LUKE23 wrote:I would easily take back the trade today if I could.
Assuming we would still have Greinke, I would too.
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LUKE23 wrote:I would easily take back the trade today if I could.
Bucksmaniac wrote:I'm sorry, but I'm starting to sour on Giannis
DrugBust wrote:Ask me again in October.
Bernman wrote:That's amazingly dumb to say the Brewers wouldn't have made the playoffs without Marcum or that it was worth about 7 seasons of better shots at the playoffs in the future. Marcum won 3.3 games above replacement level last season. The Brewers would have had to lose 7 more games and a play-in to not beat out the Braves for the Wild Card spot. And if they wouldn't have traded Marcum, they'd have had Lawrie instead of McGehee at 3rd base for most of the year. McGehee had a -1 WAR while Lawrie's was 2.8, in spite of Lawrie not being up for up for much of the year and suffering injuries he wouldn't necessarily have in Milwaukee. And if Marcum wasn't acquired, the Brewers would have probably signed Capuano, who sported a 1.7 WAR. With Lawrie and Capuano/alternative there's no way in hell the Brewers would have lost 7+1 more games, and in all likelihood would have fared better in the playoffs without Marcum single-handedly losing 3 games and Lawrie adding punch to the lineup. At this point the trade looks atrocious. There's no way to spin it.
That includes looking at the Brewers' trades of prospects for veteran pitchers in combination like emunney argued. They're all independent. General managers have different opinions on how prospects will pan out. It's not random. Lawrie was a stud prospect given his success for his age relative to levels. He shouldn't have been relinquished for any player who wasn't special and on a multi-year contract with the possibility you'd want to extend them long-term. Marcum was far from special. If Doug would have traded Greinke for Lawrie, he'd fit all those categories, so it would have been justified, but not Marcum.
Doug had a rough 1-2 years trying to chase the playoffs, when if he didn't make many of the moves he did, the team would have made the playoffs anyways, and be set up better to make them in the future. But this offseason he was excellent, so if I'm going to criticize him, I have to praise him when deserved. Acquired an acceptable replacement for Prince in the middle of the order while not mortgaging any of the future, upgraded the D through Gonzalez, made an out of the box move in signing Aoki for depth, returned K-Rod at a reasonable price, and didn't trade nor block Gamel. Now we'll have to see how they play out, but if the team doesn't make the playoffs I doubt it will be because of them, but rather increased man games lost due to injury, or Braun isn't the same player due to the pressure or actually having been dirty.
ReddWing wrote:Being a fan of this team is tantamount to being in hell...There is no Christ that is coming to save us. Even if there was, we'd trade him for a 28 year old wing.