Landry Fields meets the parents

[Scraptor]

What I find interesting is he's the biggest Jesus Freak, praise the Lord for waking me up today, guy, and his GF is, well, selling her body like a 50-cent hooker. Weren't the Jesus freaks supposed to marry the girl next door, well she's only the girl next door if he lives next to a strip club.

Interesting you're so callously bigoted towards people who profess Christian faith openly. I wasn't aware you're an authority on what the correct form of Christian behaviors and values are.

Jesus Freak is pretty offensive, fyi. Woulda thought we could avoid slurs against religion on Raptors RealGM, particularly from someone such as yourself who professes to be the pinnacle of dialogue.

You have really evolved as a poster, dude. Ever since you dropped your BC-Murder sig you've become 10x more readable. Good on you.

[Iamtheliquor]

Turbozone needs to make a sig on the fact that this thread has reached 5 pages, only in Raptor land.

[bakafool]

What I find interesting is he's the biggest Jesus Freak, praise the Lord for waking me up today, guy, and his GF is, well, selling her body like a 50-cent hooker. Weren't the Jesus freaks supposed to marry the girl next door, well she's only the girl next door if he lives next to a strip club.

Plenty of players seem to say that stuff, either because it's how they were raised, or their PR guys thought it was a good idea. I really don't know.

I remember Dwight was "all about Jesus", then a few months later he's whipping it out for a pornstar in a bathroom somewhere. I highly doubt there are many NBA players who can resist the benefits of their position.

Temptation is a bitch.

[BorisDK1]

What I find interesting is he's the biggest Jesus Freak, praise the Lord for waking me up today, guy, and his GF is, well, selling her body like a 50-cent hooker. Weren't the Jesus freaks supposed to marry the girl next door, well she's only the girl next door if he lives next to a strip club.

As a fellow Jesus Freak, allow me to speak on Landry's behalf and remind us all: "Judge not, so that you not be judged. For whatever standard you measure on another, it will be measured back to you."

Now, for the record, I'll agree that modesty IMO should be a hallmark of a Christian's dress (both male and female). But maybe she's not a believing Christian, and only he is? Maybe Landry just likes her, is going to be his own guy and believe his thing and she'll do his? (I'm not saying that's a good strategy for marriage for a believing Christian, but it might be what he's trying to do.)

FWIW (addressed to bigdirty), I don't think any offense should be taken from the category "Jesus Freak". Gotta be a freak about somethin'; I can't think of anything more valuable, personally. Christians should embrace that term.

[BorisDK1]

Her profession requires some sexy posing as a model, but it's not like she's a stripper or anything. Those are legitimate modelling gigs like GQ, Sports Illustrated, and swimwear and such. I'm not sure how big she is in the modelling world, but she probably has quite some recognition and success since she was interviewed by Fox News.

If she's a believing Christian, she probably shouldn't be dressing that way. Dagger's right to question how she presents herself if she's trying to be a consistent Christian in her behaviour. He's off-base assuming that's what she is and is trying to do, though (and probably a little quick to throw a rock at somebody else when there's our own sins in all of our lives).

If she's from North Carolina, it could mean she was raised in the Bible Belt South. No idea if that means she's a bible thumper. But Landry did take her to his church services in Cali, so they probably share some connection over a common religion. And while Landry may be a devout christian, he's from Cali, not the deep south. Liberal Californian Christians aren't exactly the stereotypical "fundie jesus freak" caricatures you find in the deep south bible belt.

Geographical profiling? Seriously?

I think most people here don't have the first clue as to what a "fundie" actually is, and what believing Christians from the South actually live like. They've never met them, never spent any time living with them, never made any attempt to find out what they actually believe and why, etc.

[BorisDK1]

Plenty of players seem to say that stuff, either because it's how they were raised, or their PR guys thought it was a good idea. I really don't know.

I remember Dwight was "all about Jesus", then a few months later he's whipping it out for a pornstar in a bathroom somewhere. I highly doubt there are many NBA players who can resist the benefits of their position.

A lot of guys aren't firm enough in their faith to handle the NBA lifestyle, you're absolutely correct. The money comes, the women throw themselves at you and decadence soon takes a hold of you. The exceptions to the rule are so few it's scary. So many warnings in the New Testament about that - the parable of the seed and the sower, etc.

It truly is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for the rich to enter the Kingdom. So many barriers come with that money. These guys have my sympathy.

[Mattd97]

can we get back to hot girlfriends and leave the far-too-goading religious arguments to the ot board?

here;

[spaceballer]

Her profession requires some sexy posing as a model, but it's not like she's a stripper or anything. Those are legitimate modelling gigs like GQ, Sports Illustrated, and swimwear and such. I'm not sure how big she is in the modelling world, but she probably has quite some recognition and success since she was interviewed by Fox News.

If she's a believing Christian, she probably shouldn't be dressing that way. Dagger's right to question how she presents herself if she's trying to be a consistent Christian in her behaviour. He's off-base assuming that's what she is and is trying to do, though (and probably a little quick to throw a rock at somebody else when there's our own sins in all of our lives).

There is no "Christian" way to dress. They come in all shapes and sizes and types. Just because a particular vocal sub-group of "Christians" may endorse a particular convention doesn't make it a "Christian Dress code."

If she's from North Carolina, it could mean she was raised in the Bible Belt South. No idea if that means she's a bible thumper. But Landry did take her to his church services in Cali, so they probably share some connection over a common religion. And while Landry may be a devout christian, he's from Cali, not the deep south. Liberal Californian Christians aren't exactly the stereotypical "fundie jesus freak" caricatures you find in the deep south bible belt.

Geographical profiling? Seriously?

I think most people here don't have the first clue as to what a "fundie" actually is, and what believing Christians from the South actually live like. They've never met them, never spent any time living with them, never made any attempt to find out what they actually believe and why, etc.

Yes, hence the use of quotation marks. And geographical profiling plays a role in presidential campaign strategies. The US is not a homogenous whole. Different states, and even different areas inside each state, have different prevailing socio-political leanings and norms. A liberal in one state is a conservative in another.

[spaceballer]

can we get back to hot girlfriends and leave the far-too-goading religious arguments to the ot board?

here;

What were we arguing about, again? Nevermind, I just lost my train of thought

[JWiLL02]

Plenty of players seem to say that stuff, either because it's how they were raised, or their PR guys thought it was a good idea. I really don't know.

I remember Dwight was "all about Jesus", then a few months later he's whipping it out for a pornstar in a bathroom somewhere. I highly doubt there are many NBA players who can resist the benefits of their position.

A lot of guys aren't firm enough in their faith to handle the NBA lifestyle, you're absolutely correct. The money comes, the women throw themselves at you and decadence soon takes a hold of you. The exceptions to the rule are so few it's scary. So many warnings in the New Testament about that - the parable of the seed and the sower, etc.

It truly is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for the rich to enter the Kingdom. So many barriers come with that money. These guys have my sympathy.

Interesting, I have absolutely no sympathy for them.

Then again, I can't understand feeling very strongly about religion in the first place, but that's a whole different topic that tends to get messy.

[BorisDK1]

There is no "Christian" way to dress. They come in all shapes and sizes and types. Just because a particular vocal sub-group of "Christians" may endorse a particular convention doesn't make it a "Christian Dress code."

I never said they did, but if you're a believing Christian the Bible speaks rather forcibly to modesty being a principle of how you dress. Now, what modest make look like to me might not be what modest looks like to you - however, I think certain swimsuit shots have a whole lot of immodesty involved. Wouldn't you agree?

Dagger's not wrong to raise his eyebrows at these kind of pictures and wonder if it's consistent with a person's Christian profession; the problem is, we don't know what is in this young lady's heart and mind. We ought to leave judgment in these regards to God.

[JWiLL02]

Leave judgement in these regards to God? Your God takes time out of his day to worry about swimsuit design?

Alright, I have to leave before I say something bad. I do find it surprising to read that from one of the more cereberal posters on this board, though.

[BorisDK1]

Leave judgement in these regards to God? Your God takes time out of his day to worry about swimsuit design?

Alright, I have to leave before I say something bad. I do find it surprising to read that from one of the more cereberal posters on this board, though.

No, but my God cares very much about the hearts and affections of His people, which ought to be fixed on Him and His Son. That's the greatest treasure we Christians have in this world: God. Everything else is either temporary or downright worthless. It's a privelege to know God and to believe in Him and we ought to enjoy it; it's not that God is smack us with a ruler or have a bus drive over us if we don't, but we do deprive ourselves. If that makes sense.

I'm just not going to pass judgment on how much somebody does or does not love God or Jesus based on how he or she dresses; that's not anybody's place to do that. But Christians who want to please God in their dress ought to be asking themselves if the modesty God says He desires from us is being practiced. I don't think that's a controversial or uncerebral answer, personally. We may come to different conclusions, we may be in different stages in our faith but it's a question we should ask ourselves if we want to be consistent.

[TiKusDom]

No, but my God cares very much about the hearts and affections of His people, which ought to be fixed on Him and His Son. That's the greatest treasure we Christians have in this world: God. Everything else is either temporary or downright worthless. It's a privelege to know God and to believe in Him and we ought to enjoy it; it's not that God is smack us with a ruler or have a bus drive over us if we don't, but we do deprive ourselves. If that makes sense.

I'm just not going to pass judgment on how much somebody does or does not love God or Jesus based on how he or she dresses; that's not anybody's place to do that. But Christians who want to please God in their dress ought to be asking themselves if the modesty God says He desires from us is being practiced. I don't think that's a controversial or uncerebral answer, personally. We may come to different conclusions, we may be in different stages in our faith but it's a question we should ask ourselves if we want to be consistent.

religous talk on a sports forum makes me wana

[BorisDK1]

religous talk on a sports forum makes me wana

Hey, I know man. I'm sorry. I'm just trying to give some perspective on this issue, I'm not trying to preach to anybody.

[spaceballer]

There is no "Christian" way to dress. They come in all shapes and sizes and types. Just because a particular vocal sub-group of "Christians" may endorse a particular convention doesn't make it a "Christian Dress code."

I never said they did, but if you're a believing Christian the Bible speaks rather forcibly to modesty being a principle of how you dress. Now, what modest make look like to me might not be what modest looks like to you - however, I think certain swimsuit shots have a whole lot of immodesty involved. Wouldn't you agree?

Dagger's not wrong to raise his eyebrows at these kind of pictures and wonder if it's consistent with a person's Christian profession; the problem is, we don't know what is in this young lady's heart and mind. We ought to leave judgment in these regards to God.

There're enough contradictions in the bible that people can cherry pick scripture to support anything. Different sects can't even agree on what the bible means. For instance, you've got liberal christian groups and conservative christian groups both using scripture to support diametrically opposed and mutually exclusive positions. What she believes is between her and her God. That "modesty principle" might not be apart of her religion. Just as you have pro-gay churches and anti-gay churches both using scripture to support their position. Heck, you have Rev. MLK and the KKK, both supposedly very Christian and believing it's their christian duty to oppose each other.

I just don't think it's fair to impose your christian beliefs on her over her own christian beliefs, or assess her on a "modesty" scale or principle that her church may not even subscribe to as a measure of her devoutness. There's a reason that there are so many christian sects, because they can't agree on what the scripture means. So it may not be right to assert that they all follow a "modesty principle" or belief just because you may, since none of them can agree on scripture, or else there wouldn't be so many sects. Different churches, different interpretations of scripture, etc.

Let it be between the Christians and their god. Nothing to do with me. And it has nothing to do with your interpretation of what scripture means to her, since your religion isn't necessarily hers.

This is my last word on this subject.

[JWiLL02]

Leave judgement in these regards to God? Your God takes time out of his day to worry about swimsuit design?

Alright, I have to leave before I say something bad. I do find it surprising to read that from one of the more cereberal posters on this board, though.

No, but my God cares very much about the hearts and affections of His people, which ought to be fixed on Him and His Son. That's the greatest treasure we Christians have in this world: God. Everything else is either temporary or downright worthless. It's a privelege to know God and to believe in Him and we ought to enjoy it; it's not that God is smack us with a ruler or have a bus drive over us if we don't, but we do deprive ourselves. If that makes sense.

I'm just not going to pass judgment on how much somebody does or does not love God or Jesus based on how he or she dresses; that's not anybody's place to do that. But Christians who want to please God in their dress ought to be asking themselves if the modesty God says He desires from us is being practiced. I don't think that's a controversial or uncerebral answer, personally. We may come to different conclusions, we may be in different stages in our faith but it's a question we should ask ourselves if we want to be consistent.

Please god in their dress, yikes. I would think the greatest gift anyone has is their family and friends, you know, things of substance.

Anyway, my cereberal comment had more to do with expecting someone of your intelligence to take a more... scientific angle. Carry on with your all powerful dietys though. I do have a certain type of respect for those who are able to believe in all that.

[BorisDK1]

There're enough contradictions in the bible that people can cherry pick scripture to support anything. Different sects can't even agree on what the bible means. For instance, you've got liberal christian groups and conservative christian groups both using scripture to support diametrically opposed and mutually exclusive positions.

And you have people who read Lord of the Rings who insist balrogs have wings or that Sauron is a gigantic glowing red eye even when it's pretty clear that neither is true. So therefore LOTR is just gibberish and the author's intent can't be discerned, right? Well, the Bible's literature in the same way, and things are supposed to be interpreted with what people would consider some pretty normal hermeneutics.

I don't want to get into this very much other than to roll my eyes at what is just pure ignorance. You may or may not believe the Bible; that's up to you. But it's considerably more consistent and tenacious than what you present, and if pressed for the truth I think you'll admit you haven't read it for much detail. OTOH, I know both NT Greek and OT Hebrew and have studied it quite a bit, so this is obviously not much of a fair fight. I don't want to go into great detail because this is not the time or the place, but not sneering at Christians' beliefs would be a positive start (when you don't have the information to discuss it meaningfully, which you obviously don't).

What she believes is between her and her God.

...which was my entire point. So it might not be the Christians who are bad at reading texts, after all.

I just don't think it's fair to impose your christian beliefs on her over her own christian beliefs, or assess her on a "modesty" scale or principle that her church may not even subscribe to as a measure of her devoutness.

Given that I specifically said nobody could or should try that, I'd like to know exactly how you come to the point of accusing me of doing so? I'm really curious.

I'm not going to go further into this with you because I don't want to anger anybody but I do find it uproarious that you accuse the Bible of so much contradiction yet you have so much trouble understanding some pretty straightforward statements from me. Maybe it's not the text that's the problem?

[spaceballer]

As I stated, Boris, that's my last word on the subject. I'm not going to respond and get deeper into this with you.

[Mattd97]