2021 Trade Deadline Thread

Post #1 » by **Ruzious** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:37 pm

I know this will be unpopular, but if the Braves want to compete this year, it's probably time to trade Dansby Swanson. He's a good player with a big rep - and in his prime at 27, but we need hitting, and he's not as good a hitter as his rep is. His OPS+ is just 89 this season - and 87 for his career. In the meantime, we have Orlando Arcia in AAA, where he's OPSing .915 and has always had a great defensive rep. He's twice hit 15 homers for the Brewers. Maybe the light's gone on for him offensively.

If we can get a big hitting OFer for Swanson and maybe another player, we should consider it. We were hoping for Pache and Waters to come through, but both are OPSing just around .700 for the same AAA Gwinnett team. Swanson's getting 6 mil this year and will likely get more in arbitration next year - before becoming a free agent the year after. Arcia's got a $2 mil MLB contract.

Nemesis21 · Post #2 » by **Nemesis21** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:17 pm

Ruzious wrote:I know this will be unpopular, but if the Braves want to compete this year, it's probably time to trade Dansby Swanson. He's a good player with a big rep - and in his prime at 27, but we need hitting, and he's not as good a hitter as his rep is. His OPS+ is just 89 this season - and 87 for his career. In the meantime, we have Orlando Arcia in AAA, where he's OPSing .915 and has always had a great defensive rep. He's twice hit 15 homers for the Brewers. Maybe the light's gone on for him offensively.

If we can get a big hitting OFer for Swanson and maybe another player, we should consider it. We were hoping for Pache and Waters to come through, but both are OPSing just around .700 for the same AAA Gwinnett team. Swanson's getting 6 mil this year and will likely get more in arbitration next year - before becoming a free agent the year after. Arcia's got a $2 mil MLB contract.

I have been going back and forth in regards to Swanson. You make good points and we also have Shewmake(can play SS and 3b) in the Minors. I'm all for it, if it gets us a reliable bat to put behind Freeman. I'm wondering if Ozuna's absence is part of the reason why Freddie has not put it all together this season?

Post #3 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:18 pm

Of course, I cold be overrating Arcia. He's been very inconsistent in the Majors. Maybe it's too risky to trade Dansby - at least we know what we're getting with him. Yes, I'd be a terrible GM, lol.

Nemesis21 · Post #4 » by **Nemesis21** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:00 pm

@Ruz,

What do you think about a trade package involving Swanson and Mancini?

Post #5 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:01 pm

Nemesis21 wrote:@Ruz,

What do you think about a trade package involving Swanson and Mancini?

I don't think Swanson would be a target for the O's. They're looking 2 or 3 years in the future and want to off-load even medium salary players. I definitely see Mancini being traded before the trade deadline. He hasn't been hitting well lately (.630 OPS in June), and the asking price might be going down.

Nemesis21 · Post #6 » by **Nemesis21** » Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:21 pm

Jim Bowden and Dave O' Brien, think that the Braves should go after Marte, believe he is worth the cost. He has 3 years of control left.

Nemesis21 · Post #7 » by **Nemesis21** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 11:15 am

Can't remember which website I read it at over the weekend, but it was a proposed trade for Trevor Story and Mychal Givens. It was Tucker Davidson, Sean Newcomb, Victor Vodnik and Brendan Shewmake for Story and Givens, with the idea to moving Riley to LF and Story to 3b.
I don't think we need to do all that, I'd keep Shewmake, add in Swanson and another mid prospect/Inciarte instead for that package. Only thing is you hope you can re-sign Story. I just think it's time to move on from Swanson.

Post #8 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Jul 7, 2021 2:56 am

Nemesis21 wrote:Jim Bowden and Dave O' Brien, think that the Braves should go after Marte, believe he is worth the cost. He has 3 years of control left.

I've always been a big Marte fan - love to have him on the Braves - assuming he hasn't lost a step or 2.

Nemesis21 · Post #9 » by **Nemesis21** » Wed Jul 7, 2021 11:32 am

Ruzious wrote:
Nemesis21 wrote:Jim Bowden and Dave O' Brien, think that the Braves should go after Marte, believe he is worth the cost. He has 3 years of control left.

I've always been a big Marte fan - love to have him on the Braves - assuming he hasn't lost a step or 2.

He's still good in CF and still has speed, but not providing power numbers in 2020 and this season. He hit 20 HRs with 72 RBI in 2018, 23 HRs and 82 RBI in 2019. Only 6 HR and 27 RBI in 2020, he has 6 HR and 18 RBI this season. Hitting .297/.400/.848 27 BB 41 Ks, 2.4 WAR.

Is his bat enough of a threat that we need behind Freeman?

Post #10 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Jul 7, 2021 12:21 pm

Nemesis21 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
Nemesis21 wrote:Jim Bowden and Dave O' Brien, think that the Braves should go after Marte, believe he is worth the cost. He has 3 years of control left.

I've always been a big Marte fan - love to have him on the Braves - assuming he hasn't lost a step or 2.

He's still good in CF and still has speed, but not providing power numbers in 2020 and this season. He hit 20 HRs with 72 RBI in 2018, 23 HRs and 82 RBI in 2019. Only 6 HR and 27 RBI in 2020, he has 6 HR and 18 RBI this season. Hitting .297/.400/.848 27 BB 41 Ks, 2.4 WAR.

Is his bat enough of a threat that we need behind Freeman?

Might be better batting in front of Freeman - with that OBP.

Nemesis21 · Post #11 » by **Nemesis21** » Wed Jul 7, 2021 2:43 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Nemesis21 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:I've always been a big Marte fan - love to have him on the Braves - assuming he hasn't lost a step or 2.

He's still good in CF and still has speed, but not providing power numbers in 2020 and this season. He hit 20 HRs with 72 RBI in 2018, 23 HRs and 82 RBI in 2019. Only 6 HR and 27 RBI in 2020, he has 6 HR and 18 RBI this season. Hitting .297/.400/.848 27 BB 41 Ks, 2.4 WAR.

Is his bat enough of a threat that we need behind Freeman?

Might be better batting in front of Freeman - with that OBP.

Good point, that would put Freeman back in the 3 hole. I just think we are so much better with a bat behind Freeman, that can put up the production that Donaldson and 2020 Ozuna provided.

Nemesis21 · Post #12 » by **Nemesis21** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:36 pm

With the Acuna Jr injury news, will the Braves become sellers? I think that they would need a few trades, to push for the playoffs. I personally would like to hold on to Morton, and I think that the Braves should call up Pache and Waters, see what they can do at MLB level.

Nemesis21 · Post #13 » by **Nemesis21** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 12:36 am

Braves trade prospect Bryce Ball for Joc Pederson.

Post #14 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:24 am

Nemesis21 wrote:Braves trade prospect Bryce Ball for Joc Pederson.

Pederson was having a terrible year, but he's had a solid career - similar to Mancini of the O's. Ball was a guy I mentioned in the past because he was a late round pick who did well - a huge 1st baseman - but he was doing poorly in the minors this year, so I really doubt he figured in the Braves plans. So, low risk trade with some potential reward - though I won't get my hopes up.

Nemesis21 · Post #15 » by **Nemesis21** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:05 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Nemesis21 wrote:Braves trade prospect Bryce Ball for Joc Pederson.

Pederson was having a terrible year, but he's had a solid career - similar to Mancini of the O's. Ball was a guy I mentioned in the past because he was a late round pick who did well - a huge 1st baseman - but he was doing poorly in the minors this year, so I really doubt he figured in the Braves plans. So, low risk trade with some potential reward - though I won't get my hopes up.

I'll take it, the Braves don't want to take on big money. It's been said that in the discussions for Pederson, the Braves didn't ask about Bryant or Kimbrel, and Heyman think's it because the Braves are looking for low cost moves.
I wanted to sign Joc in the off-season and re-sign Duvall and platoon them in LF. While his numbers aren't great, he's our best OF now at the plate, 11 HRs in 72 games.
Right now we are looking at Pederson in LF, Heredia in CF and Adriazna/Almonte/Inciarte/Arcia in RF. RF isn't looking that great, would it be better to call up Waters or Pache?
Pederson doesn't push the needle towards playoffs on his own, but if AA were able to get Gallo before Yanks, Pads and other teams and bring in a bullpen arm, maybe the Braves can secure a WC spot.

Post #16 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:25 pm

Nemesis21 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
Nemesis21 wrote:Braves trade prospect Bryce Ball for Joc Pederson.

Pederson was having a terrible year, but he's had a solid career - similar to Mancini of the O's. Ball was a guy I mentioned in the past because he was a late round pick who did well - a huge 1st baseman - but he was doing poorly in the minors this year, so I really doubt he figured in the Braves plans. So, low risk trade with some potential reward - though I won't get my hopes up.

I'll take it, the Braves don't want to take on big money. It's been said that in the discussions for Pederson, the Braves didn't ask about Bryant or Kimbrel, and Heyman think's it because the Braves are looking for low cost moves.
I wanted to sign Joc in the off-season and re-sign Duvall and platoon them in LF. While his numbers aren't great, he's our best OF now at the plate, 11 HRs in 72 games.
Right now we are looking at Pederson in LF, Heredia in CF and Adriazna/Almonte/Inciarte/Arcia in RF. RF isn't looking that great, would it be better to call up Waters or Pache?
Pederson doesn't push the needle towards playoffs on his own, but if AA were able to get Gallo before Yanks, Pads and other teams and bring in a bullpen arm, maybe the Braves can secure a WC spot.

I'll be pushing for them to make it interesting, but I just don't see them getting a WC. That OF can't hit, and if Ian Anderson is out, that's it. But I've been wrong before. :nod:

Nemesis21 · Post #17 » by **Nemesis21** » Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:39 am

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Nemesis21 · Post #18 » by **Nemesis21** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:18 pm

Atlanta Sports Talk suggest the Braves pony up prospects and trading for Jose Berrios. Berrios is under control for 2022, we don't know when we'll see Soroka next year.

I'd do Smyly, Wright, T Davidson, Touki/Newcomb/B Wilson and Trey Harris for Berrios.

Bring back Morton next year!

Post #19 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:29 pm

Nemesis21 wrote:Atlanta Sports Talk suggest the Braves pony up prospects and trading for Jose Berrios. Berrios is under control for 2022, we don't know when we'll see Soroka next year.

I'd do Smyly, Wright, T Davidson, Touki/Newcomb/B Wilson and Trey Harris for Berrios.

Bring back Morton next year!

Well, let's see where we are after the double-header tomorrow. If we're going to try to win the division, let's do this and do the deal for Marte (probably a part year rental that'll cost us one of Pache or Watters). Let's either go all in or forget about it.

Post #20 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:08 pm

3.5 games behind the Mets and 1 behind Philly. If we do well in today's double-header, it's probably time to buy.