nickforthreee wrote:Darain wrote:nickforthreee wrote:
yup hes terrible youre right. you are another one of those advanced stats guys who think chandler parsons is better than rudy gay.
Why Does Rudy gay do better than Chandler Parsons, seriosuly
can score at will, put the team on his back, come up big in clutch moments, completely take over a game. parsons is a role player. a good one yes, but a role player.
I always wonder how "scoring at will" is defined because I'm not necessarily sure that being able to shoot over people because of length is the ability to score at will. It's the ability to jack up shots at will, but if they aren't going in at a high rate, why do we consider that scoring at will? Just something I've wondered.
Also this is Rudy Gay's worst offensive season in a long time, so yes, Parsons has been just as good as him offensively (okay, better), but I'm not sure what advanced stats say he is better. He's probably a better fit for the Grizzlies this season though because Rudy has been bad, but that's different than straight up being a better player. He's overall as good as the worst version of Rudy Gay that we've seen since what, 08-09? But that's not a fair comparison of who's "better", though it could work for who is playing better so far this year.
mid-post wrote:phx#7 wrote:The people who think he's trash only feel that way because of his contract. If he were making half of what he is I think most people would think well of him. However with him making 18mil per and producing the way he is I certainly view him as a net negative.
I think that's fair, but it also needs to be pointed out that he's in a career low shooting slump right now. So you have people piling on trying to claim Nicolas Batum is better. I doubt he ever lives up to the contract, but it only has a couple more years on it, so as a Grizz fan I'm willing to not be too angry about it. I sort of think of it as small market club loyalty tax to get him to stick around after his contract is up. As messed up as it is, small markets do have to overpay to retain popular players, and the decision to sign him was as much a marketing thing for the city as it was for basketball reasons. So if he just bounces after getting a fair offer at the end of this contract, I'll be pissed.
Doctor MJ wrote:Gay's overrated in basically the exact same way Johnson was. This would be making almost exactly the same mistake over again.
This I agree with. But Johnson's contract is still worse.
While Parsons I don't see any real argument for being better, Batum is a different story. I could see one being made here because Batum I feel is a little better putting the ball on the floor and getting to the basket, and also as a defender (acknowledging that he has been overrated on defense). Rudy Gay's scoring ability has always been slightly overrated. He's been one of those fake 20 PPG scorers that can give you 20 PPG in about 40 minutes, but per 36 minutes, he's been an 18 PPG guy for 5 seasons now on .527 TS%. He rebounds well, but the rest of his all-round game isn't impressive. Batum has been a 16 PPG scorer per 36 minutes the past two seasons on .574 TS%, and this season he's at 15-5-4 per 36 and making 2.4/6.5 three's and only gets to the line a little less.
Batum is a more positive player on offense outside of the ability to isolate one on one and shoot over defenders, and it's not like Gay is really efficient at doing that. Over multiple games, the guy who is more efficient wins you more games even though in a singular one possession event, if you put both Gay and Batum in isolation to win a game, Gay can maybe get more shots over his defender. Sadly too many NBA fans think that's the most important thing, it has it's importance, but it isn't near where some place it. If you then think that Batum is better defensively, then his current season is as good or better than anything Rudy has done even though he's scoring less.