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Re: Welcome to the Sixers, PJ Tucker 

Post#41 » by Arsenal » Fri Jul 1, 2022 1:53 am

spikeslovechild wrote:Issue with Tucker is he will barely play in the playoffs. Harris and Embiid are our PF/C. We basically signed another washed Amir Johnson. Why god why


Wrong. He'll play a lot in the playoffs. That's why they signed him. He can defend either forward spot and really any position.

His regular season mins will likely be limited.
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Re: Welcome to the Sixers, PJ Tucker 

Post#43 » by 76ciology » Fri Jul 1, 2022 2:40 am

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spikeslovechild wrote:Issue with Tucker is he will barely play in the playoffs. Harris and Embiid are our PF/C. We basically signed another washed Amir Johnson. Why god why


Wrong. He'll play a lot in the playoffs. That's why they signed him. He can defend either forward spot and really any position.

His regular season mins will likely be limited.


Yes, I think Tobi will be paired with either Tucker and Melton.

Tucker plays the Green role & minutes
Melton plays the Thybulle role&minutes
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Post#44 » by ckchen » Fri Jul 1, 2022 3:24 am

stormi wrote:Y'all think y'all are mad now. Just wait until Windy and Woj drop the Eric Gordon bomb.


There's no Eric Gordon bomb coming. There's actually no financial way you can get Eric Gordon onto this team unless it involves moving Tobi, and there's no reason for the Rockets to take on Tobi's even more onerous contract when they're trying to get rid of Gordon's. Unless there's a convoluted 3 team deal where Team #3 ends up with Tobi and has the cap space to absorb the difference, I frankly don't see how it could happen even if anyone wanted it to, since we no longer have the draft capital to trade to convince anyone to do so. You can't add up enough contracts on the Sixers to even come close to the $20M that Gordon is making, and frankly all of these deals they made today, and Harden's eventual re-signing will have the team way up against the hard cap. I don't see how any moves that don't involve shedding salary happen for the rest of the offseason.
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Re: Welcome to the Sixers, PJ Tucker 

Post#45 » by Skates » Fri Jul 1, 2022 4:01 am

Niang will eat a lot of minutes in the regular season, but he is not playable in the playoffs as we saw last year. Niang's rotation minutes will keep Tucker from getting worn down in the regular season, in the playoffs Niang will give up a lot of those minutes to Tucker.
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Post#46 » by HardenGoat » Fri Jul 1, 2022 5:13 am

Some of you guys are almost as upset as the Heat players that are losing him.
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Re: Welcome to the Sixers, PJ Tucker 

Post#47 » by Wilfried » Fri Jul 1, 2022 5:53 am

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spikeslovechild wrote:Issue with Tucker is he will barely play in the playoffs. Harris and Embiid are our PF/C. We basically signed another washed Amir Johnson. Why god why


Wrong. He'll play a lot in the playoffs. That's why they signed him. He can defend either forward spot and really any position.

His regular season mins will likely be limited.


That I hope too. Use the RS for developping Reed, Melton. Don't need to play Tucker all those games and more than
minutes imo. But let him be ready for the play-offs.
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Re: Welcome to the Sixers, PJ Tucker 

Post#48 » by Kolkmania » Fri Jul 1, 2022 7:04 am

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spikeslovechild wrote:Issue with Tucker is he will barely play in the playoffs. Harris and Embiid are our PF/C. We basically signed another washed Amir Johnson. Why god why


Barely play? Didn't he just start every game for the Heat in the playoffs, play 28+ mpg, and he was basically the 3rd best player on the team during their (longer than our) playoff run? Assuming there isn't just a ridiculous dropoff, I'm not sure why you would think this. It's definitely a risky overpay, we might regret in 2 years, but a washed Amir Johnson? Not even close.


He will barely play here. He is not a SF anymore. We basically signed him for Niang role which he is an upgrade and honestly I hope we move on from Niang because the dude just doesn't care about defense or rebounding.

But you shouldn't need to spend 33m as a contender for what Tucker provides.


The guy can defend big wings and even small centers, is switchable and shoots corner threes. We need players who can actually stay on the court in the PO and Tucker is one of those guys.
Getting that at 11m/year is perfectly fine. It is a bit risky because you don't know when his body will fall apart, but that is simply a risk you need to take for a guy that is desired by every contender in the league.

And to be honest, Harden basically pays for the additional 4m/year he would otherwise receive for a 3 year fully guaranteed deal.
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Re: Welcome to the Sixers, PJ Tucker 

Post#49 » by Jay555 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:20 am

PJ is a dog. He's gonna be valuable.
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Re: Welcome to the Sixers, PJ Tucker 

Post#50 » by mjkvol » Fri Jul 1, 2022 12:38 pm

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Iverson Armband wrote:Maybe, maybe not. We definitely weren’t bidding against ourselves, so that’s all that matters. Would you rather no Tucker and just give an extra 10M to Harder per year? All of the other good FAs in our range were resigning with their teams.


Monk went for 2/18. Boucher got basically an identical contract to Tucker 3/35.

Monk is fun and all, but we have Maxey and Melton. He literally solves none of our issues. We lost primarily because we had very little defense and rebounding at the 2/3/4 positions.

I like Boucher but he got paid 2M more and probably didn’t want to leave Toronto.


Boucher was always going back to Toronto. You nailed it as far as getting the type player we needed, and add to that it's always going to be tougher to get a player away from a good situation or area of the country. I would have bet that the Heat would have kept Tucker, but they might have their sights set on much bigger fish.
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Re: Welcome to the Sixers, PJ Tucker 

Post#51 » by mjkvol » Fri Jul 1, 2022 12:43 pm

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spikeslovechild wrote:Issue with Tucker is he will barely play in the playoffs. Harris and Embiid are our PF/C. We basically signed another washed Amir Johnson. Why god why


Wrong. He'll play a lot in the playoffs. That's why they signed him. He can defend either forward spot and really any position.

His regular season mins will likely be limited.


That I hope too. Use the RS for developping Reed, Melton. Don't need to play Tucker all those games and more than
minutes imo. But let him be ready for the play-offs.


That would require Glenn to change his M.O. 180 degrees. I'd love to see it, but Glenn is all about piling up wins and shooting for the higher seed.

Ideally, Embiid, Harden, and Tucker should all be load managed big time, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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Re: Welcome to the Sixers, PJ Tucker 

Post#52 » by blargh » Fri Jul 1, 2022 12:48 pm

Iverson Armband wrote:
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Iverson Armband wrote:Maybe, maybe not. We definitely weren’t bidding against ourselves, so that’s all that matters. Would you rather no Tucker and just give an extra 10M to Harder per year? All of the other good FAs in our range were resigning with their teams.


Monk went for 2/18. Boucher got basically an identical contract to Tucker 3/35.

Monk is fun and all, but we have Maxey and Melton. He literally solves none of our issues. We lost primarily because we had very little defense and rebounding at the 2/3/4 positions.

I like Boucher but he got paid 2M more and probably didn’t want to leave Toronto.


It’ll be really interesting to see what Bruce Brown ends up with. He’d basically be a younger Tucker.
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Re: Welcome to the Sixers, PJ Tucker 

Post#53 » by Sixerscan » Fri Jul 1, 2022 12:49 pm

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Wrong. He'll play a lot in the playoffs. That's why they signed him. He can defend either forward spot and really any position.

His regular season mins will likely be limited.


That I hope too. Use the RS for developping Reed, Melton. Don't need to play Tucker all those games and more than
minutes imo. But let him be ready for the play-offs.


That would require Glenn to change his M.O. 180 degrees. I'd love to see it, but Glenn is all about piling up wins and shooting for the higher seed.

Ideally, Embiid, Harden, and Tucker should all be load managed big time, but I'll believe it when I see it.


He did sort of keep Danny on a pitch count, especially last year though that may have been more them wanting to give Thybulle a chance before it became clear he wasn’t going to be available for the Toronto games.

I don’t think you’ll see him taking weeks off or anything but I’m guessing he’s not playing more than like 24 mpg in the regular season.
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Post#54 » by Murray_17 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 12:56 pm

I don't mind the contract tbh.

Guy is coming from his best statistical season, which also should put in perspective the "old" argument.

Having contracts like this that can be movable for real pieces later, instead of those small contracts we had previously that didn't allowed us to do anything in FA will give us more flexibility.

For example, you can always put Tucker on a trade with Melton and get a great piece if you want.
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Post#55 » by mjkvol » Fri Jul 1, 2022 12:57 pm

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That I hope too. Use the RS for developping Reed, Melton. Don't need to play Tucker all those games and more than
minutes imo. But let him be ready for the play-offs.


That would require Glenn to change his M.O. 180 degrees. I'd love to see it, but Glenn is all about piling up wins and shooting for the higher seed.

Ideally, Embiid, Harden, and Tucker should all be load managed big time, but I'll believe it when I see it.


He did sort of keep Danny on a pitch count, especially last year though that may have been more them wanting to give Thybulle a chance before it became clear he wasn’t going to be available for the Toronto games.

I don’t think you’ll see him taking weeks off or anything but I’m guessing he’s not playing more than like 24 mpg in the regular season.


I'd like to see the three of them maxing out at 65 games played, and avoid the 38-40 minute games. Unless and until Glenn gets the memo that it's only about the playoffs, we're going to have the same issues ever year.

This team has enough depth and talent (especially if Maxey takes the next step) to be able to survive off nights for Embiid and Harden.
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Re: Welcome to the Sixers, PJ Tucker 

Post#56 » by mjkvol » Fri Jul 1, 2022 1:01 pm

Murray_17 wrote:I don't mind the contract tbh.

Guy is coming from his best statistical season, which also should put in perspective the "old" argument.

Having contracts like this that can be movable for real pieces later, instead of those small contracts we had previously that didn't allowed us to do anything in FA will give us more flexibility.

For example, you can always put Tucker on a trade with Melton and get a great piece if you want.


This.^^^^

Everyone is stressing about the 3-year length, but if we get two solid years out of Tucker, which is quite probable the way he stays in shape, he becomes at worst trade ballast in year three, and even at the '23-'24 deadline worst case scenario.
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Post#58 » by Negrodamus » Fri Jul 1, 2022 2:46 pm

PJ will only protect Harden. Embiid has to find his own goon.
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Post#59 » by 76ciology » Sat Jul 2, 2022 3:24 am

Bruce Brown ended up signing a 2 year 13M deal. I have Brown better than Tucker.
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Post#60 » by 76ciology » Sat Jul 2, 2022 3:28 am

Tuckers’ most special skill is being able to defend 1 to 5. Like really 1 to 5. When we face the heat, Tucker would switch the Harden-Biid. Same thing against the Hawks, Tucker defended Trae full court, and this lead to Hawks breaking their Trae-Huerter experiment and needing to trade after Dejounte.

And lastly, Embiid is gonna get an earful if he decides to not bring it in the playoffs
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