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pacers are better without granger. he's an addition by subtraction type player.
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Nuntius wrote:Thugger HBC wrote:Played more games too, that's why they have more losses.
So, that means that they will have more rest towards the end of the season
It doesn't change the fact that the Pacers are 13 games over .500 while the Knicks are 12 games over .500
Please stop twisting yourself into a pretzel to rationalize in your own mind that the Knicks are better - or just as good as Indiana. We are not.
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Benedict Cumberbatch (Star Trek) to play both Chicago and Indiana quoting, "I am better...at every thing."
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HawthorneWingo wrote:Please stop twisting yourself into a pretzel to rationalize in your own mind that the Knicks are better - or just as good as Indiana. We are not.
Woot?
I'm a Pacers fan, my friend.
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Leaguepass wrote:Bump.....just to remind some guys....this "playoff run" and it's ending vs. Indy was very easy to predict if you aren't still brainwashed by that small ball bull.
Kenny Smith said it last night.
The playoffs, often times, is not about who's "better". It's about matchups and who plays the best in the 7 game series.
It's not entirely about being "better".
Fact of the matter is that the Heat smash EVERYONE with a healthy Wade and the Knicks are still the 2nd best team in the East they play to their potential, but that's a sketchy proposition when one of your primary weapons is a hot/cold guy.
What do I care...it's rigged anyway
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StephNYKurry wrote:Leaguepass wrote:Bump.....just to remind some guys....this "playoff run" and it's ending vs. Indy was very easy to predict if you aren't still brainwashed by that small ball bull.
Kenny Smith said it last night.
The playoffs, often times, is not about who's "better". It's about matchups and who plays the best in the 7 game series.
It's not entirely about being "better".
Fact of the matter is that the Heat smash EVERYONE with a healthy Wade and the Knicks are still the 2nd best team in the East they play to their potential, but that's a sketchy proposition when one of your primary weapons is a hot/cold guy.
95% of the time playing defense,controlling the boards,scoring in the paint,not settling for jumpers,getting to the FT line is gonna win the playoffs. Woodson tried to disprove that through his small ball bull philosophy and got completely destroyed by Vogel and his right approach. If anyone thinks this is just some sort of weird coincidence he needs his head checked because playing iso 90% of the time, while giving up a double digit margin on the boards and shooting half the FTs that your opposition shoots is gonna make you lose a series. If the Knicks' coaches and FO truly think the same way some fans think then we're gonna be in for another dissapointing playoffs next season.
If our current Knick team plays 10 playoff series vs. the current Pacers (meaning we play our small ball crap)---the Pacers will remain victorious 9 out of 10 times.
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The scary part about the Pacers is they really dont have a bench.
They could roll Granger out as a sixth man or trade his expirer for depth.
That's pretty scary, not even to mention how young they are.
They could roll Granger out as a sixth man or trade his expirer for depth.
That's pretty scary, not even to mention how young they are.
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Thugger HBC wrote:The scary part about the Pacers is they really dont have a bench.
They could roll Granger out as a sixth man or trade his expirer for depth.
That's pretty scary, not even to mention how young they are.
a lot of things can happen over the course of a summer and the season
NY just needs to focus on themselves and not worry about other teams, we know the east will be good next year
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Pharmcat wrote:Thugger HBC wrote:The scary part about the Pacers is they really dont have a bench.
They could roll Granger out as a sixth man or trade his expirer for depth.
That's pretty scary, not even to mention how young they are.
a lot of things can happen over the course of a summer and the season
NY just needs to focus on themselves and not worry about other teams, we know the east will be good next year
Makes sense, but not realistic....teams base their rosters according to the landscape.
Knicks were built for one team, but were vulnerable to one in the path.
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Thugger HBC wrote:Pharmcat wrote:Thugger HBC wrote:The scary part about the Pacers is they really dont have a bench.
They could roll Granger out as a sixth man or trade his expirer for depth.
That's pretty scary, not even to mention how young they are.
a lot of things can happen over the course of a summer and the season
NY just needs to focus on themselves and not worry about other teams, we know the east will be good next year
Makes sense, but not realistic....teams base their rosters according to the landscape.
Knicks were built for one team, but were vulnerable to one in the path.
what if West leaves IND?
I just dont see how a team can plan for all of the east PO teams
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Leaguepass wrote:StephNYKurry wrote:Leaguepass wrote:Bump.....just to remind some guys....this "playoff run" and it's ending vs. Indy was very easy to predict if you aren't still brainwashed by that small ball bull.
Kenny Smith said it last night.
The playoffs, often times, is not about who's "better". It's about matchups and who plays the best in the 7 game series.
It's not entirely about being "better".
Fact of the matter is that the Heat smash EVERYONE with a healthy Wade and the Knicks are still the 2nd best team in the East they play to their potential, but that's a sketchy proposition when one of your primary weapons is a hot/cold guy.
95% of the time playing defense,controlling the boards,scoring in the paint,not settling for jumpers,getting to the FT line is gonna win the playoffs. Woodson tried to disprove that through his small ball bull philosophy and got completely destroyed by Vogel and his right approach. If anyone thinks this is just some sort of weird coincidence he needs his head checked because playing iso 90% of the time, while giving up a double digit margin on the boards and shooting half the FTs that your opposition shoots is gonna make you lose a series. If the Knicks' coaches and FO truly think the same way some fans think then we're gonna be in for another dissapointing playoffs next season.
If our current Knick team plays 10 playoff series vs. the current Pacers (meaning we play our small ball crap)---the Pacers will remain victorious 9 out of 10 times.
My goodness...could you please stop spit shining Vogel?
They got rather lucky to run into the ghost of Dwyane Wade and Jay Dar Dar instead of JR.
There is no "philosophy" that wins more than others.
Get better players. Play better when the moment calls for your best. That's all.
The rest is fan rhetoric on how they like to see basketball played.
What do I care...it's rigged anyway
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Thugger HBC wrote:Pharmcat wrote:Thugger HBC wrote:The scary part about the Pacers is they really dont have a bench.
They could roll Granger out as a sixth man or trade his expirer for depth.
That's pretty scary, not even to mention how young they are.
a lot of things can happen over the course of a summer and the season
NY just needs to focus on themselves and not worry about other teams, we know the east will be good next year
Makes sense, but not realistic....teams base their rosters according to the landscape.
Knicks were built for one team, but were vulnerable to one in the path.
True, but it's hard to plan for guys simply not showing up. As down as we are on the team now, if Tyson, Kidd, or JR show up, we can beat anyone, Indiana included. Not to mention Woodson getting his head out of his arse and playing the guys that are producing.
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Pharmcat wrote:Thugger HBC wrote:Pharmcat wrote:
a lot of things can happen over the course of a summer and the season
NY just needs to focus on themselves and not worry about other teams, we know the east will be good next year
Makes sense, but not realistic....teams base their rosters according to the landscape.
Knicks were built for one team, but were vulnerable to one in the path.
what if West leaves IND?
I just dont see how a team can plan for all of the east PO teams
Here's how you plan......
Put the best team on the floor, not the best offense or the best defense....and play like one.
Although I dont expect the Pacers to beat Miami, they are giving the team with the best player on the planet a headache, and they are even showing kinks in his armor as well, but of course i do expect him to carry them over that.
And they're doing it with just plain old fashioned basketball, nothing fancy at all.
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Problem with the Pacers is,they are a small market team,with alot of BIG contracts i doubt they can afford to re-sign West,right now he earns 10mil a season.
Hibbert 3 years/14mil a year
Granger 2years/13mil a year
Hill 4years/8mil a year
Mahinmi 4years/4mil a year
Augustin contract is over after the season,he was getting 3.5mil a year this season,Hansbrough the same.
And George is gonna look for the same contract as Hibbert for sure,after this season he only has one year left.Even Stephenson is gonna look for pay-rise,after next season his contract is over.
Hibbert 3 years/14mil a year
Granger 2years/13mil a year
Hill 4years/8mil a year
Mahinmi 4years/4mil a year
Augustin contract is over after the season,he was getting 3.5mil a year this season,Hansbrough the same.
And George is gonna look for the same contract as Hibbert for sure,after this season he only has one year left.Even Stephenson is gonna look for pay-rise,after next season his contract is over.
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StephNYKurry wrote:My goodness...could you please stop spit shining Vogel?
They got rather lucky to run into the ghost of Dwyane Wade and Jay Dar Dar instead of JR.
There is no "philosophy" that wins more than others.
Get better players. Play better when the moment calls for your best. That's all.
The rest is fan rhetoric on how they like to see basketball played.
hm...what?what has the Pacers trashing us have to do with their series vs. Miami?I don't even care about the Miami series.....what are you talking about?
And LOL at your last "point". What kind of advice is "get better players"....lol...there is no need to even address that one...
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fdr2012 wrote:GTFO. Chicago is a scrub team. The only player who would start for us is Deng, and he's not even good. The only advantage they have is the coach.
People here are delusional. Bulls lost to just about every .500 team other than us.
lol really? A starting lineup between these 2 teams would be Noah,Melo,Deng,Butler,Rose..
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I'm sick of reading h but what if JR Smith had turned up....we got lucky that Paul George didn't play to his full potential against us for starters.
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Thugger HBC wrote:Pharmcat wrote:Thugger HBC wrote:The scary part about the Pacers is they really dont have a bench.
They could roll Granger out as a sixth man or trade his expirer for depth.
That's pretty scary, not even to mention how young they are.
a lot of things can happen over the course of a summer and the season
NY just needs to focus on themselves and not worry about other teams, we know the east will be good next year
Makes sense, but not realistic....teams base their rosters according to the landscape.
Knicks were built for one team, but were vulnerable to one in the path.
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Red8911 wrote:fdr2012 wrote:GTFO. Chicago is a scrub team. The only player who would start for us is Deng, and he's not even good. The only advantage they have is the coach.
People here are delusional. Bulls lost to just about every .500 team other than us.
lol really? A starting lineup between these 2 teams would be Noah,Melo,Deng,Butler,Rose..
Yeah, that was an awful post.
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What I like about Chicago is that they are/will be a top team whose stars (or better players) don't go out of their way to be friendly and buddy buddy with other stars. Kind of a us against the rest attitude.