickael Pietrus and Ryan Hollins made a bad bench somewhat less awful, Rajon Rondo stopped missing games with nagging injuries, and Paul Pierce got in better shape.

So they were a better team once the tough part of the schedule came along. With those changes, the Celtics gutted out road wins in Atlanta and Milwaukee that kept themselves in the Atlantic Division race and allowed them to survive the grueling eight-game road trip.

And yet, they still were more or less scuffling along. Then Avery Bradley started playing regularly at shooting guard, and suddenly the Celtics found another level.

Bradley went in the starting lineup when Ray Allen went out with an injury, and he's been so good that Allen is now coming off the bench. Bradley's impact has been twofold. First, he had been abysmal offensively in previous trials at the point, but playing off the ball next to Rondo he's proved adequate: In this nine-game stretch as a starter, he's hit double figures six times.

Defensively, however, Bradley is a world-class pest. He's quick, athletic and relentless and excels at pressuring the ball, making up for being a bit undersized for the 2. While his rejection of Dwyane Wade last week is the play everyone is talking about, my heart was won earlier this season, when Orlando's guards could scarcely get the ball across the time line against him.

Add a heavy dose of Bradley to the mix, and the result has been that an already excellent defense has become an absolutely terrifying one. In this nine-game stretch, the Celtics have allowed 79 points or fewer five times, and the only teams to beat them are Chicago and San Antonio.




The lineup data supports the idea that Boston has found itself a defensive lineup for the ages. Check out the carnage on NBA.com's advanced stats tool: When Bradley and Garnett play together, Boston gives up 88.8 points per 100 possessions, allows 38.8 percent shooting and forces nearly one turnover for every assist. This is scary stuff, and it's not one of those small-minute flukes, either -- they've played 658 minutes together.

You think that's impressive? How's this: When Rondo and Bradley play together, opponents average 82.2 points per 100 possessions.

That's nearly 20 points below the league average. It's in 271 minutes, so it's not as robust a sample as the data with Garnett, but good heavens. The Celtics barely need to bother with an offense if the D is going to provide this kind of domination
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Despite more season-ending injuries than any team in history (Jeff Green, Jermaine O'Neal, Chris Wilcox, ...), and despite being so bad at rebounding and not having as much offensive firepower as in the past --- all-world defense enables the Celtics to compete with and have a chance at beating the top 4 of OKC/Miami/Chicago/San Antonio.
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Re: Celtics' current Defense = HISTORIC 

Post#2 » by Pogue Mahone » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:27 pm

This all seems vaguely familiar to me ...

Thank you for posting that (even if I dislike both Das Celticsbloggen AND Hollinger.)

Maybe Hollinger is just "hating on Ray Allen." Quick, someone start the next RealGM Celtics' board witch hunt!
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Post#3 » by lorak » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:41 pm

Small sample + many weak opponents.
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Post#4 » by Ed Pinkney » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:49 pm

I think another factor was all the new players took time to get used to each other and our defensive schemes as there was almost no training camp. Also, things have been a lot more settled as the trade deadline came and went without a move, I think that probably played on the teams mind more than people might think.
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Post#5 » by bballcool34 » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:49 pm

but their defense is number 1 in the league right now, historic or not, it's still ***** impressive.

If there was any way Danny could have gotten us a rebounder, he should have gotten us one--- this team was a sure fire contender with another big, and you don't pass up potential future success for the opportunity in the present.
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Post#6 » by WhateverBro » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:53 pm

Nothing surprising here.. Garnett is THAT DUDE defensively. Best non-center defensive player of all-time, no question to me.
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Post#7 » by jfs1000d » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:10 pm

You may have the best defensive player in the league in Garnett, then, you add in the best PG defender (when he wants to be) and then the best PG/SG defender I have ever seen in Bradley.

It's too bad Ainge didn't go get a big who could rebound, we may kick ourselves in the playoffs if we can't capitalize and get to he finals
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Post#8 » by 31to6 » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:59 am

1. Our recent opponents have been FAR from weak.

2. Miami certainly tarnished these numbers a bit tonight!

3. I don't get, at all, where Danny was supposed to 'go get' us a rebounder at the deadline. There were none available.
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Post#9 » by Banks2Pierce » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:24 am

DavidStern wrote:Small sample + many weak opponents.


The numbers actually get lower as the sample size increases and the opponents have been good on offense. Nice try.
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Post#10 » by LarryBirdsFingr » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:53 am

I think doc knows how amazing we can play when we run our stuff. That's why he was so incredulous after the bulls game, because we should have had a way better effort, which gets you a better result.
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Post#11 » by lorak » Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:37 am

Banks2Pierce wrote:
DavidStern wrote:Small sample + many weak opponents.


The numbers actually get lower as the sample size increases and the opponents have been good on offense. Nice try.


That insider article says "last 15 games", so 5 in april, and 10 in march. Sure, in april, opponets were very strong, but look at last 10 games in march: GSW (without Curry and Ellis), Hawks, 76ers, Wizards, Bobcats, Wolves (without Rubio) - all of them are below average teams on offense. On average in that 10 march games opponents ortg was -0.7 below league average. Even if we add 5 april's game we have +0.4 opponents ortg.

Anyway, I agree that Celtics play great defense, but saying it's on historic level is big stretch, because sample is still small.
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Post#12 » by GuyClinch » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:06 am

You may have the best defensive player in the league in Garnett, then, you add in the best PG defender (when he wants to be) and then the best PG/SG defender I have ever seen in Bradley.


TA was better then Bradley defensively - could defend the 1/2/3 and was stronger.. So this statement is hyperbole. OTOH you can actually play Rondo with Bradley because he can shoot a little..
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Post#13 » by Datruth345 » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:19 pm

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Post#14 » by EJay33 » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:37 pm

It's probably a little premature to call Bradley the best PG/SG defender you've ever seen. He has been an NBA starter for 2 and a half weeks.
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Post#15 » by Slartibartfast » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:57 pm

31to6 wrote:
3. I don't get, at all, where Danny was supposed to 'go get' us a rebounder at the deadline. There were none available.


JJ Hickson would have been nice. Not a great rebounder, but a better one than Bass.
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Post#16 » by humblebum » Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:21 pm

It's amazing how this team has been able to reinvent itself while still keeping the core philosophy intact. That's really a testament to how Doc and Ainge have built this team and developed the players and system.

I really think a lot of the Celtics success recently can be attributed, of course, to the contributions from KG and Rondo. But I don't think it can be understated just how good and timely the defensive play of Bradley, Steimsma, and Sasha/Mickael has been.

Bradley might not be the "best guard defender I've seen" (his potential could land him that title at some point in his development though) but he's just a dog out there. I think Bradley and KG are our only true defensive "dogs". These guys both want to take peoples hearts out on defense. Combine that with the competent support from Rondo (who can be a dog in his own right at times), Pierce, Bass (who can be shaky in his execution but plays with physicality and energy), Steamer, Sasha, etc. and you have that type of top register defensive execution as we've seen recently.

I also would love to say that I really like how the offense is molding together with Ray coming off the bench and KG in a resurgence. Being able to run multiple down screens with tons of competent shooters (Ray, Pierce, KG, Bass, Bradley, Sasha, Pietrus) is a beautiful thing to see. Rondo pushing tempo and inserting himself into the scoring at appropriate times. Just wonderful basketball.
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Post#17 » by jbs » Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:27 pm

Excellent article by Kevin Arnovitz on the new-look Celtics (Killer Lineup: The Celtics' new look) : http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... s-new-look

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