Pistons Have Talent; Matter Of Lineups; Half Rant

[313 Professor]

Is Rodney Stuckey finally gone? I didn't post much in here during the Stuckey era, because some of you believed in his potential and now that I'm sure most of you have learned the truth I would appreciate if you'd PLEASE look back and see some of this nonsense!!

Complete Breakdown Of Rodney Stuckey & Why He Doesn't Contribute To Winning (2009)
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Clearing The Hype Over His 14 Assist Game (2011) -_____-
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Disappointed.... I was... In a lot of you in your ability and willingness to talk basketball.

Anyways, as I look at our roster and the moves that we've made and players we have it all boils down to lineups. A lot of players end up starting in the NBA based off of name, but as we've seen with players like Crawford, J.R. Smith, Nick Young, Ginobili a little, certain players just need to come off of the bench to have a higher usage rate and not take away touches from the better players. Brandon Jennings is one of those players, except he can only play the point because of his defense. Unfortunately, Josh Smith is another one of those guys. One of them must come off of the bench.

Let Jennings run with shooters 2-4 (could be Meeks, KCP, Jerebko) and a big that can defend the paint for his lack of lateral strength on D (Drummond)
Let Josh run with shooters 1-3, two of which are solid ball handlers and pick and roll guys to create more space for him in the halfcourt (could be Augstin & Dindwiddie)

Basically, if Josh Smith and Jennings are on the same team next year they should almost NEVER be on the floor together for offensive efficiency reasons.

Jodie Meeks is an excellent addition as a knockdown shooter
Spencer Dindwiddie is going to be amazing, and I absolutely love his ball-handling, body control, passing, P&R potential, creativity off the dribble. Really hope he can play sometime next year
Butler can shoot it
KCP can shoot it even tho hit didn't convert a high clip last year
Augustin can shoot it

Gotta wait and see on Monroe and what happens but don't underrate the value of the shooting that we have. I wouldn't mind keeping him as long as Josh never plays the 3, and as long as one of Smith or Jennings comes off the bench. That is VERY necessary.

What do yall think about lineups with what we have now?

[DCintheD]

I agree with what your saying. SVG needs to be unorthodox with his lineups. He's gotta be creative.

[c rasheed]

stuckey plays baron davis without the playmaking abilities. his mere presence is making the team worse.

i think i would dump him for a second rounder at this point.

Proud to be one those guys that always knew Stuckey was garbage

[theBigLip]

313- I agree with your assessment going forward, but I hardly think you were the only one that felt Stucky needed to be moved. I think that was a near unanimous thought on these boards the last few years. I did think he would have an okay year last year since it was his contract year, but he certainly should have been traded once the lockerrom fell apart. Guess there were no takers.

[Ghost]

Assuming we keep who we have now, I'd gun for:
Drummond (36), Monroe (12)
Smith (30), Monroe (18)
Butler (15), Jerebko (5), Singler (18), Martin (5), KCP (5)
KCP (28), Meeks (20)
Jennings (28), Augustine (20)

Okay, after I wrote that out I couldn't help but laugh at my small forward minute allocation .

Also, I'm fine with Smith/Jennings both starting. However, rules in place: Smith can only shoot within the paint. Jennings usg% drops via only 7-10 shots per game. I think Smith's ego is too big to hit the bench. I also would prefer Augustine off the bench as a sparkplug type, but if Jennings cant lower his shots then I guess Jennings off the bench as sparkplug and Augustine playing smart would work.
I wanted to put 5 mins for Jerebko at PF because of small ball opportunities but then I figured I'd have to put Smith for 5 mins at small forward and I didn't want to confuse people by what I was trying to say in the rotation. Like Drummond/Jerebko/KCP/Meeks/Augustine.



Whatever SVG feels is best though. I have faith. I loved our signings and think we have a lot of potential lineups we can develop, that can shoot, and that will work hard. Hopefully everyone buys in and we can play team defense too. We got a nice mix of athleticism and skills as well now.

[The Penguin]

313- I agree with your assessment going forward, but I hardly think you were the only one that felt Stucky needed to be moved. I think that was a near unanimous thought on these boards the last few years. I did think he would have an okay year last year since it was his contract year, but he certainly should have been traded once the lockerrom fell apart. Guess there were no takers.

Joe never got the memo that trades don't get done on the golf course anymore, he was waiting at the first tee all year but no one ever showed up.

[Piston Pete]

Donut shoppe

[E-Z]

Chemistry is the most important imo.

[Snakebites]

Ah, this post.

Is it self indulgent? Yes.

Is it self righteous? Yes.

It may be those things, but....

Wait, no, actually that's it.

[Piston Pete]

I posted this in another thread....but think it applies here too.



If we could trade Bynum/Jerebko for a future 2nd rounder or two, we could go with a 10-man rotation and play the kids in the d-league:

PISTONS:
Jennings / Augustine
KCP / Meeks
Butler / Singler / Martin
Monroe / Smith
Drummond / Monroe




GRAND RAPIDS DRIVE:
Siva
Dinwiddie (two-pg lineup)
Datome
Mitchell
Gray


Pistons go with a 10-man rotation and we keep our 5 young guys in Grand Rapids to play every day and call them up in cases of injury/suspensions/etc with the "parent" club.

[GreekAlex]

I posted this in another thread....but think it applies here too.



If we could trade Bynum/Jerebko for a future 2nd rounder or two, we could go with a 10-man rotation and play the kids in the d-league:

PISTONS:
Jennings / Augustine
KCP / Meeks
Butler / Singler / Martin
Monroe / Smith
Drummond / Monroe




GRAND RAPIDS DRIVE:
Siva
Dinwiddie (two-pg lineup)
Datome
Mitchell
Gray


Pistons go with a 10-man rotation and we keep our 5 young guys in Grand Rapids to play every day and call them up in cases of injury/suspensions/etc with the "parent" club.

I like your premise but I believe they got A. Gray to battle with Andre in practice, not to develop him.

Don't teams have to dress 12 players per game? Even if they don't play, who would round out the bench?

[Natopher]

I posted this in another thread....but think it applies here too.



If we could trade Bynum/Jerebko for a future 2nd rounder or two, we could go with a 10-man rotation and play the kids in the d-league:

PISTONS:
Jennings / Augustine
KCP / Meeks
Butler / Singler / Martin
Monroe / Smith
Drummond / Monroe




GRAND RAPIDS DRIVE:
Siva
Dinwiddie (two-pg lineup)
Datome
Mitchell
Gray


Pistons go with a 10-man rotation and we keep our 5 young guys in Grand Rapids to play every day and call them up in cases of injury/suspensions/etc with the "parent" club.

I like your premise but I believe they got A. Gray to battle with Andre in practice, not to develop him.

Don't teams have to dress 12 players per game? Even if they don't play, who would round out the bench?

Since the new CBA, a team can dress 13 players each game. I don't understand why you can't just dress all your players, but I'm not the commissioner.

[vic]

Totally agree that Dinwiddie is going to be amazing. Dinwiddie is the starting Pg by next year.

Stuckey wasn't as bad as you say as long as he was playing PG.

Lineups:

Starters:
Jennings
KCP
Martin
Monroe
Drummond

Bench:
Augustin
Meeks
Singler/Butler
Smith/Jerebko
Monroe


*edit - forgot about Martin.. I think he takes the starting role and Jerebko goes in for stretch 4 minutes.

[Piston Pete]

I posted this in another thread....but think it applies here too.



If we could trade Bynum/Jerebko for a future 2nd rounder or two, we could go with a 10-man rotation and play the kids in the d-league:

PISTONS:
Jennings / Augustine
KCP / Meeks
Butler / Singler / Martin
Monroe / Smith
Drummond / Monroe




GRAND RAPIDS DRIVE:
Siva
Dinwiddie (two-pg lineup)
Datome
Mitchell
Gray


Pistons go with a 10-man rotation and we keep our 5 young guys in Grand Rapids to play every day and call them up in cases of injury/suspensions/etc with the "parent" club.

I like your premise but I believe they got A. Gray to battle with Andre in practice, not to develop him.

Don't teams have to dress 12 players per game? Even if they don't play, who would round out the bench?

Since the new CBA, a team can dress 13 players each game. I don't understand why you can't just dress all your players, but I'm not the commissioner.

If we need to dress more guys, we dress Gray and Datome.

The other 3 guys (Siva, Dinwiddie, and Mitchell) need to be developed.

If we need to dress 13 (seems high), then we just make sure 2 of those guys are always in Grand Rapids together at all times.

[313 Professor]

Ah, this post.

Is it self indulgent? Yes.

Is it self righteous? Yes.

It may be those things, but....

Wait, no, actually that's it.

Do you understand how much bs yall gave me about Stuckey? IN 2009 WHEN WE COULD'VE GOT SOMETHING FOR HIM!!! MUST I FIND MORE???

But yea with the Lakers debacle when they had all that talent, and the Heat's struggles in the halfcourt at times despite elite talent, the Jennings/Ellis backcourt and other examples, it's becoming clear in the NBA how important lineups, spacing, and usage are. Josh & Jennings both need to be free to miss some shots in order to make some of the plays they can make, and when either has the ball the other has very little value, and their "talent actually being applied to the game rating" diminishes (just made that up ). We have some shooting now, and have a great Center. With Monroe or if we can trade em or whatever one of them has to go to the bench I think.

[Snakebites]

Ah, this post.

Is it self indulgent? Yes.

Is it self righteous? Yes.

It may be those things, but....

Wait, no, actually that's it.

Do you understand how much bs yall gave me about Stuckey? IN 2009 WHEN WE COULD'VE GOT SOMETHING FOR HIM!!! MUST I FIND MORE???

I didn't even say you were wrong.

I said it was self indulgent and self righteous to bring up year old threads and scold the collective for what we USED to think.

And you respond to those allegations with....well, more righteousness and indulgence. Don't expect anyone to be impressed. In fact, we're even less impressed by your attitude and your decision to bring up years - old threads that nobody remembers, particularly not when it has NOTHING to do with the title of the thread.

Do this again and I'll deal with it accordingly.

[Brapman]

NBA teams can only have 2 from their 15 man roster playing in the NBDL at a time.

[northernpuppy]

Ah, this post.

Is it self indulgent? Yes.

Is it self righteous? Yes.

It may be those things, but....

Wait, no, actually that's it.

Do you understand how much bs yall gave me about Stuckey? IN 2009 WHEN WE COULD'VE GOT SOMETHING FOR HIM!!! MUST I FIND MORE???

Not to be a massive troll, but I have always said Stuckey was massive cancer for this team.

I vividly recall one game where a heckler under the home basket (so the right side movable seats) kept yelling, "PASS THE BALL, STUCKEY. PASS THE BALL" every time Rodney had the rock. And 9 times out of 10, he put up an ill advised shot or turned it over. Can't remember who it was against, but it contributed to the Pistons loss that eve.

[313 Professor]

Ah, this post.

Is it self indulgent? Yes.

Is it self righteous? Yes.

It may be those things, but....

Wait, no, actually that's it.

Do you understand how much bs yall gave me about Stuckey? IN 2009 WHEN WE COULD'VE GOT SOMETHING FOR HIM!!! MUST I FIND MORE???

I didn't even say you were wrong.

I said it was self indulgent and self righteous to bring up year old threads and scold the collective for what we USED to think.

And you respond to those allegations with....well, more righteousness and indulgence. Don't expect anyone to be impressed. In fact, we're even less impressed by your attitude and your decision to bring up years - old threads that nobody remembers, particularly not when it has NOTHING to do with the title of the thread.

Do this again and I'll deal with it accordingly.

Bro this aint no real life stuff chill out. "We're even less impressed" I don't care. I don't know you or care about the "we" you speak of. I talk about basketball on here and try to talk with other knowledgeable Pistons fans. Where were you at "dealing with things accordingly" when people were posting facepalms and mocking my post when I was just talking about Rodney Stuckey? Respond to my post or read it and hit X like everybody else. Talk character wit ya fam

[Piston Pete]

NBA teams can only have 2 from their 15 man roster playing in the NBDL at a time.

Assuming Bynum is gone soon (hopefully), Siva might be needed as our 3rd PG.

Dinwiddie and Mitchell get sent to Grand Rapids then.