Free Agent & Trade Thread, 2024-25

[Memokerobi]

Why not do this like 10 days ago

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[Celts17Pride]

Why not do this like 10 days ago

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Ainge sticking it to the Celtics

[Celts17Pride]

At this point I'm all for signing Queta for this year and next year. The year the Celtics went to the NBA Finals they played 24 playoff games. It's a pretty safe bet that if the play 25 playoff games this year Porzingis is probably going to miss at least 4-5 of those games. Might as well have Horford, Kornet, Queta and Tillman on the roster to give Mazzulla some options.

[Dogen]

Spo finds playing time for players coming in because Butler and Herro miss games from time to time.

And the Heat lost a bunch of players from that 2022 squad that got beat by the Cs.

Nevertheless, they have backcourt roster of Tyler Herro, Terry Rozier, Jaime Jaquez Jr., Delon Wright, Patty Mills, Josh Richardson

That's a lot of depth, but not many minutes to go around. The C's could have given Mills minutes.

[Dogen]

At this point I'm all for signing Queta for this year and next year. The year the Celtics went to the NBA Finals they played 24 playoff games. It's a pretty safe bet that if the play 25 playoff games this year Porzingis is probably going to miss at least 4-5 of those games. Might as well have Horford, Kornet, Queta and Tillman on the roster to give Mazzulla some options.

Bring on the Portuguese Parrish!

[Green89]

Spo finds playing time for players coming in because Butler and Herro miss games from time to time.

And the Heat lost a bunch of players from that 2022 squad that got beat by the Cs.

Nevertheless, they have backcourt roster of Tyler Herro, Terry Rozier, Jaime Jaquez Jr., Delon Wright, Patty Mills, Josh Richardson

That's a lot of depth, but not many minutes to go around. The C's could have given Mills minutes.

Richardson is out for the season with a shoulder tear.

[Hal14]

Spo finds playing time for players coming in because Butler and Herro miss games from time to time.

And the Heat lost a bunch of players from that 2022 squad that got beat by the Cs.

Nevertheless, they have backcourt roster of Tyler Herro, Terry Rozier, Jaime Jaquez Jr., Delon Wright, Patty Mills, Josh Richardson

That's a lot of depth, but not many minutes to go around. The C's could have given Mills minutes.

J-rich is done for the year..and Jaquez is more of a wing/forward.

And Delon and Patty are pretty much the closest thing to being an actual PG on their roster. Rozier is more of a 2..he just looks for his own shot - like Herro.

[Dogen]

Spo finds playing time for players coming in because Butler and Herro miss games from time to time.

And the Heat lost a bunch of players from that 2022 squad that got beat by the Cs.

Nevertheless, they have backcourt roster of Tyler Herro, Terry Rozier, Jaime Jaquez Jr., Delon Wright, Patty Mills, Josh Richardson

That's a lot of depth, but not many minutes to go around. The C's could have given Mills minutes.

Richardson is out for the season with a shoulder tear.

Ah, right. That changes things.

[Dogen]

Spo finds playing time for players coming in because Butler and Herro miss games from time to time.

And the Heat lost a bunch of players from that 2022 squad that got beat by the Cs.

Nevertheless, they have backcourt roster of Tyler Herro, Terry Rozier, Jaime Jaquez Jr., Delon Wright, Patty Mills, Josh Richardson

That's a lot of depth, but not many minutes to go around. The C's could have given Mills minutes.

J-rich is done for the year..and Jaquez is more of a wing/forward.

And Delon and Patty are pretty much the closest thing to being an actual PG on their roster. Rozier is more of a 2..he just looks for his own shot - like Herro.

And as good as Jaquez is, he is also a rookie. Also forgot about Josh being out.

So yeah, Herro and Rozier are more like ball-handling 2 guards. With Wright and Mills, that's 4 players.

I can see it. Good moves by Pat the Rat. I don't like to think Miami has any growing hope of beating us this year, but I can see why those guys would sign there.

OTOH, Porter Jr. was there for the getting, and he ends up not eligible for playoffs now. Pat the Rat and Danny the Snake. Not sure why Ainge didn't let him go by March 1.

I wasn't that big on Porter though. Time to sign Queta and bring this ship to the promised land.

[Parliament10]

Why not do this like 10 days ago

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Ainge sticking it to the Celtics

Yeah, what's going on there? He had to be waived by March 1st to play for another team in the Playoffs.
That's really weird.

[shackles10]

Why not do this like 10 days ago

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Strategic perhaps? If he doesn’t play or at least get picked up on a contenders roster there’s at least the mystery of “can he help a contender” this off season during free agency. If he gets picked up and doesn’t play or can’t play the gig is up on his career.

[zoyathedestroya]

That's why he got waived after March 1 deadline.

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Enjoy retirement, OPJ! Injuries really took their toll on him, unfortunately..

Let's just sign Queta to the last roster spot..no other options are any better..

[Celts17Pride]

That's why he got waived after March 1 deadline.

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I told everyone here about 100 times he couldn’t play anymore. Good decision on his part

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[RickyDizzle]

Banton scores 30 the other night and generally filling g the stat sheet in Portland. I still like him overall as a player and as a jack of all trades role player better than Springer. Springer they gave up draft capital to acquire too...

[Smart2Nesmith43]

Banton scores 30 the other night and generally filling g the stat sheet in Portland. I still like him overall as a player and as a jack of all trades role player better than Springer. Springer they gave up draft capital to acquire too...

Springer is 21 now and has been on an NBA roster for a while. At that age, Banton was scoring less than 10 points per game for Nebraska. So Springer is clearly ahead in his development at that point and has more upside. But yeah, if they weren't going to do anything with the last roster spot, they should have just kept Banton.

[Dogen]

Banton scores 30 the other night and generally filling g the stat sheet in Portland. I still like him overall as a player and as a jack of all trades role player better than Springer. Springer they gave up draft capital to acquire too...

Springer is 21 now and has been on an NBA roster for a while. At that age, Banton was scoring less than 10 points per game for Nebraska. So Springer is clearly ahead in his development at that point and has more upside. But yeah, if they weren't going to do anything with the last roster spot, they should have just kept Banton.

Banton is getting enough playing time in Portland to show more of what he can do, but his shooting in Boston wasn't string enough to warrant playing time for the Celtics. However, Springer is in the same boat more or less, in that he doesn't shoot the ball well.

Overall, I think Springer is going to be the better prospect. Like Banton, he needs some playing time but I doubt Joe will give him many minutes. I hope that as the Celtics secure HCA, Joe will go to the bench earlier and more frequently in games. Right now, the focus is on solidifying the rotation with Sam, Payton, Luke. Tillman and Brissett in spots.

I'm not sure if Queta how get that last roster spot as the frontcourt is quite full. For the "14th" spot though, Springer has a chance to move into the rotation based on his on-ball defense, intensity, and athleticism, which will prove to be better than what Banton was offering, imo, if he gets a chance.

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That's why he got waived after March 1 deadline.

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I told everyone here about 100 times he couldn’t play anymore. Good decision on his part

Yes, you were right about that and you were right about Brogdon getting traded. You don't have to rub it in though

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Banton scores 30 the other night and generally filling g the stat sheet in Portland. I still like him overall as a player and as a jack of all trades role player better than Springer.

They're both young guys on cheap contracts.

Banton wasn't getting minutes here so no point in keeping him around.

They gave Banton a shot. Kept him around for over half a season..but it wasn't working out..he wasn't getting any minutes so they decided to try someone else and kick the tires on Springer.

Banton might seem like a jack of all trades role player. But while he does a little bit of everything, I'm not sure if he does anything well enough to actually contribute on a team with championship aspirations. On offense, shooting is obviously an issue. And while he can get downhill and get into the paint nearly at will, his ability to finish at the rim was bad here. So that negates his ability to pressure the rim - if he can't finish at the rim.

And on D, he was decent. But also a bit foul-prone..and really skinny/lacking muscle for a 6'8" guy so often times dudes would score in the paint on him easily and/or grab offensive boards over him easily.

Bottom line, he's a nice end of bench guy to have since there's some upside you can try to develop. But he turns 25 early next season so how much upside is really there? We gave him a shot, it didn't work out, so why not try someone else in that spot? If you're gonna have an end of the bench guy who is a young guy with some upside to develop, why not get a guy who is 3 years younger than Banton? Which Springer is.

After we traded for Springer, Mazzulla was interviewed about it and he referred to Springer as a "specialist". His quote implied that he likes to have specialists on the bench. Like, you have to be really good at multiple things if you want to be star (or even a starter). But to be a role player off the bench, you just have to be a specialist at 1 thing. Hauser and Pritchard are shooting specialists, Al is 3&D. Brissett is hustle/energy/rebounding specialist.

Banton does not have that 1 thing he truly excels at. Springer does. POA defense, being able to really dig in on D, defend guys like Trae, Steph, Doncic, Brunson, Maxey, Haliburton, Mitchell, Garland, Lamelo, Jamal Murray, etc. Give those guys hell and even show some flashes of help side rim protection. Come in for a few mins, play really tough D and come out. Springer is a specialist. We haven't really seen him in that role yet for Boston but he did it for Philly a decent amount.

Brad said after the trade that Springer "is an athlete who can play athletically in the playoffs". No one in the Celtics org ever said anything like that about Banton - and he's 3 yrs older. Banton's athleticism is decent but not on Springer's level. Springer is much stronger too.

Lastly, Banton had issues in Boston a little bit with his motor not being quite high enough, not going hard enough for loose balls/rebounds. If you're an end of the bench guy who's trying to impress the coaches and earn more mins, that's not good. And it does not seem to be an issue for Springer - especially with how he got on the floor and really hustled late in the game last night.

Springer they gave up draft capital to acquire too...

We only gave up 1 2nd round pick for Springer. That's nothing. Brad had a million 2nd rounders stashed up.

Also, we acquired a 2nd round pick by trading away Banton. So the picks don't really matter. We traded 1 to get Springer and acquired 1 for Banton.