Shams: Jalen Brunson to New York on 4 year/$104m deal

[stuporman]

The media has noted how the Brunson signing isn't getting as much fanfare than I guess they think should be getting it while also simultaneously saying calm down Knicks fans it's only Brunson not LeBron.

Is it possible that Knick fans are tired of being told how they feel about what the team does? Getting told stories to reinforce the narrative the media wants that loves an angry Knicks fan clicks things so it's keeps them angry.

Awaken from the matrix

[rickxdel]

I'll just say what I've been sayin all along.

I like Brunson as a player. He's going to help this team a lot for sure. I don't mind paying that much, and it's probably not even an overpay in the modern NBA.

However, if this FO spent the last 3 seasons' worth of moves just to bring in Brunson while at the same time hurting our youth movement and losing the margins I'm going to be disappointed.

I think we can win ~45ish games if things break right for us. That's not what I want from this team though.

I really hope we get rid of randle this season. I just don't see a top 3 of Randle/Brunson/RJ getting us anywhere near where we want to go.

In the meantime, looking forward to see what Brunson can do with the keys to an offense.

Hopefully they're smart enough to trade Randle at any stretch where he is playing well and raising back his value

[dakomish23]

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With all the hilariously bad contracts we’ve had, I found this shocking

[dakomish23]

Was listening to the KFTV show and I think it was JD who kept bringing up only one ball. RJ gonna have the ball in his hands a lot. Obviously Brunson.

So I’m wondering if the Knicks should be starting Obi & Grimes. Throw in Mitch and you have 3 guys out there who play off people and might max out the output from Brunson RJ. Plus that team could play fast.

Put Randle and Fournier on the bench with Cam Hart IQ.

Idk it seems like both 5 man units would be better fits.

[Oscirus]

The media has noted how the Brunson signing isn't getting as much fanfare than I guess they think should be getting it while also simultaneously saying calm down Knicks fans it's only Brunson not LeBron.

Is it possible that Knick fans are tired of being told how they feel about what the team does? Getting told stories to reinforce the narrative the media wants that loves an angry Knicks fan clicks things so it's keeps them angry.

Awaken from the matrix

I just saw some espn show that called this a bad signing merely cuz the knicks did it. Regardless of what we do it'll be seen as bad.

Watch on YouTube

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[Bob Ross]

The media has noted how the Brunson signing isn't getting as much fanfare than I guess they think should be getting it while also simultaneously saying calm down Knicks fans it's only Brunson not LeBron.

Is it possible that Knick fans are tired of being told how they feel about what the team does? Getting told stories to reinforce the narrative the media wants that loves an angry Knicks fan clicks things so it's keeps them angry.

Awaken from the matrix

I just saw some espn show that called this a bad signing merely cuz the knicks did it. Regardless of what we do it'll be seen as bad.

Watch on YouTube

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I heard that as well. They considered a good value contract and an asset for basically any team but the Knicks. Wtf

[Jstock12]

This is a move in the right direction, young PG with advanced stats that say he can do a lot more.

Legit tough guy too. He's scrappy.

And not in a fake-tough/unhinged Reggie Bullock, Julius Randle against the Hawks kind of a way.

The Knicks version of Kyle Lowry

[HopelessKnick]

This is the kind of move you make when you have a first option in place.

The positives of Brunson are that he has solid efficiency on offense and does not turn the ball over. He has also proved that he can be efficient:

a) without Luca
b) in the playoffs

I read some stats months ago that he is the best or among the best midrange shooters in the game and his 3-point shot is also rock solid. He has strong footwork and and a good floater. So overall on offense he is indeed pretty good.--not elite like Steph, Lillard etc. but still pretty good.

Negatives:

Defense---you'd think that he is tough and at least an above average defender, but he really isn't.
Athleticism---he is neither quick nor explosive, somewhat limiting him. I noticed during the playoffs that he had to work extremely hard for his shot.

Overall I'd say he is worth 4years/90mill. at max. so the Knicks overpaid. I think realistically he could average 22/8 throughout the season.

Overall grade: C (just for the fact that the Knicks haven't had a good, healthy starting calibur PG for ages).

[HopelessKnick]

This is a move in the right direction, young PG with advanced stats that say he can do a lot more.

Legit tough guy too. He's scrappy.

And not in a fake-tough/unhinged Reggie Bullock, Julius Randle against the Hawks kind of a way.

The Knicks version of Kyle Lowry

Actually they do not have that much in common (size aside). Lowry in his younger years was quicker and more explosive but played also way more out of control. He was a worse shooter than Brunson as well. However Lowry was much better defensively.

[Jstock12]

Legit tough guy too. He's scrappy.

And not in a fake-tough/unhinged Reggie Bullock, Julius Randle against the Hawks kind of a way.

The Knicks version of Kyle Lowry

Actually they do not have that much in common (size aside). Lowry in his younger years was quicker and more explosive but played also way more out of control. He was a worse shooter than Brunson as well. However Lowry was much better defensively.

Yeah I was more referring to their mentality I guess. Both have tough mindsets.

[HopelessKnick]

The Knicks version of Kyle Lowry

Actually they do not have that much in common (size aside). Lowry in his younger years was quicker and more explosive but played also way more out of control. He was a worse shooter than Brunson as well. However Lowry was much better defensively.

Yeah I was more referring to their mentality I guess. Both have tough mindsets.

Ah ok understood.

Don't get me wrong, I do like Brunson as a player and he seems like the unafraid, unintimidated type of player that won't crumble under pressure. Whether it is the right move, price at the right time remains to be seen.

Overall having a true, capable starting caliber PG that is a low turnover guy, solid playmaker and good shooter is very positive. He is also offensively a good fit next to Rose as he is accustomed to playing off ball as well.

[HarthorneWingo]

This is a move in the right direction, young PG with advanced stats that say he can do a lot more.

Legit tough guy too. He's scrappy.

And not in a fake-tough/unhinged Reggie Bullock, Julius Randle against the Hawks kind of a way.

The Knicks version of Kyle Lowry

Villanova

[knicks94]

Damn, Brunson must have read the Jerome James/Eddy Curry playbook on how to steal money from Dolan.

[HopelessKnick]

Damn, Brunson must have read the Jerome James/Eddy Curry playbook on how to steal money from Dolan.

I dislike Leon Rose and am no fan of this FO at all and fully agree that we overpaid. That being said the comparison to Jerome James is completely ridiculous. Curry had a lot of talent but was never interested in playing basketball unfortunately. Both those scenarios are completely different.

[bearadonisdna]

Dallas board or our board not even talking about tampering ,
It’s just the GB , those dude got old man at clouds syndrome , they kinda washed up on direction of narratives.

Things were getting better but they reverted back quick , next thing you know shaq and Hakeem are gonna be better than wilt and bill Russ again and it ain’t even close

[Reign23]

I think Brunson is a top 6-7 value PG if you consider a)money b)skill c)age.

[knicks94]

Damn, Brunson must have read the Jerome James/Eddy Curry playbook on how to steal money from Dolan.

I dislike Leon Rose and am no fan of this FO at all and fully agree that we overpaid. That being said the comparison to Jerome James is completely ridiculous. Curry had a lot of talent but was never interested in playing basketball unfortunately. Both those scenarios are completely different.

The comparison isn't to James/Curry and Brunson as players, but to how the Knicks seem to quickly open up their wallets whenever a player has a career year. I'm not saying that Brunson cannot be a productive player, but I am not fully convinced that this move will workout in the long run based on the track record of how this front office has done business for the past 20 years.

[thebuzzardman]

Brunson best Knick PG under the age of 30 since ?

[Adelheid]

since Marbury

[HopelessKnick]

Damn, Brunson must have read the Jerome James/Eddy Curry playbook on how to steal money from Dolan.

I dislike Leon Rose and am no fan of this FO at all and fully agree that we overpaid. That being said the comparison to Jerome James is completely ridiculous. Curry had a lot of talent but was never interested in playing basketball unfortunately. Both those scenarios are completely different.

The comparison isn't to James/Curry and Brunson as players, but to how the Knicks seem to quickly open up their wallets whenever a player has a career year. I'm not saying that Brunson cannot be a productive player, but I am not fully convinced that this move will workout in the long run based on the track record of how this front office has done business for the past 20 years.

I understand this sentiment generally and I don't really endorse the signing. I do however think that in regards to Brunson some of the stuff that he provides are clearly not once-in-a-career-typ-outliers. He has always been rather efficient shooting and scoring the ball. He has always took care of the ball. He has improved his game over 4 years steadily and has a lot of skills and a good head on his sholders.

I'm with you generally that Knick FO has been terrible, but I'm pretty sure that the odds of Brunson dissapointing (in what he provides on the court) is generally low. Still overpaid some but it genuinely seems that the Knicks' organizational reputation is so terrible and bad that signing anything more than a 2nd/3rd option seems impossible. I personally would have gone the tanking route for a couple top 5 draft picks, just to be clear , but Brunson itself will be a solid player. He really is a good player, it is not some flukish bull run. He was even able to improve his output throughout the playoffs, which is actually rare, even for better players.