No Longer Just Fultz-am and Jetsom: Celtics Hit the Big Time in the Draft. 2017 Draft thread 4.0.

Gomes3PC · Post #41 » by **Gomes3PC** » Wed May 24, 2017 1:34 pm

Tony Bradley staying in the draft. Raw, but if he slips out of the 1st he's a guy to think about. Eats on the glass and great wingspan.

Post #42 » by **Froob** » Wed May 24, 2017 4:36 pm

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Green89 · Post #43 » by **Green89** » Wed May 24, 2017 6:23 pm

Fox says he's the best in the draft due to his defense and he can create his own shot better than Ball or Fultz.

Gomes3PC · Post #44 » by **Gomes3PC** » Wed May 24, 2017 6:29 pm

Green89 wrote:Fox says he's the best in the draft due to his defense and he can create his own shot better than Ball or Fultz.

I will say this - if Fox's jumper improves, he could certainly wind up the best player in the class.

Post #45 » by **165bows** » Wed May 24, 2017 6:41 pm

Gomes3PC wrote:Tony Bradley staying in the draft. Raw, but if he slips out of the 1st he's a guy to think about. Eats on the glass and great wingspan.

Seems a little like an Amir 2.0, is that right?

Gomes3PC · Post #46 » by **Gomes3PC** » Wed May 24, 2017 6:45 pm

165bows wrote:
Gomes3PC wrote:Tony Bradley staying in the draft. Raw, but if he slips out of the 1st he's a guy to think about. Eats on the glass and great wingspan.

Seems a little like an Amir 2.0, is that right?

Always hard to tell how a guy will defend - that's what made Amir so great. He was always just decent on the glass but his rim protection was elite despite having unspectacular size.

Ian Mahinmi is kind of who comes to mind as a baseline, or maybe Perkins if he beefs up. Don't pay him what the Wiz paid and he could be a good defensive-minded center off the bench.

ViperGTS · Post #47 » by **ViperGTS** » Wed May 24, 2017 6:46 pm

Froob wrote:
ViperGTS wrote:
DK-All Day wrote:
Mama, I made it.

I made a list!!

Truthfully, I don't know what these lists mean?

Post count for last thread, it's the wall of shame.

Then I didn't do near enough! Can't let the Froobster be higher on the list than myself. I gots works to do.

Jingles · Post #48 » by **Jingles** » Wed May 24, 2017 6:48 pm

Gomes3PC wrote:
Green89 wrote:Fox says he's the best in the draft due to his defense and he can create his own shot better than Ball or Fultz.

I will say this - if Fox's jumper improves, he could certainly wind up the best player in the class.

To be fair, if Fultz's jumper improves, he could wind up a top 10 player in the whole league.

ConstableGeneva · Post #49 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Wed May 24, 2017 6:58 pm

CANNOT. WAIT.

Gomes3PC · Post #50 » by **Gomes3PC** » Wed May 24, 2017 6:59 pm

Jingles wrote:
Gomes3PC wrote:
Green89 wrote:Fox says he's the best in the draft due to his defense and he can create his own shot better than Ball or Fultz.

I will say this - if Fox's jumper improves, he could certainly wind up the best player in the class.

To be fair, if Fultz's jumper improves, he could wind up a top 10 player in the whole league.

I'd say it's more D than jumper for Fultz, but yes, agree with your point. I think there's 5 guys who could turn out to be the best in this class:

Fultz - greatest scoring ceiling
Ball - Greatest overall offensive game
Jackson - jack of all trades at most valuable modern position
Fox - best athlete in class
Isaac - best overall tools

You take Fultz #1 because his likelihood of reaching his ceiling is probably the best, and his baseline outcome is still a borderline All Star. Fox's baseline as a non-shooting PG is Dennis Schroder, a "meh" starter. If he shoots reasonably well, though, he could be John Wall.

Post #51 » by **165bows** » Wed May 24, 2017 7:01 pm

Gomes3PC wrote:
Green89 wrote:Fox says he's the best in the draft due to his defense and he can create his own shot better than Ball or Fultz.

I will say this - if Fox's jumper improves, he could certainly wind up the best player in the class.

In a lot of ways, the best selection order looks like Fultz at 1, then Fox and Ball at 2 and 3. Fox and DeAngelo Russell and Ball with Simmons seems a much better fit for both players and teams than the other way around.

Philly would just need a Bradley/Rozier type.

CelticsPride18 · Post #52 » by **CelticsPride18** » Wed May 24, 2017 7:08 pm

Ball is a extremely intelligent player but his handle seems so average. I feel great on ball defenders like Fox will make it very tough on him. He needs to improve that handle.

Gomes3PC · Post #53 » by **Gomes3PC** » Wed May 24, 2017 7:29 pm

165bows wrote:
Gomes3PC wrote:
Green89 wrote:Fox says he's the best in the draft due to his defense and he can create his own shot better than Ball or Fultz.

I will say this - if Fox's jumper improves, he could certainly wind up the best player in the class.

In a lot of ways, the best selection order looks like Fultz at 1, then Fox and Ball at 2 and 3. Fox and DeAngelo Russell and Ball with Simmons seems a much better fit for both players and teams than the other way around.

Philly would just need a Bradley/Rozier type.

Yeah, agreed. Last thing PHI needs is another non-shooter. And Ball's defensive questions would be mitigated with an awesome rim protector like Embiid.

Question is could Philly stomach what it takes to move up a single spot?

Celts17Pride · Post #54 » by **Celts17Pride** » Wed May 24, 2017 8:12 pm

What's funny to me is how certain most of you are that Danny Ainge is going to select Markelle Fultz. You would think you would have learned by now.

Post #55 » by **Froob** » Wed May 24, 2017 8:17 pm

ViperGTS wrote:
Froob wrote:
ViperGTS wrote:
I made a list!!

Truthfully, I don't know what these lists mean?

Post count for last thread, it's the wall of shame.

Then I didn't do near enough! Can't let the Froobster be higher on the list than myself. I gots works to do.

I'm pretty shocked I ended up that high, I usually don't post in that thread :lol:

. Guess I went nuts after we won the pick. Yeah you better get cracking.

MrClass · Post #56 » by **MrClass** » Wed May 24, 2017 8:28 pm

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rochrist · Post #57 » by **rochrist** » Wed May 24, 2017 8:52 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Marcus' skill/player development has actually pretty much flatlined. He's always been a big moments player.

If Lonzo follows Marcus' path - a guy who never gets over his original skill and physical limitations but contributes from day 1 - I think people are going to be pretty disappointed in him.

You think he's flat-lined, really? I see a jumper coming along slowly, developing midrange point guard skill, both in creating with little actions for teammates and for himself, improved ability to finish at the rim. Some potential as a bully-ball low-post player. Not fooled by his big game against Cleveland, that's not who he is now, maybe ever. But the Kyle Lowry comparisons as a scorer seem reasonable, a slow to develop offensive player. (I know Lowry was always a poor man's Rondo as a distributor).

Remember Ron Artest didn't average more than 15 points a game until his fifth year in the league.

I'll even see you all that and raise you, Kidd-Gilchrist still has a shot to be a two-way star.

Statistically, his jump shot is worse this year than it was his rookie year.

rochrist · Post #58 » by **rochrist** » Wed May 24, 2017 8:55 pm

soxfan2003 wrote:
How many NBA players have their 3 point shots really blocked all that often? It really is a small amount since its so risky to try to do since given the 3 free throws. Unless someone is just destroying another team with the 3 like a Curry, the goal appears to just be to try to contest the shots enough so its a miss but not even to block it if you are a typical defender at least.

If I was going to question Ball's 3 point shot, it would be such mechanics making it harder to develop into a truly great 3 point shooter but obviously a few near great shooters at least have had weird shots.

How many NBA players have Ball's 3 point shooting mechanics?

rochrist · Post #59 » by **rochrist** » Wed May 24, 2017 8:56 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:What's funny to me is how certain most of you are that Danny Ainge is going to select Markelle Fultz. You would think you would have learned by now.

He hasn't been in this position before. First pick with a consensus first pick player.

rochrist · Post #60 » by **rochrist** » Wed May 24, 2017 8:57 pm

165bows wrote:
Gomes3PC wrote:
Green89 wrote:Fox says he's the best in the draft due to his defense and he can create his own shot better than Ball or Fultz.

I will say this - if Fox's jumper improves, he could certainly wind up the best player in the class.

In a lot of ways, the best selection order looks like Fultz at 1, then Fox and Ball at 2 and 3. Fox and DeAngelo Russell and Ball with Simmons seems a much better fit for both players and teams than the other way around.

Philly would just need a Bradley/Rozier type.

I think Fox is years away from being able to really contribute. If the fans in an NBA stadium started the wave, he'd blow away. He neds substantial work on his shot too.