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saloonyk8 wrote:
Time for us to pray this happens... Come on Hawks .....
Sounds perfect to me and we can possibly move John Collins for a future first.
D21 wrote:Geaux_Hawks wrote:If we could somehow swing Collins+picks for Murray, and then Cap+ for Ayton, we'd have a pretty strong, young core to work with. Would be expensive salary wise, but I think that's 3/5 of a starting lineup you pay the tax for. You can get some ring chasers with that kind of talent.
I really can't understand this hype for Ayton, he's good, but him at more than 30M is stupid. I will repeat it, but if PHX prefer Capela at 20M or Turner at 18M, there's a reason, and I'm sure it's not to spend less only.
If we trade for Ayton, we loose more assets than if we trade for Turner.
And more important, for the same money than Ayton, we can have Turner and sign Tucker (unless Ressler is OK to go above the Tax to pay Tucker, which I doubt he would before being sure that the roster can contend).
I take 100 times out of 100 a roster with 18M Turner+ 10M Tucker over 33M Ayton only
If we have Okongwu/Turner/Tucker, the lineup possibilities are insane, with only Okongwu not shooting 3s, great shot blockers with Okongwu and Turner (I repeat that Turner is the #1 in the league at making block without doing foul...) AND it looks more like the rotation that GSW and BOS had in these last NBA Finals than if we play with Ayton/Okongwu without Tucker
I may be wrong in the end, but I see no need for Ayton here, especially if we trade Capela for him, who cost less and had a better impact than him and might for some years again.
Geaux_Hawks wrote:Ayton is a real talent. Just not much else to say. He's disgruntled in PHX due to contract talks, and they've got others due an extension. So PHX would definitely take a cheaper option if it means Ayton wants out anyway.
I'd easily take the individual talent over a combo of guys not even close to him talent wise. Tucker's very overrated as far as his impact. I like Capela, but if it means getting a younger, more offensively talented center, whose got just as much defensive chops, then I will take Ayton. Clint's a better rebounder, but that's mostly due to him always just crashing the boards.
saloonyk8 wrote:You think Bulls would go for Patrick Williams and Caruso for John Collins?
Bleacher ReportJohn Collins and Dejounte Murray in a 3-Teamer
Hawks get: Murray and Matisse Thybulle
76ers get: Collins and Josh Richardson
Spurs get: Tobias Harris, Danilo Gallinari, two 2023 first-round picks (from Atlanta and from Atlanta via Charlotte) and a 2025 lottery-protected first-round pick (from Atlanta)
It defies belief that the Spurs would even consider moving Dejounte Murray, an apex-level defensive guard fresh off an All-Star age-25 season that featured averages of 21.1 points, 9.2 assists, 8.3 rebounds and a league-leading 2.0 steals per game. But top 2023 prospect Victor Wembanyama's game defies belief, too. If San Antonio is considering moving Murray to get the inside track on a 2022-23 tank, there's at least a semblance of justification. If losing on purpose isn't the point, we'll be left to wonder if Murray fell out of favor for some reason.
The Spurs can flip Harris, play him or buy him out. The other incoming player would function just fine as part of a tank, with the Spurs on the hook for only $5 million of Gallo's $21.5 million salary if they waive him by June 29. A buyout would be another option if a deal doesn't get done prior to the guarantee date. Those three picks would be the real prize for San Antonio.
From the Sixers' perspective, they'd get off Harris' contract and replace it with Collins', which runs longer but at a much lower figure ($23.5 million vs. $37.6 million in 2022-23) without surrendering draft equity to do it. Note, too, that Collins is five years younger than Harris. Richardson would fill a three-and-D spot on a reasonable and expiring $12.2 million salary.
The Hawks would get their man in Murray, whose defense makes him an ideal counterpart for Trae Young, plus another shutdown weapon in Thybulle.
None of this is perfect, but all parties involved would get something they want. The Murray-Hawks partnership, in particular, stands out as mutually beneficial.
Jamaaliver wrote:Bleacher ReportJohn Collins and Dejounte Murray in a 3-Teamer
Hawks get: Murray and Matisse Thybulle
76ers get: Collins and Josh Richardson
Spurs get: Tobias Harris, Danilo Gallinari, two 2023 first-round picks (from Atlanta and from Atlanta via Charlotte) and a 2025 lottery-protected first-round pick (from Atlanta)
From the Sixers' perspective, they'd get off Harris' contract and replace it with Collins', which runs longer but at a much lower figure ($23.5 million vs. $37.6 million in 2022-23) without surrendering draft equity to do it. Note, too, that Collins is five years younger than Harris. Richardson would fill a three-and-D spot on a reasonable and expiring $12.2 million salary.
The Hawks would get their man in Murray, whose defense makes him an ideal counterpart for Trae Young, plus another shutdown weapon in Thybulle.
None of this is perfect, but all parties involved would get something they want. The Murray-Hawks partnership, in particular, stands out as mutually beneficial.
jayu70 wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:Bleacher ReportJohn Collins and Dejounte Murray in a 3-Teamer
Hawks get: Murray and Matisse Thybulle
76ers get: Collins and Josh Richardson
Spurs get: Tobias Harris, Danilo Gallinari, two 2023 first-round picks (from Atlanta and from Atlanta via Charlotte) and a 2025 lottery-protected first-round pick (from Atlanta)
From the Sixers' perspective, they'd get off Harris' contract and replace it with Collins', which runs longer but at a much lower figure ($23.5 million vs. $37.6 million in 2022-23) without surrendering draft equity to do it. Note, too, that Collins is five years younger than Harris. Richardson would fill a three-and-D spot on a reasonable and expiring $12.2 million salary.
The Hawks would get their man in Murray, whose defense makes him an ideal counterpart for Trae Young, plus another shutdown weapon in Thybulle.
None of this is perfect, but all parties involved would get something they want. The Murray-Hawks partnership, in particular, stands out as mutually beneficial.
So the Sixers pay nothing to get off Harris?
Years90Suns wrote:Morris and Barton to Washington for KCP.
Bamba to Houston, probably.
I assumed we reached out to them as well. We can make something happen with the pieces we have and by adding picks. I'd hate to lose more first round picks but Kevin Durant is worth it.atlantabbq99 wrote:^ I assume the Hawks already offered Collins for Durant and the Hawks are just waiting for the Nets' counter offer...
atlantabbq99 wrote:^ I assume the Hawks already offered Collins for Durant and the Hawks are just waiting for the Nets' counter offer...
