WHY DIDN'T WE DRAFT JABARI SMITH?

[Skybox]

I love how narration shifted after they picked Banchero.
While Smith was clearly no 1 for most Magic fans and poll here showed like what 70% in favor or Smith?
Now after the pick was made and it isnt Smith narration shifted and now Suddenly Smith is just one dimentional scrub ...not even sure worthy of lotto pick if you read some comments XD....
its funny...how quickly he went from hero to zero

It's not really unique to Magic fans though. Rockets are doing the same thing because they were obsessed with Banchero.

You know what'd be great...if people would be able to change their minds with new information.

Basketball being the least important example.

[RookieStar]

I love how narration shifted after they picked Banchero.
While Smith was clearly no 1 for most Magic fans and poll here showed like what 70% in favor or Smith?
Now after the pick was made and it isnt Smith narration shifted and now Suddenly Smith is just one dimentional scrub ...not even sure worthy of lotto pick if you read some comments XD....
its funny...how quickly he went from hero to zero

It's not really unique to Magic fans though. Rockets are doing the same thing because they were obsessed with Banchero.

You know what'd be great...if people would be able to change their minds with new information.

Basketball being the least important example.

Yeah. Im all for changing minds/opinions based with new information. Like I kept saying before the draft, I had Chet slightly over Jabari BUT it can change anytime. Then nearing the draft I said, any of the three is fine by me, they all bring something to the table. However, I just don't like it if posters here bash the other players we didn't pick.

[Furinkazan]

I love how narration shifted after they picked Banchero.
While Smith was clearly no 1 for most Magic fans and poll here showed like what 70% in favor or Smith?
Now after the pick was made and it isnt Smith narration shifted and now Suddenly Smith is just one dimentional scrub ...not even sure worthy of lotto pick if you read some comments XD....
its funny...how quickly he went from hero to zero

It's not really unique to Magic fans though. Rockets are doing the same thing because they were obsessed with Banchero.

You know what'd be great...if people would be able to change their minds with new information.

Basketball being the least important example.

what new info?
it was new result not new info...info stayed the same the result was different

[Skybox]

It's not really unique to Magic fans though. Rockets are doing the same thing because they were obsessed with Banchero.

You know what'd be great...if people would be able to change their minds with new information.

Basketball being the least important example.

what new info?
it was new result not new info...info stayed the same the result was different

I can only speak for myself but I know more today than I did two weeks ago. I don't feel like I knew everything there is to know about all of the prospects or our plans - still don't.

I try not to make decisions and THEN find facts to support them in my life.

[pepe1991]

I love how narration shifted after they picked Banchero.
While Smith was clearly no 1 for most Magic fans and poll here showed like what 70% in favor or Smith?
Now after the pick was made and it isnt Smith narration shifted and now Suddenly Smith is just one dimentional scrub ...not even sure worthy of lotto pick if you read some comments XD....
its funny...how quickly he went from hero to zero

It's not really unique to Magic fans though. Rockets are doing the same thing because they were obsessed with Banchero.

You know what'd be great...if people would be able to change their minds with new information.

Basketball being the least important example.

But there is no new informations. it's just your ( not yours, i'm generalizing) team picking guy you didn't want, assuming they won't take him, being replaced for guy you wanted, because you thought they will take him.

And for majority of people that's enough to go 180 on opinions about players.

And it comes back to logical opinion: do people here think XY player is better prospect than he was yesterday by just putting jersey of YX team?
it seems that it's all it takes to change opinion, not with new information, at least not with valuable new information, rather personal bias.

[Skybox]

It's not really unique to Magic fans though. Rockets are doing the same thing because they were obsessed with Banchero.

You know what'd be great...if people would be able to change their minds with new information.

Basketball being the least important example.

But there is no new informations. it's just your ( not yours, i'm generalizing) team picking guy you didn't want, assuming they won't take him, being replaced for guy you wanted, because you thought they will take him.

And for majority of people that's enough to go 180 on opinions about players.

And it comes back to logical opinion: do people here think XY player is better prospect than he was yesterday by just putting jersey of YX team?
it seems that it's all it takes to change opinion, not with new information, at least not with valuable new information, rather personal bias.

It's definitely possible that you don't know jack s**t about me or my decision-making process.

I've included in many threads my explanation that I wanted Jabari because we desperately need shooting after many years of desperately needing shooting. Jabari fit our roster, would drop right in and make all of our incomplete non-shooting players look better. After selecting Banchero, I looked harder and realized that Jabari was the easy, lazy, safe, convenient pick and that drafting Paolo was the biggest upside move but would require other changes. (I should add that I never slammed Banchero and even suggested that, wherever he got picked - he was the likely ROY). I now believe that Banchero WILL be the best player taken, possibly by a mile, but not if the team isn't somewhat restructured to support his elite talents. Many here, including you, labeled Jabari as good, but limited...I'm generally risk-averse in business, so part of my original desire for Jabari was the very very high floor. Basketball is entertainment and nothing more, so when the FO showed more balls and vision than I did, I came around. Do you forgive me for reconsidering the situation? I'm one of those dumb fans who actually consider that NBA lifers MIGHT know a little more than me...I can't casually dismiss Vuc being twice selected to the All-Star team by actual NBA coaches, and I can't casually dismiss Marcus Smart when he was just voted DPOY...I disagree with plenty but I consider other viewpoints too. Maybe try it.

[pepe1991]

You know what'd be great...if people would be able to change their minds with new information.

Basketball being the least important example.

But there is no new informations. it's just your ( not yours, i'm generalizing) team picking guy you didn't want, assuming they won't take him, being replaced for guy you wanted, because you thought they will take him.

And for majority of people that's enough to go 180 on opinions about players.

And it comes back to logical opinion: do people here think XY player is better prospect than he was yesterday by just putting jersey of YX team?
it seems that it's all it takes to change opinion, not with new information, at least not with valuable new information, rather personal bias.

It's definitely possible that you don't know jack s**t about me or my decision-making process.

I've included in many threads my explanation that I wanted Jabari because we desperately need shooting after many years of desperately needing shooting. Jabari fit our roster, would drop right in and make all of our incomplete non-shooting players look better. After selecting Banchero, I looked harder and realized that Jabari was the easy, lazy, safe, convenient pick and that drafting Paolo was the biggest upside move but would require other changes. (I should add that I never slammed Banchero and even suggested that, wherever he got picked - he was the likely ROY). I now believe that Banchero WILL be the best player taken, possibly by a mile, but not if the team isn't somewhat restructured to support his elite talents. Many here, including you, labeled Jabari as good, but limited...I'm generally risk-averse in business, so part of my original desire for Jabari was the very very high floor. Basketball is entertainment and nothing more, so when the FO showed more balls and vision than I did, I came around. Do you forgive me for reconsidering the situation? I'm one of those dumb fans who actually consider that NBA lifers MIGHT know a little more than me...I can't casually dismiss Vuc being twice selected to the All-Star team by actual NBA coaches, and I can't casually dismiss Marcus Smart when he was just voted DPOY...I disagree with plenty but I consider other viewpoints too. Maybe try it.

For start, my reply wasn't personal.

It's possible i don't know anything about your decision making process but you implied opinons should change based on new informations. There haven't been any new informations so your opinion is changed based on "new information" but not about players, but about teams who get them.
Witch sounds like bias, because it is bias.

Paolo Banchero was viewed as 3rd prospect in Chet- Jabari- Banchero tercet because there is lot of question marks and red flags that he brings, moreso than Chet or Jabari.

I pretty much always pointed out that to me Jabari is good pick... for team with elite center. Witch, Magic don't have, so it made no sense to me. In same sense i don't think Chet would be better "fit" , but neither is Banchero.
However ,Banchero is worst fit for current roster because he is player that needs shooting around him. Magic have non of it.

[Knightro]

I do think consciously or subconsciously there’s a desire for people to want things they expect to happen to work out.

All we heard for basically a month straight was that Jabari was going to be the pick. When you have that feeling of inevitability, of course you start convincing yourself it’s correct.

I had Jabari (and Chet) ahead of Banchero, but I was never *down* on Banchero. I just think he has more noticeable flaws that need to be addressed than the others.

[Skybox]

But there is no new informations. it's just your ( not yours, i'm generalizing) team picking guy you didn't want, assuming they won't take him, being replaced for guy you wanted, because you thought they will take him.

And for majority of people that's enough to go 180 on opinions about players.

And it comes back to logical opinion: do people here think XY player is better prospect than he was yesterday by just putting jersey of YX team?
it seems that it's all it takes to change opinion, not with new information, at least not with valuable new information, rather personal bias.

It's definitely possible that you don't know jack s**t about me or my decision-making process.

I've included in many threads my explanation that I wanted Jabari because we desperately need shooting after many years of desperately needing shooting. Jabari fit our roster, would drop right in and make all of our incomplete non-shooting players look better. After selecting Banchero, I looked harder and realized that Jabari was the easy, lazy, safe, convenient pick and that drafting Paolo was the biggest upside move but would require other changes. (I should add that I never slammed Banchero and even suggested that, wherever he got picked - he was the likely ROY). I now believe that Banchero WILL be the best player taken, possibly by a mile, but not if the team isn't somewhat restructured to support his elite talents. Many here, including you, labeled Jabari as good, but limited...I'm generally risk-averse in business, so part of my original desire for Jabari was the very very high floor. Basketball is entertainment and nothing more, so when the FO showed more balls and vision than I did, I came around. Do you forgive me for reconsidering the situation? I'm one of those dumb fans who actually consider that NBA lifers MIGHT know a little more than me...I can't casually dismiss Vuc being twice selected to the All-Star team by actual NBA coaches, and I can't casually dismiss Marcus Smart when he was just voted DPOY...I disagree with plenty but I consider other viewpoints too. Maybe try it.

For start, my reply wasn't personal.

It's possible i don't know anything about your decision making process but you implied opinons should change based on new informations. There haven't been any new informations so your opinion is changed based on "new information" but not about players, but about teams who get them.
Witch sounds like bias, because it is bias.

Paolo Banchero was viewed as 3rd prospect in Chet- Jabari- Banchero tercet because there is lot of question marks and red flags that he brings, moreso than Chet or Jabari.

I pretty much always pointed out that to me Jabari is good pick... for team with elite center. Witch, Magic don't have, so it made no sense to me. In same sense i don't think Chet would be better "fit" , but neither is Banchero.
However ,Banchero is worst fit for current roster because he is player that needs shooting around him. Magic have non of it.

I know it wasn't personal and I wouldn't care if it was...I guess I was speaking on behalf of anyone who's gotten behind the pick and fleshed out their understanding of how it could (or could not) work out. You're definitely one who believes you know a ton more than the rest of us fools...and that's part of your charm. Kind of like Simon Cowell playing the d**k role on whatever show he's on now. Honestly, this place would be pretty dry without your consistently, and to a ridiculous extent, dismissal of everyone who ever laced them up at any level (except Luka, I guess).

I agree that Banchero is the worst fit for our current roster, that's kind of the point of my change of heart. Why would anyone with any reasonable aspirations care about fitting into the worst team in the NBA. Jabari was the easy, lazy, "fit" pick...he still may be really good. Banchero is the likeliest MVP of the trio and Chet is still the likeliest bust. Good chance all 3 will be very good. Magic will continue to suck if they don't adapt their roster to Banchero. He's got to be "The Guy" we've been waiting for. We've got to be committed to that. If ORL forces Paolo to fit our team, they should have taken Jabari...I hope that's not the case

[jezzerinho]

I don't see any reason to change my opinion on the 3 guys post draft because there isn't really any new information available.

I still have it
Chet
Paolo
Jabari

Jabari is too one dimensional offensively. If for any reason his shooting goes off the boil, he has NOTHING to fall back on. He's not #1 pick material, esp when the team picking at #1 generally needs a star.

I have the same question about Paolo that I had from the start:

If his offensive footwork is so immaculate (and it is), why is his defensive footwork so sluggish?

If Paolo can answer that question with better defensive effort, then I think he's the best player in the draft for the Magic

Chet is still my #1. But if the FO are adamant on the frontcourt taking the ball-handling load so they can accommodate Suggs plus a shooter in the backcourt, then Chet isn't as good a fit for the Magic. I'd have maybe gone a different direction with the roster build but i think their reasoning is at least valid.

[Audi]

I have the same question about Paolo that I had from the start:

If his offensive footwork is so immaculate (and it is), why is his defensive footwork so sluggish?

If Paolo can answer that question with better defensive effort, then I think he's the best player in the draft for the Magic

From what I understand, Paolo is a pretty decent individual defender - rather it's team defense where he struggles. To me, that's more of a mental/situational/awareness issue.

[zaymon]

I have the same question about Paolo that I had from the start:

If his offensive footwork is so immaculate (and it is), why is his defensive footwork so sluggish?

If Paolo can answer that question with better defensive effort, then I think he's the best player in the draft for the Magic

From what I understand, Paolo is a pretty decent individual defender - rather it's team defense where he struggles. To me, that's more of a mental/situational/awareness issue.

Paolo was amazing iso defender.
He is quite similar to AG who was great 1vs1 but missed rotations regularly. You can work with that.

[BaunceyChillups]

Paolo's primary defensive weaknesses are team related--ball-watching and he doesn't have natural weakside rim protection instincts which is something he'll need to improve since he will play some 5 (despite this, averaged almost a block a game at Duke). On-ball he can get flat-footed at times but if he's in a proper stance he can move his feet well enough to keep up with guards.