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Re: Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice 

Post#1421 » by Spo COY » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:39 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:I wouldn’t be shocked to see some more new faces pop up after the free twitter publicity yesterday. Probably had a lot of google “What is RealGM” hits :lol:


Lmao, I did see RealGM pop up on Twitter yesterday morning -- made me check it out again. Was actually on this site pre-Heatles days iirc, maybe even shortly after. Hella bored with the offseason already so I decided to create an account and here we are.
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Re: Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice 

Post#1422 » by AirP. » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:42 pm

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This could be fun offseason if what is being said is correct.

Butler asks out of Chicago when they prioritized youth over winning.
Butler forced his way out of Minnesota when the owner prioritized youth over winning.
Butler got out of Philly when they prioritized youth over winning all season till it was win and go home and they put Simmons in the dunkers spot and gave Butler the ball only to lose to the eventual champs with that last Kawhi shot that kept bouncing till it went in.

Now.. in Miami, Butler in 3 years has gotten Miami team that was going NOWHERE to the finals and to game 7 of the ECF and once again it seems ownership is prioritizing youth(Herro) over winning with Butler. Oh, it could be fantastic in Miami this summer or next season especially with him still having issues with not making the finals this year and watching Robinson and Herro get paid and basically given all the chances they can to succeed.

The issue, I think the mainstream media would be on Butler's side this time. Oh, it could be a very bad offseason for Miami.
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Re: Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice 

Post#1423 » by greg4012 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:43 pm

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Herro extension is worth it considering what Brunson is about to get. His contract will also be easier to flip next year when extension kicks in.

Similar to the Robinson signing, that's a mistake. Herro is a victim on defense and too limited on the offensive end. Herro needs the ball in his hands in order to score enough to justify that salary, but he's not good enough to justify letting him dominate the ball that much.


Herro issues are fixable. If he can fix them then thats a value deal. But it makes no sense to sign an extension now. He's restricted next offseason. So no need for an extension. Just let him play for another season if he balls out in the playoffs then you pay what it takes to keep him. If he has a disappointing playoffs, you can get him for cheaper or you let him walk. The mistake isn't the deal its making a decision now when you don't need to


My main concern with Herro is that his mass and length are not fixable. He put on weight for this past season and couldn't keep it on. IDK. I hope he proves my concern wrong.
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Re: Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice 

Post#1424 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:44 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:I wouldn’t be shocked to see some more new faces pop up after the free twitter publicity yesterday. Probably had a lot of google “What is RealGM” hits :lol:


Lmao, I did see RealGM pop up on Twitter yesterday morning -- made me check it out again. Was actually on this site pre-Heatles days iirc, maybe even shortly after. Hella bored with the offseason already so I decided to create an account and here we are.

That’s great. Welcome back! Even when things get slow this board always finds a way to be entertaining.
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Re: Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice 

Post#1425 » by BFRESH44 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:44 pm

BFRESH44 wrote:There’s a certain segment of this fanbase (the delusional variety), who is going to be highly upset when this organization continues to push internal growth with this core group(Yeah, that Herro extension is coming too), and maybe some mid level veteran adds, and some medium trade for a solid veteran (using Duncan and a pick as bait)….and I’m lowkey going to enjoy it. Because you dudes love to set yourself up for disappointment.


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Re: Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice 

Post#1426 » by greg4012 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:45 pm

Spo COY wrote:I think Oladipo is gone and I'm not super sad about it. I don't think he moves the needle in terms of Miami's title hopes. They should prioritize Tucker's contract and/or the Herro extension. Oladipo was awesome in spurts, but as good as we was in the ECF, I thought he was getting blown by quite a bit too. If they can get him for under 8-9 mil, go for it. Anything more is an overpay imo.


Navigating the salary cap rules is far more important for an over the cap team than the actual numbers of the salary. In VO's case, it makes little sense to just let him walk.
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Re: Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice 

Post#1427 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:45 pm

BFRESH44 wrote:
BFRESH44 wrote:There’s a certain segment of this fanbase (the delusional variety), who is going to be highly upset when this organization continues to push internal growth with this core group(Yeah, that Herro extension is coming too), and maybe some mid level veteran adds, and some medium trade for a solid veteran (using Duncan and a pick as bait)….and I’m lowkey going to enjoy it. Because you dudes love to set yourself up for disappointment.


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Re: Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice 

Post#1428 » by greg4012 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:47 pm

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Tim knows

No prediction on a Duncan move. If the summer looks like what Tim predicts + a couple of vet min signings thats going to be a tough sell to this fanbase.

No way, if this happens it would be the FO placating the fans, they moved Nunn to not compete against Herro for time and it's quite possible they'll let Oladipo go so Herro doesn't have to compete against him for the starting role so Riley can say Herro won the staring position(we just got rid of all his competition) and justify giving him money. What's the worst that can happen, he just joins an expanding list of recently overpaid Miami guys... Whiteside, Waiters, T.Johnson, J.Johnson, D.Robinson and quite possibly T.Herro. Maybe Vincent can join that list next seasons, they already turned away from signing Dragic for the minimum last season to make sure Vincent didn't have competition.


Riley went subtle savage on Herro and the other traffic cone defenders in the offseason pressers. Doesn't seem consistent
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Re: Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice 

Post#1429 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:50 pm

BFRESH44 wrote:
BFRESH44 wrote:There’s a certain segment of this fanbase (the delusional variety), who is going to be highly upset when this organization continues to push internal growth with this core group(Yeah, that Herro extension is coming too), and maybe some mid level veteran adds, and some medium trade for a solid veteran (using Duncan and a pick as bait)….and I’m lowkey going to enjoy it. Because you dudes love to set yourself up for disappointment.


Lmao


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Re: Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice 

Post#1430 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:51 pm

“Hey it’s looking like I was right, our team STILL isn’t going to be good enough. Yay for me!”
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Re: Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice 

Post#1431 » by oreon » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:59 pm

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This could be fun offseason if what is being said is correct.

Butler asks out of Chicago when they prioritized youth over winning.
Butler forced his way out of Minnesota when the owner prioritized youth over winning.
Butler got out of Philly when they prioritized youth over winning all season till it was win and go home and they put Simmons in the dunkers spot and gave Butler the ball only to lose to the eventual champs with that last Kawhi shot that kept bouncing till it went in.

Now.. in Miami, Butler in 3 years has gotten Miami team that was going NOWHERE to the finals and to game 7 of the ECF and once again it seems ownership is prioritizing youth(Herro) over winning with Butler. Oh, it could be fantastic in Miami this summer or next season especially with him still having issues with not making the finals this year and watching Robinson and Herro get paid and basically given all the chances they can to succeed.

The issue, I think the mainstream media would be on Butler's side this time. Oh, it could be a very bad offseason for Miami.


The organization has made moves to win but it hasn't worked out. We traded Winslow + some stuff for Crowder, got Iggy and made the run in the bubble.
The year after FO took a gamble on Giannis and it didn't work out
Year after that, traded Precious for Lowry (Butlers's BFF) & got PJ in FA, Lowry, Herro, Bam disappointed in playoffs.
We have moved young player for vets. Just because we haven't gotten over the hill doesn't mean they are not trying. Your issue is with Herro but he's not alone in why we didn't beat the Celts.
The overall issue is the Heats trades & FA signings stratergy makes it hard to be a contender for several years. The best way to contend over a couple years is to draft a franchise player and 2nd star, and then you can easily build a contender around that.
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Re: Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice 

Post#1432 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:00 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:“Hey it’s looking like I was right, our team STILL isn’t going to be good enough. Yay for me!”

It was the most realistic outlook if you truly looked at things for what they were. Everything else was fantasy land. I don’t think it was or is lack of trying. It takes two to tango. When you realize we have 29 other dance partners in the field sometimes things need to set up perfectly for things to happen. Right now things haven’t worked out but something along the lines of what Fresh stated has a more realistic chance of happening whether we like it or not.
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Re: Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice 

Post#1433 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:02 pm

I will say I talked to Adam last night on Twitter and he gave me the name they were talking about and a little more info on what we’re trying to do with Duncan to help facilitate it with a 3rd team. Sounds a little like what IceColds guy has been saying in that regard.

He came back about 20 minutes after telling me and asked me not to post the name in the forum because too many people are watching now after the back and forth last night. So because of that I won’t reveal the name right now, I don’t want to screw up is getting any info from them in the future. I’ll give the name in the near future when we have an answer on whether or not it’s going to happen.

Very solid pick up if it happens though, you all will be happy with it
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Re: Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice 

Post#1434 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:04 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:I will say I talked to Adam last night on Twitter and he gave me the name they were talking about and a little more info on what we’re trying to do with Duncan to help facilitate it with a 3rd team. Sounds a little like what IceColds guy has been saying in that regard.

He came back about 20 minutes after telling me and asked me not to post the name in the forum because too many people are watching now after the back and forth last night. So because of that I won’t reveal the name right now, I don’t want to screw up is getting any info from them in the future. I’ll give the name in the near future when we have an answer on whether or not it’s going to happen.

Very solid pick up if it happens though, you all will be happy with it

Can i get a position please. Maybe height and weight as well?
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Post#1435 » by Beenie » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:05 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:I will say I talked to Adam last night on Twitter and he gave me the name they were talking about and a little more info on what we’re trying to do with Duncan to help facilitate it with a 3rd team. Sounds a little like what IceColds guy has been saying in that regard.

He came back about 20 minutes after telling me and asked me not to post the name in the forum because too many people are watching now after the back and forth last night. So because of that I won’t reveal the name right now, I don’t want to screw up is getting any info from them in the future. I’ll give the name in the near future when we have an answer on whether or not it’s going to happen.

Very solid pick up if it happens though, you all will be happy with it


Adam is doing a spaces tonight. If the intel hasn't leaked by then, I'd expect him to get pushed to reveal what he's hearing there.
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Re: Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice 

Post#1437 » by BFRESH44 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:10 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
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BFRESH44 wrote:There’s a certain segment of this fanbase (the delusional variety), who is going to be highly upset when this organization continues to push internal growth with this core group(Yeah, that Herro extension is coming too), and maybe some mid level veteran adds, and some medium trade for a solid veteran (using Duncan and a pick as bait)….and I’m lowkey going to enjoy it. Because you dudes love to set yourself up for disappointment.


Lmao


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Post#1438 » by Daffy » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:11 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:I will say I talked to Adam last night on Twitter and he gave me the name they were talking about and a little more info on what we’re trying to do with Duncan to help facilitate it with a 3rd team. Sounds a little like what IceColds guy has been saying in that regard.

He came back about 20 minutes after telling me and asked me not to post the name in the forum because too many people are watching now after the back and forth last night. So because of that I won’t reveal the name right now, I don’t want to screw up is getting any info from them in the future. I’ll give the name in the near future when we have an answer on whether or not it’s going to happen.

Very solid pick up if it happens though, you all will be happy with it

Can i get a position please. Maybe height and weight as well?


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Re: Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice 

Post#1439 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:13 pm

Daffy wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:I will say I talked to Adam last night on Twitter and he gave me the name they were talking about and a little more info on what we’re trying to do with Duncan to help facilitate it with a 3rd team. Sounds a little like what IceColds guy has been saying in that regard.

He came back about 20 minutes after telling me and asked me not to post the name in the forum because too many people are watching now after the back and forth last night. So because of that I won’t reveal the name right now, I don’t want to screw up is getting any info from them in the future. I’ll give the name in the near future when we have an answer on whether or not it’s going to happen.

Very solid pick up if it happens though, you all will be happy with it

Can i get a position please. Maybe height and weight as well?


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Re: Offseason Thread 2022 Vol 2- Sardines on Ice 

Post#1440 » by AirP. » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:13 pm

oreon wrote:
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This could be fun offseason if what is being said is correct.

Butler asks out of Chicago when they prioritized youth over winning.
Butler forced his way out of Minnesota when the owner prioritized youth over winning.
Butler got out of Philly when they prioritized youth over winning all season till it was win and go home and they put Simmons in the dunkers spot and gave Butler the ball only to lose to the eventual champs with that last Kawhi shot that kept bouncing till it went in.

Now.. in Miami, Butler in 3 years has gotten Miami team that was going NOWHERE to the finals and to game 7 of the ECF and once again it seems ownership is prioritizing youth(Herro) over winning with Butler. Oh, it could be fantastic in Miami this summer or next season especially with him still having issues with not making the finals this year and watching Robinson and Herro get paid and basically given all the chances they can to succeed.

The issue, I think the mainstream media would be on Butler's side this time. Oh, it could be a very bad offseason for Miami.


The organization has made moves to win but it hasn't worked out. We traded Winslow + some stuff for Crowder, got Iggy and made the run in the bubble.

Miami traded an injured Winslow, and players they overpaid and wouldn't use in Johnson and Waiters, it was a **** trade and refused to give Gallinari an extension (because of Giannis watch) which is why they ended up with Crowder.
The year after FO took a gamble on Giannis and it didn't work out.

Right, they passed on CP3 because his 3rd year went into that 2021 summer. How bad of a risk was it to think Giannis would leave the summer of his max extension, at worse he'd leave the year after, what a bad move by Miami's FO which I mentioned before it even happened.
Year after that, traded Precious for Lowry (Butlers's BFF) & got PJ in FA, Lowry, Herro, Bam disappointed in playoffs.

Yes, Miami traded a 35 year old PG who was Butler's BF in Miami and Precious who was Bam's backup for 34 year old Lowry. Not really a great move. Precious is a solid player but Miami utilized it's only 1st round pick for 2 years on Bam's backup and then found out a legit sized vet was good enough.
We have moved young player for vets. Just because we haven't gotten over the hill doesn't mean they are not trying. Your issue is with Herro but he's not alone in why we didn't beat the Celts.

Not just Herro but Vincent also who they didn't want a vet min Dragic to take any of his minutes. The point is Miami has had assets to strengthen the roster for a championship run and haven't.
The overall issue is the Heats trades & FA signings stratergy makes it hard to be a contender for several years. The best way to contend over a couple years is to draft a franchise player and 2nd star, and then you can easily build a contender around that.

Not draft... acquire, you know like you did with Butler, Lebron and Bosh. Miami acquired Butler who has helped carry this team to the ECF 2 out of 3 years and to the finals once of those 3 years missing a 2nd time by a few points. Instead of going for it, Miami is clearing out quality players to stay under the tax and give Herro and Vincent... and even Robinson(they pushed Strus back till the starters spoke up) no real competition to keep their roles to get their minutes/stats. I see this as NO DIFFERNT situation as it's been for Butler in Chicago, Minnesota and Philly, ownership is looking at potential vs winning championships. Hopefully Miami can cash out Butler for some assets and you can move to the Miami Bam and Herro era.

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