Welcome to Boston, Jaden Springer!

[Hal14]

FWIW, after checking out some more film, stats and scouting reports over the weekend, I think Springer is more of a 2-guard than a PG.

I think on offense, he's a 2..a secondary ball handler. And that's ok if he's not a pure PG. We have plenty of guys who can run the point. Jrue, White. Tatum runs the point quite a bit, JB does sometimes. Pritchard can run point. And in the short term, Springer can be like an emergency PG - he did it sometimes for Philly.

Clearly, they got Springer more for his defense. And on defense, he can defend opposing PG's. One scouting report I saw said that Springer can defend 1-4. I mean, we saw him block Tatum at the rim.

Clearly Brad just likes 6'3"/6'4" guards who can block shots and really get after it on D. Smart, Jrue, D-white, Avery Bradley..

With that being said, long term I think he could end up being more of a PG. You never know, guys like Smart and D-white didn't really play a whole lot at PG until they had been in the league for a few years. SGA was more of a 2 during his first few years, as was Harden. Maxey didn't really play much PG till this season. I believe Brunson was more of a 2-guard early in his career before gradually playing more at the point. Sane thing with Vanvleet - he was more of a 2 in Toronto when he played alongside Lowry..then didn't become a full-time PG till they traded Lowry.

It's tough to play PG in the NBA, run an offense, to bring the ball up vs opposing guards who are pressuring you. which is why a lot of guys start off more at the 2 and then gradually start playing more at the 1. I can see Springer possibly doing that too - especially since he's still only 21 yrs old..

With that being said, some folks on here were saying they wanted Brad to get a "big defensive guard" at the deadline. A guard with some size, some strength, some athleticism, who can defend and not get hunted like Pritchard does. I think Springer is that guy.

[LewisnotMiller]

Jaden locking up Harden in the Finals will be legendary.

He's got a way to go in order to reach James Harden's level as a lockdown playoffs defender. He regularly shuts down that Harden fella...

[Dogen]

Jaden got rooked in the Washington game. Refs handing him fouls like candy. I think the mood was like, "Hey, there's no need to lock up players tonight. Hit your threes, enjoy the home crowd at an away game, and get on the bus."

Springer looked lost at times with the Celtics plays, and mainly stood in the corner on offense, which is not the best use of him. But he was OK at times in the open court, the skills are there he just needs to slow down and get into his rhythm.

Diagnosis: trying too hard, and not ready for a flowing three-ball type game. Remedy: more minutes against Detroit, where his bad boy persona will be more appreciated.

[31to6]

I'm not seeing anything to get me interested, yet.
His offensive game reminds me of Semi Ojelye playing the 2, which is not a compliment.

[Dogen]

I'm not seeing anything to get me interested, yet.
His offensive game reminds me of Semi Ojelye playing the 2, which is not a compliment.

Watching him drift to the corner and make some odd reaches on defense reminded me a bit of Romeo Langford, and that is NOT a compliment.

So it was a disappointing outing for his first real Celtics minutes, but it's good to know where he is on the development chart. Joe's sets are going to take some time. Pritchard, for example, was racking up the assists last night (very little resistance of course) and he's made great strides in getting to the right spots quickly. Much better than even a few months ago.

Springer's skill set is not ideal for a team that likes to move the ball to find an open three point shooter, and that may be a defining aspect of his career if he doesn't develop a shot. But Brad really likes him apparently, and he could at least turn into a defensive specialist if he can get the 3 part of the 3 and D down.

He needs more court time. May not get it this season, I hope Joe is working with him and encouraging him to stay ready. The guy is really just what the team needs in an impact player off the bench if he can take that next step. For the remaining games, I'd like to see the team give him the ball and let him be aggressive to the hoop at times, instead of camping out in the corner. Of course, other players have been waiting int he wings for that opportunity longer, like Oshae and Svi.

Once he gets his rhythm, learns the motions, and settles down, we'll start to see more of his good qualities.

[Hal14]

I'm not seeing anything to get me interested, yet.
His offensive game reminds me of Semi Ojelye playing the 2, which is not a compliment.

We didn't get him for his offense.

He's 21 yrs old. Still getting acclimated to a new team, learning the system, learning the sets, schemes, learning where he needs to be, etc. while coming off an injury. And we've only seen him in a few games during garbage time.

I'm not really reading deeply at all into the mins he has played so far for us.

[31to6]

Dogen and Hal14 just wrote posts expressing optimism about Springer developing. And I respect that -- it could happen. The main things he has going for him are his youth, and his film guarding Steph and Luka. Worth a 2nd rounder, IMO, so I'm not mad about the trade, just hope to see (or hear) something that gives me more hope some time.

[sam_I_am]

Dogen and Hal14 just wrote posts expressing optimism about Springer developing. And I respect that -- it could happen. The main things he has going for him are his youth, and his film guarding Steph and Luka. Worth a 2nd rounder, IMO, so I'm not mad about the trade, just hope to see (or hear) something that gives me more hope some time.

I’m very optimistic that his $4 million dollar option plus a pick will be really valuable to Celtics this off season.

[brackdan70]

Dogen and Hal14 just wrote posts expressing optimism about Springer developing. And I respect that -- it could happen. The main things he has going for him are his youth, and his film guarding Steph and Luka. Worth a 2nd rounder, IMO, so I'm not mad about the trade, just hope to see (or hear) something that gives me more hope some time.

I’m very optimistic that his $4 million dollar option plus a pick will be really valuable to Celtics this off season.

I don’t think it’s an option.
Regardless I’d love to keep him

[31to6]

Dogen and Hal14 just wrote posts expressing optimism about Springer developing. And I respect that -- it could happen. The main things he has going for him are his youth, and his film guarding Steph and Luka. Worth a 2nd rounder, IMO, so I'm not mad about the trade, just hope to see (or hear) something that gives me more hope some time.

I’m very optimistic that his $4 million dollar option plus a pick will be really valuable to Celtics this off season.

I don’t think it’s an option.
Regardless I’d love to keep him

Are 2nd apron teams allowed to trade one or more players with one or more picks?

[Dogen]

Dogen and Hal14 just wrote posts expressing optimism about Springer developing. And I respect that -- it could happen. The main things he has going for him are his youth, and his film guarding Steph and Luka. Worth a 2nd rounder, IMO, so I'm not mad about the trade, just hope to see (or hear) something that gives me more hope some time.

I’m very optimistic that his $4 million dollar option plus a pick will be really valuable to Celtics this off season.

Well, not a lot of love for Springer here yet, and frankly the limited minutes he's gotten haven't done much to make his case beyond a spot on the bench and summer contract option. However, I think Brad was being straightforward when he said the team has had interest in Jaden since his draft.

As the signing was totally out of left field from what I was expecting, I watched a lot of video of Springer and think the diamond-in-the-rough narrative has some legitimacy.

There was a play in the Washington game where Springer started dribbling up the court under the Washington basket but fumbled it and the Washington player took it back and went up to score. It was not a good play for Springer, but what was interesting is how fast and how high he moved off of two feet to contest the shot above the rim. He's got speed and power that is quite elite.

My bet is that he'll stick next year unless there is some amazing deal and his contract is needed as ballast.

[brackdan70]

I’m very optimistic that his $4 million dollar option plus a pick will be really valuable to Celtics this off season.

I don’t think it’s an option.
Regardless I’d love to keep him

Are 2nd apron teams allowed to trade one or more players with one or more picks?

Oh I think so. I was referring to his Contract. I think next year is fully guaranteed rather than option.

[31to6]

I don’t think it’s an option.
Regardless I’d love to keep him

Are 2nd apron teams allowed to trade one or more players with one or more picks?

Oh I think so. I was referring to his Contract. I think next year is fully guaranteed rather than option.

Yes, Springer's $4M next season is guaranteed. I understood what you wrote and my question was more for Sam and/or any cap-ologists -- which I guess now needs to be 'apron-ologists'!

[Curmudgeon]

He has an NBA body already and he doesn't back down on defense. He's just raw. Really raw.

[Hal14]

Dogen and Hal14 just wrote posts expressing optimism about Springer developing. And I respect that -- it could happen. The main things he has going for him are his youth, and his film guarding Steph and Luka. Worth a 2nd rounder, IMO, so I'm not mad about the trade, just hope to see (or hear) something that gives me more hope some time.

Be patient - it might not be till next season..

Most Celtics fans hated the D-white trade and thought he was the worst shooter in the league when we first got him - it wasn't until had a full offseason and training camp with the team before we started to see the real derrick.

I'm obviously not saying Springer is gonna be as good as Derrick. Just saying that we might not see the real Springer till next season.

Nobody thought Kornet was any good until his 3rd season in Boston. Hauser didn't do anything until his 2nd season in Boston and we're just now (in his 3rd season, at age 26) starting to see what he's really capable of. Brissett wasn't really hitting his groove here until around the halfway point of this season - and that was after a full offseason and training camp with Boston.

[165bows]

Are 2nd apron teams allowed to trade one or more players with one or more picks?

Oh I think so. I was referring to his Contract. I think next year is fully guaranteed rather than option.

Yes, Springer's $4M next season is guaranteed. I understood what you wrote and my question was more for Sam and/or any cap-ologists -- which I guess now needs to be 'apron-ologists'!

He can only go out by himself, so they'd be limited to the $4M and under group. Which is not a compelling group outside of a couple random guys like Isaiah Joe.

[brackdan70]

Oh I think so. I was referring to his Contract. I think next year is fully guaranteed rather than option.

Yes, Springer's $4M next season is guaranteed. I understood what you wrote and my question was more for Sam and/or any cap-ologists -- which I guess now needs to be 'apron-ologists'!

He can only go out by himself, so they'd be limited to the $4M and under group. Which is not a compelling group outside of a couple random guys like Isaiah Joe.

I haven’t conferred with my legal team but I think you can include picks with players and still trade multiple players for a single player as long as you take back same or less than what is going out… am I misinterpreting?
“Salaries cannot be aggregated or combined to trade for a single player making more money.”

[31to6]

Dogen and Hal14 just wrote posts expressing optimism about Springer developing. And I respect that -- it could happen. The main things he has going for him are his youth, and his film guarding Steph and Luka. Worth a 2nd rounder, IMO, so I'm not mad about the trade, just hope to see (or hear) something that gives me more hope some time.

Be patient - it might not be till next season..

Most Celtics fans hated the D-white trade and thought he was the worst shooter in the league when we first got him - it wasn't until had a full offseason and training camp with the team before we started to see the real derrick.

I'm obviously not saying Springer is gonna be as good as Derrick. Just saying that we might not see the real Springer till next season.

No need to bring DWhite into this, who was a known quality quantity coming to BOS. Some fans on this board remained oblivious to how good he was until how good he was started getting national attention.

But keep it simple and look at the two guys acquired at the deadline this year:
Xavier Tillman and he has come in, carved out a role, and is posting some great advanced stats, e.g., W/S per 48 of 0.18, BPM 0.7 (1.8 defensively), TS% of 0.65(!), and PER of 14.8 in 7 games (108 minutes) with Boston. He is 25.2 years old.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tillmxa01.html#all_advanced-playoffs_advanced

Jaden Springer has come in, looked like Rick Fox with his hair grown out a bit (this intrigues me, I loved BOS Rick Fox), and shown nothing yet. Nine games, just 38 minutes, and he's putting up a *negative* WS/48 (-0.15), a BPM of -16.3 (lol; 'only' -2.1 defensively:), a TS% of 0.27 (ack), and a *negative* PER, that value is -2.2. My friend, newly reformed so as to be less combative, those numbers -- while garbage time, and few -- are pure butt cheeks. Yes he's only 21.5 years old, so am I giving up on him? No. But I can maybe see why PHI was eager to move him for a second at the deadline.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sprinja01.html#all_advanced-playoffs_advanced

Take a good player and add him into a good team and he takes to it like a fish to water, like Tillman.
Take a guy from my rec league (especially the teams that blow mine out) and add him to the Celtics and he might look sort of like Jaden Springer.

Could Springer learn the system, and how to play offense, and get good? Sure. Could he learn the system, not develop offensively, and still be somewhat useful? Also sure. And since he has a guaranteed $4M next season, we'll probably get to ponder if it's happening for another 11 -- 16 months.

But just because something *might* happen doesn't mean it *will* happen. Here are wing prospects in Boston's system I like more than Springer: Jordan Walsh and Juhann Begarin. I'm sure everyone agrees with me on the first, and most people are like WTF? on the second, but whatever: those guys have shown me something that made me buy plots on their islands. I'm not sure where Springer Island is. It might be under water.

Maybe I'm going about this the total wrong way. My first post should have just been:

Does anyone like Jaden Springer yet? Any Springer Island investors out there? I've got Hal down as likely the first.

[31to6]

Specifically, I LOVE seeing good defense, and hence fell for Tillman right away. I have yet to see Springer do anything defensively. Not saying "get a steal", just -- anything. He has a nice body and is in a defensive stance, but seems to move at the same RPMs and with the same lack of force as Dalano Banton did in Boston. He played 16 minutes last night, and was a ghost out there, even for a fan just eager to get excited about how he might be sliding with a guy or getting a good angle.

[31to6]

GRRRR THE CELTICS ARE SO GOOD THAT I'M NOT SURE I SEE ANY POTENTIAL IN THEIR 14TH MAN SO ANGRY
peace, all, and if I'm wrong please tell me so very succinctly:)