Jazzfan1971 and FloppyMoose's Season Preview - The Nets

Post #1 » by **jazzfan1971** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:21 pm

Brooklyn Nets

Projected Lineup
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PG - Deron Williams, Jarrett Jack, Teague, Guitierez
SG - Alan Anderson, Markel Brown
SF - Joe Johnson, Bojan Bogdanovic, Sergey Karasev
PF - Mirza Teletovic, Andrei Kirilenko, Cory Jefferson
C - Brook Lopez, Mason PLumlee, Kevin Garnett

Trading Block: With the repeater tax looming I could see Brooklyn looking to move any of Johnson, Williams, or Lopez. I think it would have to be the right deal though as I don't see them paying through the nose to dump salary.

Position Battle: PF. I think it's up in the air right now. You could make a good argument for Garnett, Plumlee, Teletovic, or even AK. (I wouldn't be surprised to see KG start myself, but, even as a starter I wouldn't expect more than 20mpg)

Mystery Man: Tim Walsh. Who? The most important man you've never heard of on the Nets. Tim Walsh is the athletic Trainer. He's the guy responsible with keeping all the horses on the court in good health. As Tim Walsh goes, so goes the team.

Floppymusings:
The Nets are old and a bit broken down. I never thought the whole superteam concept would work with players that old, and not much has happened to change my mind. Andray Blatche will be missed. Did I just write that? Williams/Johnson/Kirilenko/Garnett/Lopez are all still good players. If I could know right now that each was going to play 75+ games at 30 minutes a night, I'd predict big things for the Nets. The problem is, they won't play anywhere near that much. Still, whatever month they are all healthy, they will do some damage to the opponents.

Jazzfanramblings:
I grew up in Utah and went to public schools here. All in all, I thought I got a pretty good free education. But, when I look at some stats I see that Utah is dead last in spending per student in the country. Dead last. New York spends more than 3x as much per child. So, I dig a little deeper. I look at SAT scores by state. Utah is #17 where New York is #41. (admittedly, this is a hugely flawed metric for school quality, I use it more to illustrate a difference than to seriously compare the two states) You wonder what would happen to those numbers if Utah spent 3x as much per child or New York spent 1/3rd as much. You can't really say, but, I'd guess not a whole lot. Some problems aren't solved by throwing cash at them. And it's kinda weird when that happens, because in most of life you throw enough cash at a problem and it goes away. And I think wealthy folks just get used to the idea that cash solves all problems. It's not hard to understand why after all because it usually does.

But, in the NBA it sure doesn't seem to work that way. Yet we get new owners come into the league time after time that line up to throw cash at a roster thinking that it will result in a championship team. I'd guess that the Clippers will soon take over the Nets as the top spending team as Ballmer falls into this trap. It's almost a rite of initiation into the league. You come in, you spend a fortune, your team under-performs, then you cut back spending and try to win using a less brute force approach. I think that's where Proky and the Nets are right now, they've tried throwing cash at the roster, bought themselves a 2nd round exit, and are now going to be thinking on how to build a championship roster by being smarter instead of richer.

I really thought that the Nets were going to be better last year, I couldn't have been much more wrong. This year I have them as my first (least winning) playoff squad. They have the potential to be quite a bit better than that if they stay mostly injury free, but, after how badly they burned me last year I'm not ready to go out on any limbs for them staying healthy this season. I think they are on the playoff bubble and have the potential to swing pretty widely either direction depending on injuries and team direction.

Projected Record - 36/46

Post #2 » by **jazzfan1971** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:32 pm

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NashtyNas · Post #3 » by **NashtyNas** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:46 pm

Do you guys have like 10 teams winning 60+ games or something?
Every team has been a little shy in the win columns.
Most teams you suggest going under .500 will be AT LEAST .500.

SIC · Post #4 » by **SIC** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:56 pm

Thanks for the Post.

Quick Question

Do you guys do any research on the teams you Preview before you post?

From what I have read, FloppyMoose has stated you guys use some sort of analytics. but do you actually read articles especially interviews of Coaches, Players or Nets GM?

Just asking.

Your Projected Lineup is wrong especially at PF. Hollins has come out and said KG will start at PF.
Too many articles about this to post all but here
http://www.netsdaily.com/2014/9/15/6154 ... er-forward

I am sorta disappointed with this. I really dont care about Win Loss prediction. I was just expecting something different. Oh Well.

Post #5 » by **jazzfan1971** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:50 pm

SIC wrote:Thanks for the Post.

Quick Question

Do you guys do any research on the teams you Preview before you post?

From what I have read, FloppyMoose has stated you guys use some sort of analytics. but do you actually read articles especially interviews of Coaches, Players or Nets GM?

Just asking.

Your Projected Lineup is wrong especially at PF. Hollins has come out and said KG will start at PF.
Too many articles about this to post all but here
http://www.netsdaily.com/2014/9/15/6154 ... er-forward

I am sorta disappointed with this. I really dont care about Win Loss prediction. I was just expecting something different. Oh Well.

Hey, thanks for the updated info. I wrote this several weeks ago so it's obviously fallen behind a bit. Would you care to provide a complete depth chart for folks? That would be great.

Left Side Drive · Post #6 » by **Left Side Drive** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:26 pm

Nets fans aren't going to be too thrilled with this lol.

A lot can happen during the course of a season but I still see the Nets pulling off at least 40 wins. Their team may not be contenders but they are still a playoff team.

Post #7 » by **jazzfan1971** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:57 pm

Left Side Drive wrote:Nets fans aren't going to be too thrilled with this lol.

A lot can happen during the course of a season but I still see the Nets pulling off at least 40 wins. Their team may not be contenders but they are still a playoff team.

I think both Floppy and I have them making the playoffs.

SIC · Post #8 » by **SIC** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:13 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:
SIC wrote:Thanks for the Post.

Quick Question

Do you guys do any research on the teams you Preview before you post?

From what I have read, FloppyMoose has stated you guys use some sort of analytics. but do you actually read articles especially interviews of Coaches, Players or Nets GM?

Just asking.

Your Projected Lineup is wrong especially at PF. Hollins has come out and said KG will start at PF.
Too many articles about this to post all but here
http://www.netsdaily.com/2014/9/15/6154 ... er-forward

I am sorta disappointed with this. I really dont care about Win Loss prediction. I was just expecting something different. Oh Well.

Hey, thanks for the updated info. I wrote this several weeks ago so it's obviously fallen behind a bit. Would you care to provide a complete depth chart for folks? That would be great.

Oh Ok. That makes sense.

This is my take on the depth chart.

PG - Deron Williams / Jarrett Jack /Teague / Guitierez (Mostly Cut)
SG - Alan Anderson / Bojan Bogdanovic / Markel Brown
SF - Joe Johnson / Andrei Kirilenko / Sergey Karasev
PF - Kevin Garnett / Mirza Teletovic / Cory Jefferson
C - Brook Lopez / Mason Plumlee / MYSTERY GUY (Camp Invite)

But Hollins might want to go big and go with the Starting lineup

PG - Deron Williams / Jarrett Jack /Teague / Guitierez (Mostly Cut)
SG - Joe Johnson / Alan Anderson / Markel Brown
SF - Andrei Kirilenko / Bojan Bogdanovic / Sergey Karasev
PF - Kevin Garnett / Mirza Teletovic / Cory Jefferson
C - Brook Lopez / Mason Plumlee / MYSTERY GUY (Camp Invite)

The Nets have a lot of versatile players JJ (SG,SF), AK (SF.PF), KG (PF,C), Jack (PG, SG), AA (SG,SF), Boj (SG,SF), and Plum (PF,C).

Left Side Drive · Post #9 » by **Left Side Drive** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:24 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:
Left Side Drive wrote:Nets fans aren't going to be too thrilled with this lol.

A lot can happen during the course of a season but I still see the Nets pulling off at least 40 wins. Their team may not be contenders but they are still a playoff team.

I think both Floppy and I have them making the playoffs.

mb I see that now.

Imon · Post #10 » by **Imon** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:28 pm

If your projection is right this will make the Nets the worst 8th seed in the East since the 2003-04 Celtics went 36-46.

It's not uncommon that the 8th seed in the East finished under .500 (happens basically every 3 out of 4 years) but this is another level of bad.

Post #11 » by **floppymoose** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:30 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:I think both Floppy and I have them making the playoffs.

Yeah, they are my 8th seed in the East right now.

SIC · Post #12 » by **SIC** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:32 pm

Imon wrote:If your projection is right this will make the Nets the worst 8th seed in the East since the 2003-04 Celtics went 36-46.

It's not uncommon that the 8th seed in the East finished under .500 (happens basically every 3 out of 4 years) but this is another level of bad.

Based on what I have read on other Previews, they use some sort of analytics to create that Projected Win-Losses. So basically, correct me if I am wrong Jazz, they dont agree with what their calculations are projecting.

Post #13 » by **floppymoose** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:33 pm

Imon wrote:It's not uncommon that the 8th seed in the East finished under .500 (happens basically every 3 out of 4 years) but this is another level of bad.

I think the way I'm doing this has a better chance of getting the relative rankings of teams correct than it does predicting the exact win numbers. It's fun to fixate on the win totals because they are so concrete, but personally I'll be happy if I get the ordering mostly right.

suntzuballin · Post #14 » by **suntzuballin** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:34 pm

lopez will probly fetch you the most and is some what expendible due to mason plumlee..lopez, williams, and plumlee most value maybe jj.

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Gus Fring · Post #15 » by **Gus Fring** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:40 pm

I still don't understand how you guys think the hornets will be worse than the nets knicks and pistons

snomeister · Post #16 » by **snomeister** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:32 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v5H6OwB2mA[/youtube]

SIC · Post #17 » by **SIC** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:41 pm

snomeister wrote:[YouTube]http://youtu.be/4v5H6OwB2mA[/YouTube]

Those videos sure hype the NETS up. So much so Nets got to the second round.

wicked_crossova · Post #18 » by **wicked_crossova** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:09 pm

So the playoff teams in the east in this preview are

Cle
Chi
Tor
Wash
Miami
Atl
Ind
Brk

Post #19 » by **floppymoose** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:11 pm

Gus Fring wrote:I still don't understand how you guys think the hornets will be worse than the nets knicks and pistons

That's actually going to change. I don't think I had the minutes allocated well enough between the starters and backups in the first cut, and tuning that better looks like it gets the Hornets up one notch. It's still below what most folks expect though, so I'm pretty sure it will remain a controversial ranking even when we finalize.

Gus Fring · Post #20 » by **Gus Fring** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:24 am

floppymoose wrote:
Gus Fring wrote:I still don't understand how you guys think the hornets will be worse than the nets knicks and pistons

That's actually going to change. I don't think I had the minutes allocated well enough between the starters and backups in the first cut, and tuning that better looks like it gets the Hornets up one notch. It's still below what most folks expect though, so I'm pretty sure it will remain a controversial ranking even when we finalize.

I don't know, they definitely overachieved last year. But its alot better to overachieve with defense because it carries over very well game to game and season to season. I think they filled their team out well enough offensively, but they are gonna rely on their defense and I don't see it falling off from last year. Compared to teams like the Knicks and the Nets who, if they have a bad shooting night, are probably done, whereas the hornets can back up whatever offensive limitations they have with a solid defense in the east. Not trying to hate on your prediction though, I enjoy them.