Robinson Cano vs. Dustin Pedroia

[Dirty Water]

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BBJ had this same conversation a few months ago, yet slightly more civilized and intelligent. I don't need to state my case for knowing stuff about baseball.

EDIT: No, after reading back on this post I will state my case. Sure, Pedroia and Cano could probably be compared through numbers. But if you watch the two play you can clearly see Cano is more talented. He has an effortless swing and can drive the ball on a line to all fields, his bat stays through the hitting zone so nicely and he keeps his hands inside the baseball. Pedroia on the other hands swings out of his butt every single time he is at the plate and the only balls he hits out of the ballpark are pitches left up and out over the plate.

Cano swings freely and effortlessly while Pedroia swings out of his ass. You sure do know your baseball.

[Basketball Jesus]

BBJ had this same conversation a few months ago, yet slightly more civilized and intelligent.

Slightly? You and I were discussing Wittgenstein compared to this petty flame war.

[mets87]

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BBJ had this same conversation a few months ago, yet slightly more civilized and intelligent. I don't need to state my case for knowing stuff about baseball.

that's fine if you think that, but just don't expect to get any respect from me. not that you want/need that, i'm just saying.

EDIT: No, after reading back on this post I will state my case. Sure, Pedroia and Cano could probably be compared through numbers. But if you watch the two play you can clearly see Cano is more talented. He has an effortless swing and can drive the ball on a line to all fields, his bat stays through the hitting zone so nicely and he keeps his hands inside the baseball. Pedroia on the other hands swings out of his butt every single time he is at the plate and the only balls he hits out of the ballpark are pitches left up and out over the plate.

that was your case for "knowing baseball"?

you let your eyes deceive you far too much. yes, there's more to baseball than JUST statistics, but you're going the direction of "**** all these new-age stats, i'll go by what the guy looks like (is he built well? is he short and fat? etc.), whether or not he can bat .300, and whether or not he's a clubhouse cancer."

i could honestly care less who's more "talented." talent doesn't guarantee performance (it definitely helps.) cano 2007 eqa: .281; pedroia: .286
their performances this season have been pretty similar. and since performance is all that matters, there you have it.


have i been too harsh on you? yes, i have. i apologize. but i have a few pet peeves as we all do.

[34Celtic]

but you're going the direction of "**** all these new-age stats, i'll go by what the guy looks like (is he built well? is he short and fat? etc.), whether or not he can bat .300, and whether or not he's a clubhouse cancer."

No, see thats not what I think. I know what a skillset is and in 95% of situations (stats...see i like stats) guys with great skillsets outperform guys with good skillsets

[meatball sub]

Where do people get this "Pedroia is a better defender than Cano" stuff? I'd give the edge to Cano since he's got better range and has a better arm. With that said these guys are going to be the two best 2b in the AL unless one or both of the following happens:

1. Chase Utley signs with an AL team. (you never know)
2. Evan Longoria plays 2b when he makes it to the show. (longshot)

[GYBE]

With that said these guys are going to be the two best 2b in the AL unless one or both of the following happens:

1. Chase Utley signs with an AL team. (you never know)
2. Evan Longoria plays 2b when he makes it to the show. (longshot)

You're assuming Brian Roberts rapidly declines then? He's been a better hitter than both and his massive steals advantage is probably more valuable than their defense.

[meatball sub]

I should've added "in a couple years" after "AL" since I see Cano and Pedroia both improving their power numbers as they enter their mid-twenties and I see Roberts sb numbers declining as he enters his 30's. Roberts is the best right now, but I feel that Cano and Pedroia are the two guys that we'll all be considering the elite 2b in the AL two years from now.

I see Cano as a .320/.380/.540 hitter in a couple years as he continues to become more patient at the plate and continues to develop his power. I think he can hit 20-25 homers eventually.

I see Pedroia as a .315/.410/.475 hitter as he adds some power, though I don't think he'll hit for as much power as Cano. Pedroia is a really patient hitter for a young player and I see him being an on-base machine.

Both guys I think will be better players than Roberts despite his advantage on the base paths.

[34Celtic]

Right, Brian Roberts a better hitter than Chase Utley

[GYBE]

We're talking about the American League...

[34Celtic]

Well I don't know if Roberts is better than Cano. As a leadoff or 2 hitter Roberts is better, down where Cano hits he is better. I guess it all depends on team need. For the record Pedroia is not as good as either of them

[KnickTerp12]

Robbie Cano
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BA OBP SLG
157 604 90 184 39 7 19 94 3 .305 .352 .487

DUSTPAN Pedroia
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BA OBP SLG
135 508 86 161 38 1 8 50 6 .317 .381 .44

You be the judge

[Bleeding Green]

Dustin on a rate basis, Cano has played more though.

[Boston's Future]

Cano's numbers are pretty awesome, considering the horrible start he got off to this year. 19/94 for a second baseman is amazing.

[34Celtic]

Dustin on a rate basis, Cano has played more though.

Whats a rate basis?

[The Rondo Show]

19/94 for a second baseman is amazing.

Not really that amazing. 19 HR's is definitely good, but the 94 RBI's are largely a product of his lineup instead of him coming up huge in situations with guys in scoring position.

Hitting behind Posada and Matsui all year (with A-Rod right in front of those 2) will always help put a guy in a lot of RBI situations...especially with Posada having the type of year he is having.

Cano with...
RISP: .287/.332/.442/.774.
RISP/2 outs: .244/.306/.462/.767.

Overall, I'd take Cano by a bit...but it's far closer than Yankees fans were saying when Cano was on his major hot streak.

[Chach]

Looks like I'm going to owe someone a beer. mahalo
~Chach~

[cmaff051]

Looks like I'm going to owe someone a beer. mahalo
~Chach~

Yes, you most definitely do owe somebody a beer.

[cmaff051]

I don't see Cano finishing this season above .300 unless he stays extremely lucky from here on out. mahalo
~Chach~

Whoops.

[34Celtic]

He was going by BABIP instead of looking at how the kid swings the stick.

[Sixerscan]

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Whats a rate basis?

BA, OBP, Slugging, OPS instead of counting stats like HRs, RBI, Runs, ect.