Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong

[hands11]

So you are either calling Doclinkin a prophet (since his thread was made in 2011) or you are supporting what I have said all along because it's 2014, there's a reason for optimism, Wall is an all star, progress and development have been made and Grunfeld is partly responsible for that seeing as how he still has a job.

The disdain you have for Grunfeld runs deep for you I see based on your profile pic, but has he really failed honestly? A young competitive team headed by an all star, up and coming promising shooting guard and looking at the playoffs is failure? Perhaps you should read up on the definition of failure because currently, it sure doesn't fit Grunfeld.

You're absolutely correct. Grunfeld has been very successful. He still has a great job, he's still drawing a FAT paycheck, and he's likely to keep that job for the foreseeable future.

The Wizards, on the other hand, have been a failure much of the time he's been in charge of the team. Third worst winning percentage during his tenure, and all that.

As for "young" -- not really. Their average age is 26.2, which ranks...15th. Right in the middle. The age of their rotation to lately is older -- 28.2 years old -- with the additions of Miller and Gooden. It'll get older yet when Nenê gets back.

Come on. Be objective. You know the core isn't old. Miller is 37 and he drags the age down. Wall and Beal are what they are building around. Otto maybe. Who knows, Randy won't play him but he was drafted to be a piece. That's their young players. AH isn't sticking around long term.

Two years ago the team was almost entirely built of young players and they are rudderless.

Now they sprinkled in some vets and Randy is leaning on them.

TA and Webster are mid aged. Gooden is what I would call well seasoned, not old. He should be a real nice cheap piece next year. A solid vet that can contribute for a few years.

Its Randy who refuses to play Otto and other younger players in regular spot minutes. He has also done the same with with Kevin S and Ves. Developing player other than the two man core young pieces.. Wall and Beal..is not remotely important to him. Its Wall, Beal, Record, Playoffs.

I don't mind that as a focus, but there have been minutes available to get those other players in more throughout the season then he did.

Its a team still in transition. Lets not start the debate from the beginning again about EG and his entire tenure here. It never leads to consensus and it doesn't really matter. Specially when we don't even know what position if any he will hold in a few months.

[TGW]

I think millie might be doing a kind of performance art where he's playing the role of an earnest Grunfeld supporter to elicit facts, evidence and arguments showing just how bad Grunfeld has been. Biggest clue so far: he used the word "respected" to describe Mike Wise's opinion.

Nope. Not performance art Nivek.

Why do people try to come up with this kind of take for other posters? I saw someone do it for Lyrical.

How about ... he is just posting as a fan about how he see things and he doesn't agree with the negative spin some here put on almost everything.

Nothing more. Nothing less. Not a troll. Not performance art. Just a fan that isn't as jaded as most of us here.

Oh really?

milellie111 wrote:
Ted is cheap. He wont even get us a legitimate coach. Theres plenty of qualified coaches out there but of course he doesnt want to pay. Randy Whittman is a reject and a loser and has no business leading any NBA franchise (except for the Wizards). Randy Whittman WOULD NOT be coaching or considered as a coach for any other team EXCEPT for the Wizards. From wikipedia "Wittman then served as head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers for two seasons, (1999–2001), compiling a record of 62-102.On December 8, 2008, club owner Glen Taylor fired Wittman after a 4-19 start, asking Kevin McHale to step in." Just because Whitman is a so called "tough guy disciplinarian" doesnt make him a coach. I guarantee you a good legitimate NBA coach can get more and develop vessely, booker and singleton better than someone who is not qualified. But of course, all of this starts from the top and it doesnt seem as if Ted really cares about this team being serious. Seems to me he's just another fat rich guy who was bored and wanted a hobby so he decided to buy a basketball team to play around with.

milellie111 wrote:
Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster. Not to mention our "elite" franchise savior point guard who we will most likely give a max deal to, cant shoot outside of 15 feet while other teams pgs are knocking down threes.

Sounds pretty jaded to me.

Actually, sounds more like a troll to me. But anyway, I'm done with this idiotic thread. Troll did his job and got his attention from me. Now it's over.

[hands11]

I think you are seeing what you want to see. I don't see what you are seeing.

I think what Milli has done is remind people that there are Wizards fans out there that actually enjoy the team making progress and don't project failure at every chance they get. Fans that are looking at the good things that are happening and project more to follow vs worrying about projecting negative outcomes for the vast majority of things we don't know the answer to yet. Things that will get addressed after the season.

My personal wish is that more like Milli show up here. You don't have to share his belief but a Wizards sport forum should have room for fans that celebrate the team.

This forum is full of fans that celebrate the team. Just because a fan wants EG fired doesn't mean he celebrates the team any less than you do when you complain about how Randy should be fired. Nor does it mean that they are projecting negative outcomes any more than you are when you insistently complain about Randy. Instead, you think the team could reach its full potential with new coaching, just as the EG haters think the Wizards have a better chance of reaching their full potential with a new GM.

Do you really believe that ? The forum is FULL of fans celebrating the team. Come on.

If you do, I suggest you read this forum with fresh eyes. There is a ton of negativity in here where people post in a negative manner and in a trolling manner.

As for what you said about my take on Randy. Yes. You are right. I do that. You have no argument from me there. I openly have admitted that in many recent posts if you are reading them. I told Milli how I saw things different then him and tried to explain to him where some people are coming from that post here. And I doubt he has any issue with what I said because I didn't need to attack him to explain my views as different.

[milellie111]

I think millie might be doing a kind of performance art where he's playing the role of an earnest Grunfeld supporter to elicit facts, evidence and arguments showing just how bad Grunfeld has been. Biggest clue so far: he used the word "respected" to describe Mike Wise's opinion.

Nope. Not performance art Nivek.

Why do people try to come up with this kind of take for other posters? I saw someone do it for Lyrical.

How about ... he is just posting as a fan about how he see things and he doesn't agree with the negative spin some here put on almost everything.

Nothing more. Nothing less. Not a troll. Not performance art. Just a fan that isn't as jaded as most of us here.

Oh really?

milellie111 wrote:
Ted is cheap. He wont even get us a legitimate coach. Theres plenty of qualified coaches out there but of course he doesnt want to pay. Randy Whittman is a reject and a loser and has no business leading any NBA franchise (except for the Wizards). Randy Whittman WOULD NOT be coaching or considered as a coach for any other team EXCEPT for the Wizards. From wikipedia "Wittman then served as head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers for two seasons, (1999–2001), compiling a record of 62-102.On December 8, 2008, club owner Glen Taylor fired Wittman after a 4-19 start, asking Kevin McHale to step in." Just because Whitman is a so called "tough guy disciplinarian" doesnt make him a coach. I guarantee you a good legitimate NBA coach can get more and develop vessely, booker and singleton better than someone who is not qualified. But of course, all of this starts from the top and it doesnt seem as if Ted really cares about this team being serious. Seems to me he's just another fat rich guy who was bored and wanted a hobby so he decided to buy a basketball team to play around with.

milellie111 wrote:
Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster. Not to mention our "elite" franchise savior point guard who we will most likely give a max deal to, cant shoot outside of 15 feet while other teams pgs are knocking down threes.

Sounds pretty jaded to me.

Actually, sounds more like a troll to me. But anyway, I'm done with this idiotic thread. Troll did his job and got his attention from me. Now it's over.

I see how you conveniently ignored my question to you on page 22 yet you accuse me of ignoring questions from other posters? You act as if your opinion and knowledge is so great here where in actuality the more you post, the less intelligent you come across. All you seem to do is attack and post bitter comments on EVERY subject. To me, YOU are the definition of your favorite word... TROLL

[hands11]

Grunfeld has lead this team out of those dark years.

EG has not done anything to lead this team out the dark years. The Wizards are barely out of the dark years, and they are there because they lucked into Wall and Beal.

This is so far from the truth. Take away Wall and Beal. Gortat, Ariza, Nene, Booker, Webster, Gooden and Miller are all assets on this team and the byproduct of smart GM'ing. Even Seraphin would be a contributor. All of these guys would or could be solid starters and impactful bench players on other teams so let's not act as if the only good moves Grunfeld has made is by "lucking" into Wall and Beal.

I applaud your effort in trying to communicate a nuanced position, but understand there aren't many here that will receive what you are saying that way. Its much more likely they will twist your posts, troll you, and and rehash the same stuff that is in the fire EG thread that was created just months after he was extended for two years. Hell, those people can't even except the fact that never going to happen. He was here for the contract Ted signed him for. Ted committed to two year of a rebuild with EG as GM and then he would reevaluate. Deal done. End of story.

If you came here looking to have an honest debate, sadly you aren't going to find a lot that will respectfully engage in one here. Not yet at least. Consider the warm welcome you got. There are some here that will engage you that way. Some are 50-50 that can go either way. I would ignore the rest. They are troll style posters that have very little to contribute to any conversation except in engage in pettiness and circular arguments. They never seek any common ground nor expand on a conversation in a meaningful way.

Anyway. Welcome aboard. Hopefully things do get better next year. And if they do, the board will get better as well.

But do keep in mind, there are some fans here that want them to win, they just don't want it to happen until Randy an or EG are gone so wins are a bad thing for them right now.

[montestewart]

What they post. They smile in your face, all the time they rebut your case, the EG haters.

Come on hands, no one has any problem with you predicting that EG would be extended. No matter what happens, everyone knows you predicted it. It's EG being extended that's hard to grapple with. It's not always about you. Let the others have some punch.

[ptptpt]

It's called venting out of frustration. That was a time when the team looked bad, before any Gortat trade, before Wall was an allstar etc. I never claimed Ted, Wittman or Grunfeld were perfect. Do I still think Ted is cheap? Yes. However, Grunfeld has totally redeemed himself based on the moves he's made to get this team to where it is today. This is a totally different team than last year. The problem I have with a lot of your comments are that you want the GM and Coach fired Now in the middle of a playoff season. None of you want to let the season play out and see where we go from there after the season. If the Wizards fail, then yes, some jobs should be in question however they are not on the course to fail as of now.

First question for you. Why do you think Ted is cheap?

He is cheap because he didn't splash for a big named coach that many wanted. He is cheap because of not signing high priced free agents. He's not the only owner of a team that is cheap though. In this case it has worked out well for this team. We can say that Ted knew what he was doing all along. Spending much more for a big named coach that may or may not have gotten more production from this team than Wittman would have been foolish now that we look back on it. Tell me how that worked out for the Lakers and Dantoni. As far as high priced free agents goes, I think the production we have gotten from our players on bargain contracts while not bringing in headaches such as Josh Smith, Jr Smith etc. was the right move. Again, many screamed for Ernie to trade for Monroe, go after Smith but I think we are better off.

Ted hired Flip Saunders. Not a cheap coach. He just gave Wall a large extension. I don't think he's cheap at all. But hey truce to agree to disagree here.

[Nivek]

Come on. Be objective.

Look in the **** mirror.

You know the core isn't old. Miller is 37 and he drags the age down. Wall and Beal are what they are building around. Otto maybe. Who knows, Randy won't play him but he was drafted to be a piece. That's their young players. AH isn't sticking around long term.

Two players aren't a core -- especially when neither one is anywhere near elite. Wall MIGHT get there, if he improves. Beal could get there too -- if he improves a ton. I expect them both to improve over time, but there's no certainty that either guy will be a true franchise building block.

But, those are two players. What's the rest of the rotation? Ariza is 28 and a free agent. Webster is 28 and solidly below average again. Gortat is 30. Nenê is 31. Booker is 26 and a free agent. Gooden is 32 and a free agent. Miller is 37. That's NOT a young core.

Two years ago the team was almost entirely built of young players and they are rudderless.

Now they sprinkled in some vets and Randy is leaning on.

Its Randy who refuses to play Otto and other younger players in regular spot minutes. He has also don't it with Kevin S and Ves.

Its a team still in transition. Lets not start the debate from the beginning again about EG and his entire tenure here. It never leads to consensus and it doesn't really matter. Specially when we don't even know what position if any he will hold in a few months.

What coach -- tasked with MAKING the playoffs -- would "give" minutes (and that's exactly what he'd be doing) to players performing as badly as Porter, Seraphin and Vesely? Answer: none. Not one.

[Nivek]

I think millie might be doing a kind of performance art where he's playing the role of an earnest Grunfeld supporter to elicit facts, evidence and arguments showing just how bad Grunfeld has been. Biggest clue so far: he used the word "respected" to describe Mike Wise's opinion.

Nope. Not performance art Nivek.

Why do people try to come up with this kind of take for other posters? I saw someone do it for Lyrical.

How about ... he is just posting as a fan about how he see things and he doesn't agree with the negative spin some here put on almost everything.

Nothing more. Nothing less. Not a troll. Not performance art. Just a fan that isn't as jaded as most of us here.

It was a joke, my man.

I don't mind millie, troll or not. I find him entertaining.

[hands11]

millie is right -- we should be positive. Grunfeld's last two moves were good ones. This proves Grunfeld is a GREAT general manager who will lead the Wizards to a championship.

Yo, Kev -- Kevin ---KEVIN BROOM!

Dude, you *know* he's just sucked you in with this thread, right? You're on the hook and he's reeling you into the bass boat.

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[doclinkin]

Question. Why would a retired Mod have access to that information. You didn't count all of that manually.

This will piss you off even more, they elected that even i 'the people's moderator' got the keycode to the secret forum. Here's your stats from the 'Countdown to Ernie's Firing' thread:

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[hands11]

So what if Gooden only got signed a month ago and other teams passed over him. Their loss our gain. Look at his contributions. He's won games for us and is averaging over 12 ppg and 6rpg.

As for Booker not getting in until Nene got injured, thats how the cards fall sometimes. Opportunity presents itself for the next man up. We should be thankful that we have a legitimate backup power forward to step up. Grunfeld has ensured a measure of depth.

Over the past several years, he has had a 6th pick, a 17th, an 18, and a 23rd pick in the draft, as well as several high second round picks. He also traded Kirk Hinrich for young talent, and all he has to show for it Booker, and you claim he has ensured a measure of depth.

I don't claim anything, it's based on the roster of this team. Ariza/Webster/Porter(still yet to be developed) at the small forward position. Nene/Booker/Gooden at the power forward position. Wall/Miller/Temple at the point guard position. That is very good depth.

Milli, your not following how this works.

See what you do is say everything sucks no matter what. If players are getting better or a good trade is made, doesn't matter. You find a way to frame things so everything sucks. Players getting better but the record sucks, then everything sucks. Injuries or not. Because the only thing that matters is the record so they suck. Its a fact.

If the record gets better, everything still sucks because, someone is to old. Or there was a bad draft pick made. Something. Point is, its not about the record anymore because thats fools gold. Yeah it was with only fact that mattered because but it isn't anymore. Won't last anyway.

Then when true suck happens like Maynor, then thats easy pickns . Worst ever. Everyone agrees so there is peace on the board.

But if EG cleans up his doo doo. That sucks as well because he was the one making the man poop to begin with. Should have wore Depends. And him cleaning it up sucks because the poop he created is now gone so there is less suckness to talk about. Besides, we all know we could have gotten Nate Robinson. Never mind his agency said he didn't want to go to WSH. Never let stuff like that get in the way of .. its sucks. Thats the point.

You got it now ?

[DCZards]

millie is right -- we should be positive. Grunfeld's last two moves were good ones. This proves Grunfeld is a GREAT general manager who will lead the Wizards to a championship.

Yo, Kev -- Kevin ---KEVIN BROOM!

Dude, you *know* he's just sucked you in with this thread, right? You're on the hook and he's reeling you into the bass boat.

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[doclinkin]

Yo, Kev -- Kevin ---KEVIN BROOM!

Dude, you *know* he's just sucked you in with this thread, right? You're on the hook and he's reeling you into the bass boat.

Question. Why would a retired Mod have access to that information. You didn't count all of that manually.

I believe this info is [proprietary information redacted] .

STOP TELLING THE SECRETS OF THE SECRET FORUM!!! That does it we're revoking your pass 'Zards.

[pineappleheadindc]

millie is right -- we should be positive. Grunfeld's last two moves were good ones. This proves Grunfeld is a GREAT general manager who will lead the Wizards to a championship.

Yo, Kev -- Kevin ---KEVIN BROOM!

Dude, you *know* he's just sucked you in with this thread, right? You're on the hook and he's reeling you into the bass boat.

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I don't even know where to begin......

[hands11]

Good to join us again milellie111. You have come a long way from this post last year

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Ted is cheap. He wont even get us a legitimate coach. Theres plenty of qualified coaches out there but of course he doesnt want to pay. Randy Whittman is a reject and a loser and has no business leading any NBA franchise (except for the Wizards). Randy Whittman WOULD NOT be coaching or considered as a coach for any other team EXCEPT for the Wizards. From wikipedia "Wittman then served as head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers for two seasons, (1999–2001), compiling a record of 62-102.On December 8, 2008, club owner Glen Taylor fired Wittman after a 4-19 start, asking Kevin McHale to step in." Just because Whitman is a so called "tough guy disciplinarian" doesnt make him a coach. I guarantee you a good legitimate NBA coach can get more and develop vessely, booker and singleton better than someone who is not qualified. But of course, all of this starts from the top and it doesnt seem as if Ted really cares about this team being serious. Seems to me he's just another fat rich guy who was bored and wanted a hobby so he decided to buy a basketball team to play around with.

and this:

Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster. Not to mention our "elite" franchise savior point guard who we will most likely give a max deal to, cant shoot outside of 15 feet while other teams pgs are knocking down threes.

to this:

'm enjoying this season. I enjoyed last season as well (even some games where Wall was injured). The wonderful thing about the Wizards is that you never know what to expect. Some games these guys will lay an egg against a sub-par opponent, then the next game they will blow the doors off the Miami Heat. The guys can compete, they have the talent and motivation. There are tons of fans just like me who like the direction this team is going. There are tons of fans like me who appreciate Ted Leonsis giving Ernie Grunfeld a chance to right the ship and not making a quick rash decision and perhaps bringing in some rookie GM who could do much worse. There are tons of fans like me who appreciate Ernie retaining Randy Whitman, a cheap hard working defensive minded coach who is not a big name. There are tons of fans like me who appreciate the Wizards not jumping in on every big name free agent. If you don't realize, this used to be the reputation of another Washington area team for years and the fans hated it. The Wizards seem to be the opposite and I love it. I understand your need for instant gratification, but in this business it doesn't quite work that way. That model has been tried before and has failed many times.

and this:

The reason why i titled my thread "Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong" is because their were many who felt that this team would still be a lottery team, many gave up on Wall felt that he should be traded, many were too premature with Beal and thought he was the wrong pick and should have been traded, many questioned the Ariza trade and called him a bum etc. Many knee jerk reactions flying around. The thread was not attacking anyone in general on the board, it was just directed to all those who may have felt the same way as the ideas stated above. My opinion may not be popular, but hey i will always put up a good fight in trying to explain it and provide some evidence. The whole shoulda, coulda, woulda drafted Kawi Leonard over Jan Vesely and other guys etc. does nothing for this team now. Who knows if Leonard would have been as good as he is in San Antonio, who knows if he came to the DC area and he turned into an Andray Blatche strip club lap dance king. I don't want to live in the past and be jealous of players we could have had, i want to focus on now, the future and support the guys we have on this roster no matter how bad they may "suck".

That's some very bipolar posting there buddy. Even you yourself gave up on Wall. Would you call yourself a bad fan? I would think not. Maybe calling for Ernie and Wittman's head might be a bit extreme but folks in here have recognized a recurring problem that has not been addressed. It would be nice if Ernie and Wittman addressed a few of those issues.

Sounds like a person who thought signing Randy was a bad move.. hated it.. when it was made who changed their mind after seeing the team get better.

Now thats some good trolling there. Dig up the guy 2nd post on the board made in a game thread after a lose to MEM in February last year. Yeah, none of us ever vent in a game thread after a lose.

So from what date did you dig this up ? This one wasn't in the same thread you linked I don't believe.

"I don't want to live in the past and be jealous of players we could have had, i want to focus on now, the future and support the guys we have on this roster no matter how bad they may "suck"."

That's bi polar ?

Amazing people.

[TGW]

The nerve of non-mods like Pine and Doc having access to private information like the number of posts in the thread.

You two have sullied the great reputation of internet forum moderators around the interwebs.

Wait a minute...

uh...

oh...

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Now I have it too! Whacha gonna do Rico...

[hands11]

The problem I have with a lot of your comments are that you want the GM and Coach fired Now in the middle of a playoff season. None of you want to let the season play out and see where we go from there after the season. If the Wizards fail, then yes, some jobs should be in question however they are not on the course to fail as of now.

That's where I've been all season. Whether we personally agree with how the team got to this point, I think many are under-appreciating this season. And if the team chokes down the stretch, I don't see anybody defending Ted/Witt/EG. But for now, let's enjoy rooting for a team in the playoff hunt and see what kind of run they can get on once they get there (especially with a healthy Nene).

Go Wiz!

Well that was a stand up move.

So I guess you are now a Troll as well in their eyes.

[hands11]

millie is a good example of what a lot of casual Wizards fans are thinking. Hey, the team is back to .500, heading for the playoffs -- Grunfeld must be doing a good job.

I just with I had all you guys giving me performance reviews and deciding on my pay raise at The Job. Grunfeld has accomplished just about the easiest feat there is in the NBA -- he's patched together a roster that can get to .500 and into the playoffs. And he's managed to scale this peak during a year in which 4 of the 15 Eastern Conference teams were blatantly tanking.

All that said, don't be confused. I enjoy watching this team play. Mediocrity is more entertaining than utter suckitude. But, I'm not under any illusion that they've done anything special. They've spent an extraordinary cache of assets (cap space, cap exceptions and draft picks) to get back to average. They did such a poor job of building the roster, they had to spend future assets (a 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick) to achieve the modest goal of MAKING the playoffs. Considering what they spent to get to this point, Grunfeld has decidedly not redeemed himself. Not in my eyes, at least.

And, the guys who have brought this "success" are almost certain to stay on the job for the foreseeable future. That doesn't inspire much hope for that future.

While there is truth in what you wrote and as you admitted some are your projected opinion which is fine, its also true that some didn't even think they would be this good. The rest the stuff you summarized we have already covered tons of times. This this a snap shot. EG outright made some bad decisions such as Maynor. He also gave up that conditional first for Gortat because Okafor showed up injured out of nowhere. They might keep Gortat so we don't know what we got in total for that pick. And we don't know if we sign Gortat that they can't later trade him.

As for the last 3 drafts, my view even before the draft was, eg can't miss on 2 out of 4. He can miss on 1 out of 4 but not 2 out of 4. Otto is the tipping point to the EG draft story.

But in general, there are lots of us that are frustrated that we don't see the smooth sailing ahead. Lots of big decision to get made this summer.

But at the same time, every franchise has questions. Look at even the better teams.

OKC has to worry about KD leaving in 2016 if they can't win it all. Thats a big ouch.
SAS has to worry about life after Duncan and how much longer will Pops coach ?
MIA has huge questions this off season.
NY spent a butt ton to suck. And they will likely suck next year as well. But nice PR move getting Phil
IND was a great story last year but damn. Whats going on with them ? And they will likely lose Lance
MIN has the love problem.
BRK is old and expensive

Teams have problems. This new CBA is going to really start to level the field.

[hands11]

It's called venting out of frustration. That was a time when the team looked bad, before any Gortat trade, before Wall was an allstar etc. I never claimed Ted, Wittman or Grunfeld were perfect. Do I still think Ted is cheap? Yes. However, Grunfeld has totally redeemed himself based on the moves he's made to get this team to where it is today. This is a totally different team than last year. The problem I have with a lot of your comments are that you want the GM and Coach fired Now in the middle of a playoff season. None of you want to let the season play out and see where we go from there after the season. If the Wizards fail, then yes, some jobs should be in question however they are not on the course to fail as of now.

First question for you. Why do you think Ted is cheap?

He is cheap because he didn't splash for a big named coach that many wanted. He is cheap because of not signing high priced free agents. He's not the only owner of a team that is cheap though. In this case it has worked out well for this team. We can say that Ted knew what he was doing all along. Spending much more for a big named coach that may or may not have gotten more production from this team than Wittman would have been foolish now that we look back on it. Tell me how that worked out for the Lakers and Dantoni. As far as high priced free agents goes, I think the production we have gotten from our players on bargain contracts while not bringing in headaches such as Josh Smith, Jr Smith etc. was the right move. Again, many screamed for Ernie to trade for Monroe, go after Smith but I think we are better off.

I agreed, keeping Randy at the time was a good move. Specially with the support he was getting from key players. Wall and Nene. I advocated for it. And he has done some good for the team. I just wish he would have grown in the job the way I wanted him to. I wish he would have become a better game time coach.

He still preaches the right kinds of things. Bring the energy. Focus on defense. That is what wins in the playoffs. But he is missing other things a head coach needs. Match ups. Line ups. Rotations. Offensive strategy. Accountability for Wall and Beal. The ability to get Beal in position to shoot from where he is efficient. Keeping the team motivated when they lapse.

For those reasons I think the team has out ground him. If we could find a better coach that is a good fit, this team would produce better. But they aren't changing now. That IND game probably ended any hope of that happening. They will beat ATL tomorrow. They might even catch fire and go on a run.

Wall and Gorat looked good working together in that IND game. Nice PnR they have working. And Wall has some 3 ball now. Even started a floater. Where did that come from this late in the year ?