payitforward wrote:hands11 wrote:(Leonard and Faried played for) ...playoff teams. Those are very different situations from what the Wizards were going through.
And ...Lots of teams passed on those players. Not just the Wizards.
Had it happened (that we picked L and F), I don't believe they would have Beal now.... Would those other two players be better vs Beal, C Singleton and Ves.... Maybe... Much of that will be determined by how good Beal is. If you had to decide today, you would rather have Faried and K Lenard for sure.... But it didn't go down like that and we really don't have that crystal ball to see how it will work out.
So... this is the kind of thinking and (to me non)analysis that I'm often puzzled by, Hands.
Do you think that playoff teams exist independent of the players they draft and otherwise acquire? The opposite is true. Leonard and Faried are better than Ves and Singleton. Full stop. Better players. A better GM picks better players.
As to "we wouldn't have Beal..." this too is specious. It reduces to "it's better to be worse," which is nonsense. Moreover, who knows, we might have had to draft Andre Drummond, and who knows we might see him turn out to be a star, in which case we'd have Leonard, Faried and a star center.
And it's not "if you had to decide today...", it's not hindsight in which e.g. Faried looks like a better player than Singleton. I would have picked him *then* over Singleton. In a minute. I didn't like Vesely then either. I would have picked Leonard w/ a sense of disappointment, and then I would have been delighted by how he showed.
Stop with your non analysis BS. Nothing to be puzzled by.
Most of what happens here is speculation. You included.
Sure there is good analysis of what players have done and some good chooses for who to draft or add. But most the trade ideas are WAGs as are projections of what players will do this year. But that's ok. We are here to do that stuff. Just get your head out of your rss thinking you aren't doing the same damn thing.
Tons of if and buts.
What I do know is we have the players we have. We have the owner we have and he isn't going anywhere. I am going to cheer for my team. Its not the team of the picks I would have made either. But I am looking forward to see them tonight and the rest of the season. I wanted Beal. We have him. I wanted them to keep the younger players. They did. I wanted Randy as the HC. He is. I wanted a few more vets, that added them.
Being a Wizards fan, that a lot more to run with then the crap I have had in past years so I'm not looking a gift horse in the mouth. I'm more positive about this build that I was with the Gil EFJ Abe build. That I am sure of.