Adam Dunn vs Prince Fielder vs Ryan Howard

a-rod · Post #1 » by **a-rod** » Sun Dec 9, 2007 11:59 pm

Who's Better now and in the future?

34Celtic · Post #2 » by **34Celtic** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:19 am

I'll take Prince across the board...the other two strike out way too much for my liking.

SportsWorld · Post #3 » by **SportsWorld** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:41 am

Prince because Howard and Dunn strike out way too much.

bigboy1234 · Post #4 » by **bigboy1234** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:09 am

Striking out really doesn't matter.

That being said I would rank them Fielder, Howard, Dunn on both questions. Although I think Howard may have a better season next year, but it'll be close.

mets87 · Post #5 » by **mets87** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:31 am

bigboy1234 wrote:Striking out really doesn't matter.

that's insane! ryan howard's strikeouts were detrimental to an already anemic philly offense--i can't keep a straight face. who the hell cares about strikeouts? they're better than GIDP.

34Celtic · Post #6 » by **34Celtic** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:26 pm

Ever heard of a productive out BigBoy? Or the fact that the more you put a ball into play, the better chance you have at getting on base?

Post #7 » by **Basketball Jesus** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:05 pm

34Celtic wrote:Ever heard of a productive out BigBoy? Or the fact that the more you put a ball into play, the better chance you have at getting on base?

Also, the better chance to GIDP.

macballer30 · Post #8 » by **macballer30** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:37 pm

Prince is my vote. His season last year was unreal and he's the youngest of the group.

Dunn shouldn't even be in the mix with those two, they are head and shoulders above him as players.

hermes · Post #9 » by **hermes** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:46 pm

prince
howard
dunn

Jakespeare · Post #10 » by **Jakespeare** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:17 pm

Prince. The other guys K too much.

Jakespeare · Post #11 » by **Jakespeare** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:20 pm

Basketball Jesus wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Also, the better chance to GIDP.

Well depending on the situation, a GIDP can also produce a run. Say there are men on the corners with no outs. Then the batter grounds to the 2B; chances are he is going to throw to second trying to get a DP going (hence the GIDP), but because there are no outs, the man on third is able score as any throw would be late after the DP.

Post #12 » by **Bleeding Green** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:11 am

And this will contribute one extra run every season.

The answer is Prince Fielder. He's got 4 years on the other guys, which is huge for big guys with old-player skills.

Jakespeare · Post #13 » by **Jakespeare** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:43 am

Bleeding Green wrote:And this will contribute one extra run every season.

The answer is Prince Fielder. He's got 4 years on the other guys, which is huge for big guys with old-player skills.

Are you saying the scenario I presented only happens once a season?

34Celtic · Post #14 » by **34Celtic** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:34 pm

Just for arguements sake, take a look at last years GIDP numbers.....

Dunn - 12
Prince - 9
Howard - 13

Post #15 » by **Bleeding Green** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:07 pm

Mr. Wonderful wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Are you saying the scenario I presented only happens once a season?

I don't know how often it happens, but data suggests that grounding into the DP actually results in fewer runs than if the guy just struck out like an **** and went back to the bench.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/stati ... remium.php

Scenario: Man on first and third with no outs.

If you strike out, you have a man on first and third with one out. From here you are expected to score 1.1830 runs on average.

Instead, if you ground into a double play you score a run and now you have two outs and the bases are empty. From here you are expected to score an additional 0.1075 for a total of 1.1075 runs.

There is an advantage of .0755 runs if you just strike out. A pretty insignificant amount, but an advantage nonetheless.

Outs are the most important thing in baseball. Willingly giving them up doesn't make a lot of sense except in lategame situations where a single run can make the difference between a win and a loss.

Post #16 » by **el loco** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 3:59 pm

The Reds are my team and right now Dunn and his 13 million can't buy a hit. He is hitting .083 with no HR's and 2 RBI. I don't know what he did yesterday, but on Monday he went 0-4 with 3 K's, so I would put him at the bottom of the list.

Prince
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