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Re: trying to keep track of the KG/PP trade so far 

Post#21 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:44 pm

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Celtics2014 wrote:It's important to remember all the positives the Nets have gotten from the trade.

They lost two years of Gerald Wallace

Got 1 year of Pierce and Garnett (Probably would not have made it to the second round of the play offs without them)

Has at least 1 more year of KG

Seems even :clown:


In seriousness I think the trade was a big win for them before Pierce and KG had played a single minute. They had made a giant investment in costs in building an arena and moving the team. It's clear based on the deal and the several preceding it they needed to go into that year with significant fanfare and you could argue they high price paid helped them do that. A single late first wouldn't indicate some great acquisition, the price paid said we are bringing in Hall of Famers.

They were widely looked at as title contenders last summer to the point people were complaining when they inked the Kirilenko deal that it was unfair.

So while it's a big blow to their future, the Nets got their part of the return in exactly the way they needed it before the first preseason game was played. The fact they didn't even make an attempt to resign Pierce just further shows this move was about business for them more than basketball.


Try telling this to Nets fans and they'll accuse you of trolling. This would make sense if they actually made money. That team lost $144 million last year, which is the main reason why they didn't sign Pierce. His salary of $5 million would have put them in the repeater tax territory. That trade was a bad business move, and would have only made sense on the basketball side of things if they won a title.

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Re: trying to keep track of the KG/PP trade so far 

Post#22 » by Fidel Sarcasmo » Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:29 pm

Banks2Pierce wrote:It also contributed to Smart. There are waves from this trade that will be felt until at least 2025, and that's not a typo.


Your exactly right. Our record last year has a direct correlation to the squad we had in place last year. It took 25 wins, no more no less to land the 5th spot. had we kept PP and KG, we would've been 500 easily and out of the lottery or at the tail end.
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Re: trying to keep track of the KG/PP trade so far 

Post#23 » by NL41 » Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:51 am

Dwight Powell,
Erik Murphy,
Malcolm Thomas,
John Lucas III
and a pair of 2nd-round picks.
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Re: trying to keep track of the KG/PP trade so far 

Post#24 » by Jammer » Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:57 am

Outgoing
Paul Pierce
Kevin Garnett
Jason Terry
D. J. White (waived)


Incoming
Nets 2014 First Round Pick (James Young)
Nets 2016 First Round Pick
Option to Swap Celtics 2017 First and Second Round Picks for Nets 2017 First Round Pick
Nets 2018 First Round Pick


$10.3 Million TPE (used to acquire Tyler Zeller,
Cav's 2016 1rst Round Pick (Top 10 Protected) and
Marcus Thornton)


Kris Humphries (Signed & Traded to Washington for $4.3 Million TPE plus
Wizards 2016 2nd Round Pick (only if #50 or higher))

Gerald Wallace

Marshon Brooks (traded with Jordan Crawford to Golden State for
Philadelphia's 2015 and 2016 2nd Round Picks)

Kris Joseph (waived)

Keith Bogans (traded to Cleveland for Cleveland's 2016 2nd Round Pick,
Cleveland's 2017 2nd Round Pick,
Dwight Powell,

John Lucas III (unguaranteed but likely will be flipped before the end of camp for a 2nd round pick),
Erik Murphy (likely to be waived),
Malcolm Thomas (likely to be waived) and
$5.3 Million TPE
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Re: trying to keep track of the KG/PP trade so far 

Post#25 » by ConstableGeneva » Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:01 am

@Jammer: Add a $5M+ TPE from Bogans trade.
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Re: trying to keep track of the KG/PP trade so far 

Post#26 » by Jammer » Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:09 am

ConstableGeneva wrote:@Jammer: Add a $5M+ TPE from Bogans trade.


Thanks. Added to last line of post immediately preceding yours.
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Re: trying to keep track of the KG/PP trade so far 

Post#27 » by Bohemian » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:22 am

Jammer wrote:Outgoing
Paul Pierce
Kevin Garnett
Jason Terry
D. J. White (waived)


Incoming
Nets 2014 First Round Pick (James Young)
Nets 2016 First Round Pick
Option to Swap Celtics 2017 First and Second Round Picks for Nets 2017 First Round Pick
Nets 2018 First Round Pick


$10.3 Million TPE (used to acquire Tyler Zeller,
Cav's 2016 1rst Round Pick (Top 10 Protected) and
Marcus Thornton)


Kris Humphries (Signed & Traded to Washington for $4.3 Million TPE plus
Wizards 2016 2nd Round Pick (only if #50 or higher))

Gerald Wallace

Marshon Brooks (traded with Jordan Crawford to Golden State for
Philadelphia's 2015 and 2016 2nd Round Picks)

Kris Joseph (waived)

Keith Bogans (traded to Cleveland for Cleveland's 2016 2nd Round Pick,
Cleveland's 2017 2nd Round Pick,
Dwight Powell,

John Lucas III (unguaranteed but likely will be flipped before the end of camp for a 2nd round pick),
Erik Murphy (likely to be waived),
Malcolm Thomas (likely to be waived) and
$5.3 Million TPE


Where did you read this? Very intriguing
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Re: trying to keep track of the KG/PP trade so far 

Post#28 » by rickrolled » Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:19 am

We must retire Billy Kings jersey, because the Nets sure won't.
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Re: trying to keep track of the KG/PP trade so far 

Post#29 » by Jammer » Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:01 am

Bohemian wrote:
Jammer wrote:Outgoing
Paul Pierce
Kevin Garnett
Jason Terry
D. J. White (waived)


Incoming
Nets 2014 First Round Pick (James Young)
Nets 2016 First Round Pick
Option to Swap Celtics 2017 First and Second Round Picks for Nets 2017 First Round Pick
Nets 2018 First Round Pick


$10.3 Million TPE (used to acquire Tyler Zeller,
Cav's 2016 1rst Round Pick (Top 10 Protected) and
Marcus Thornton)


Kris Humphries (Signed & Traded to Washington for $4.3 Million TPE plus
Wizards 2016 2nd Round Pick (only if #50 or higher))

Gerald Wallace

Marshon Brooks (traded with Jordan Crawford to Golden State for
Philadelphia's 2015 and 2016 2nd Round Picks)

Kris Joseph (waived)

Keith Bogans (traded to Cleveland for Cleveland's 2016 2nd Round Pick,
Cleveland's 2017 2nd Round Pick,
Dwight Powell,

John Lucas III (unguaranteed but likely will be flipped before the end of camp for a 2nd round pick),
Erik Murphy (likely to be waived),
Malcolm Thomas (likely to be waived) and
$5.3 Million TPE


Where did you read this? Very intriguing


Just keeping track of all the pieces. I don't think that you can find it all in one place like I've tabulated here.
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Re: trying to keep track of the KG/PP trade so far 

Post#30 » by KGboss » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:43 pm

And what has brooklyn gotten?

No first round picks outside of this year.

Pierce leaves.
Terry traded.
KG probably retiing after this year.

Team got robbed.
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Re: trying to keep track of the KG/PP trade so far 

Post#31 » by Fencer reregistered » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:34 pm

For one year of service out of Pierce (definitely), two years out of KG (probably), and Terry's non-contribution, Brooklyn indeed overpaid wildly. Obviously, a lot of that is due to post-deal changes in strategy, but the strategy changes in turn have a lot to do with the fact that the deal didn't work out for them like they hoped.
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Re: trying to keep track of the KG/PP trade so far 

Post#32 » by SMTBSI » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:54 pm

Jammer wrote:
Bohemian wrote:
Jammer wrote:John Lucas III (unguaranteed but likely will be flipped before the end of camp for a 2nd round pick)


Where did you read this? Very intriguing


Just keeping track of all the pieces. I don't think that you can find it all in one place like I've tabulated here.

I think it was specifically this bit about flipping John Lucas III that Bohemian was curious about.
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Re: trying to keep track of the KG/PP trade so far 

Post#33 » by Jammer » Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:35 pm

SMTBSI: It's irrelevant now that Rondo broke his hand and will miss 6-8 weeks.

John Lucas III may survive past the end of training camp now.
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Re: trying to keep track of the KG/PP trade so far 

Post#34 » by hands11 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:36 am

NL41 wrote:I guess now we're rooting for Pierce big-time, hoping WAS ends up with a top 10 record, so we can get a 50something second round pick.


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And as a Wizards fan, I'm stoked he has joined them.

Hopefully we can give Cleveland some misery.
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Re: trying to keep track of the KG/PP trade so far 

Post#35 » by Elrod is Back » Fri Oct 3, 2014 12:15 am

Inspired by this thread, I wrote the following: http://basketball.realgm.com/article/23 ... d-Optimism
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Re: trying to keep track of the KG/PP trade so far 

Post#36 » by jbs » Fri Oct 3, 2014 10:58 am

Thanks for this excellent summary, Elrod.

Elrod is Back wrote:Inspired by this thread, I wrote the following: http://basketball.realgm.com/article/23 ... d-Optimism
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Re: trying to keep track of the KG/PP trade so far 

Post#37 » by theman » Fri Oct 3, 2014 5:14 pm

Elrod is Back wrote:Nope. The Nets basically mortgaged their future, the rest of the decade, with this deal. No way that team contends for an NBA title in any serious sense until a new generations of players is on board, say in the early 2020s at the soonest. If a trade where you mortgage your future does not produce a 60 win team that makes it to the finals or wins a title, then it is a bad deal. You cannot squander no. 1 picks like that. And losing Wallace means little to them because they are around $300 gazillion over the cap already. They had no room to play with and their klepto-billionaire owner apparently doesn't care less about the luxury tax.

That is why smart GMs never make moronic trades like that one. And it is why Danny was so lucky, because his haul for moving PP and KG in the summer of 2013 would have been much much less with any other team(s).


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