Trade Thread (EPISODE VII: Which team wants our bad players for their good players?)

[xdrta+]

Would it be possible for the Warriors to pick up Eric Bledsoe after July 10th? Financially?

Sure, once he clears waivers, if they could convince him to take a minimum salary.

[SAKURABA216]

I think DiVincenzo and Poole will take up all of the backup minutes at the guard positions so I would actually like another forward to replace Otto or another center in case Wiseman or Draymond miss any more time next season.

[Johnny355]

4 team trade… I had time to kill and surprised this works in trade machine.

Teams receiving…

Warriors: KD

Nets: SGA, Wiggins, Westbrook, 2 Lakers FRPs

OKC: Simmons, Moody, THT, 2 Warriors FRPs

Lakers: Kyrie, Joe Harris, D. Favors

I like Moody and Wiggs but the West is likely to get tougher and the Celtics will be better with off-season moves. We still keep most of the young future core so loss of our future, likely later first round picks is not a killer. As far as motivation for the other teams involved, I think the return for each is reasonable. OKC loves kicking the can for FRPs and also get 3 good players in the deal for a good but not elite player in SGA. Seems like OKC would be a good, lower pressure environment for Simmons. Nets get 2 borderline All stars and 2 first round picks from Lakers that will realize when the Lakers core ages out. Yes, maybe we enable the Lakers but Kyrie could also implode and even if he doesn’t, I still think we have a significant edge over them as a result of this deal (Kyrie will get there with our without our involvement). I know the anti KD feelings we all have but we are more assured of winning 3 of next 4 championships with him than without him. Objectively, what do you guys think of this deal for the Warriors and other teams involved?

[ChuckDurn]

4 team trade… I had time to kill and surprised this works in trade machine.

Teams receiving…

Warriors: KD

Nets: SGA, Wiggins, Westbrook, 2 Lakers FRPs

OKC: Simmons, Moody, THT, 2 Warriors FRPs

Lakers: Kyrie, Joe Harris, D. Favors

I like Moody and Wiggs but the West is likely to get tougher and the Celtics will be better with off-season moves. We still keep most of the young future core so loss of our future, likely later first round picks is not a killer. As far as motivation for the other teams involved, I think the return for each is reasonable. OKC loves kicking the can for FRPs and also get 3 good players in the deal for a good but not elite player in SGA. Seems like OKC would be a good, lower pressure environment for Simmons. Nets get 2 borderline All stars and 2 first round picks from Lakers that will realize when the Lakers core ages out. Yes, maybe we enable the Lakers but Kyrie could also implode and even if he doesn’t, I still think we have a significant edge over them as a result of this deal (Kyrie will get there with our without our involvement). I know the anti KD feelings we all have but we are more assured of winning 3 of next 4 championships with him than without him. Objectively, what do you guys think of this deal for the Warriors and other teams involved?

It’s a creative idea….. I think the value from the Warriors isn’t crazy at all (Wiggins, Moody, 2 FRP’s for Durant), though it does create a bit of a concern for wing depth. (I think Durant actually plays a lot more at the 4 than the 3 now, and we’d have no “pure” 3’s on the roster after this.) But that’s probably solvable.

I think from Brooklyn’s end the value is really low….. Durant, Kyrie, and Simmons (and Harris) would be expected to return much more than SGA, Wiggins, Westbrook, and 2 FRP’s. I think OKC might be getting too much value for SGA, so possibly one of the Warriors’ FRP’s would need to go to the Nets instead of OKC to balance that a little.

[S-Gorilla86]

4 team trade… I had time to kill and surprised this works in trade machine.

Teams receiving…

Warriors: KD

Nets: SGA, Wiggins, Westbrook, 2 Lakers FRPs

OKC: Simmons, Moody, THT, 2 Warriors FRPs

Lakers: Kyrie, Joe Harris, D. Favors

I like Moody and Wiggs but the West is likely to get tougher and the Celtics will be better with off-season moves. We still keep most of the young future core so loss of our future, likely later first round picks is not a killer. As far as motivation for the other teams involved, I think the return for each is reasonable. OKC loves kicking the can for FRPs and also get 3 good players in the deal for a good but not elite player in SGA. Seems like OKC would be a good, lower pressure environment for Simmons. Nets get 2 borderline All stars and 2 first round picks from Lakers that will realize when the Lakers core ages out. Yes, maybe we enable the Lakers but Kyrie could also implode and even if he doesn’t, I still think we have a significant edge over them as a result of this deal (Kyrie will get there with our without our involvement). I know the anti KD feelings we all have but we are more assured of winning 3 of next 4 championships with him than without him. Objectively, what do you guys think of this deal for the Warriors and other teams involved?

Nice job, usually trades like this are completely lopsided for one team but my first thought was that the premise actually makes sense for all teams.

I think Lakers do that in a heartbeat, Warriors would say yes, agree with Chuck thats Nets would want a bit more, and OKC is hard to peg but I think they might overvalue SGA even though I think the value is close. Interesting idea, that was a good one!

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[donkeylips]

Not enough value for okc. Sga is still young. We don’t know how Wiggins will look, and those two warriors 1st will most likely be late firsts

[clyde21]

if we get to trade deadline and it looks like a down year for us, Poole for Jaden Springer/Paul Reed would set us up nicely for the following season.

[Scoots1994]

if we get to trade deadline and it looks like a down year for us, Poole for Jaden Springer/Paul Reed would set us up nicely for the following season.

Troll.

[clyde21]

if we get to trade deadline and it looks like a down year for us, Poole for Jaden Springer/Paul Reed would set us up nicely for the following season.

Troll.

sry forgot JP also off limits lmao.

[Scoots1994]

if we get to trade deadline and it looks like a down year for us, Poole for Jaden Springer/Paul Reed would set us up nicely for the following season.

Troll.

sry forgot JP also off limits lmao.

Nah. Definitely not off-limits. But Springer/Reed for Poole is absurd.

[clyde21]

Troll.

sry forgot JP also off limits lmao.

Nah. Definitely not off-limits. But Springer/Reed for Poole is absurd.

what do you think Poole's worth in a trade?

[whatisacenter]

sry forgot JP also off limits lmao.

Nah. Definitely not off-limits. But Springer/Reed for Poole is absurd.

what do you think Poole's worth in a trade?

It's difficult to get value for Poole on his rookie contract without pairing him with a big contract to get a big time player.

I liked Springer coming out of college and saw a little bit of him in the summer league with Reed. Springer was still right hand dominant but he was the big physical combo guard I imagined.

[clyde21]

can fans just stop for once overvaluing their own assets? at the end of the day you're talking about a score first combo guard that can't defend. this archetype is everywhere. you see 5 of them in every draft class. it's one of the easiest roles to fill in the NBA today. not sure why this perspective keeps getting lost on people.

right now we have an opportunity to get ahead of the logjam we're gonna have after this season with Wiggy/Poole/Dray possibly looking for extensions, while Poole's value is relatively high and is easy to trade. if you get into next off season without doing this, you will lose one of these guys for nothing in FA. almost guaranteed. my bet would be on JP.

again, im not sure what type of return you're expecting here for JP a year away from a 30m a pop extension. if you think you're gonna get a blue chipper back, good luck with that.

as for Springer/Reed, Springer's a 5* HS recruit and highly talented PG a year removed from being a 1st rounder, Paul Reed has been one of the best if not THE best G League player the last yr or so and fits in perfectly here as a combo big, he's also a highly valued asset around the league b/c he's so cheap and ready to be part of a rotation today. these are two young cost controlled assets that fit our system and personnel that we could potentially scale and develop for cheap. what's the problem here?

im not sure why this is crazy or a 'troll' to some of you. some of yall really just starting to seem part of a weird cult at this point where mere suggestions of player trades or the simplest criticisms (some dude threw a hissy fit last night because I said I'd like Wiseman to play more physical lmao), and perfectly reasonable ones, elicit such weird and childish responses.

[xdrta+]

can fans just stop for once overvaluing their own assets? at the end of the day you're talking about a score first combo guard that can't defend. this archetype is everywhere. you see 5 of them in every draft class. it's one of the easiest roles to fill in the NBA today. not sure why this perspective keeps getting lost on people.

right now we have an opportunity to get ahead of the logjam we're gonna have after this season with Wiggy/Poole/Dray possibly looking for extensions, while Poole's value is relatively high and is easy to trade. if you get into next off season without doing this, you will lose one of these guys for nothing in FA. almost guaranteed. my bet would be on JP.

again, im not sure what type of return you're expecting here for JP a year away from a 30m a pop extension. if you think you're gonna get a blue chipper back, good luck with that.

as for Springer/Reed, Springer's a 5* HS recruit and highly talented PG a year removed from being a 1st rounder, Paul Reed has been one of the best if not THE best G League player the last yr or so and fits in perfectly here as a combo big, he's also a highly valued asset around the league b/c he's so cheap and ready to be part of a rotation today. these are two young cost controlled assets that fit our system and personnel that we could potentially scale and develop for cheap. what's the problem here?

im not sure why this is crazy or a 'troll' to some of you. some of yall really just starting to seem part of a weird cult at this point where mere suggestions of player trades or the simplest criticisms (some dude threw a hissy fit last night because I said I'd like Wiseman to play more physical lmao), and perfectly reasonable ones, elicit such weird and childish responses.

That would be one way to go. Another way would be to use him this season. Based on last year he would be much more valuable than anyone you could get in a trade at his salary, so allow him to contribute to another championship season, then let him walk. Pick up a minimum salary replacement and avoid adding $25M or whatever to the team salary. Look at it as an expiring contract that will contribute to a championship. I would prefer to deal with him this way.

[clyde21]

can fans just stop for once overvaluing their own assets? at the end of the day you're talking about a score first combo guard that can't defend. this archetype is everywhere. you see 5 of them in every draft class. it's one of the easiest roles to fill in the NBA today. not sure why this perspective keeps getting lost on people.

right now we have an opportunity to get ahead of the logjam we're gonna have after this season with Wiggy/Poole/Dray possibly looking for extensions, while Poole's value is relatively high and is easy to trade. if you get into next off season without doing this, you will lose one of these guys for nothing in FA. almost guaranteed. my bet would be on JP.

again, im not sure what type of return you're expecting here for JP a year away from a 30m a pop extension. if you think you're gonna get a blue chipper back, good luck with that.

as for Springer/Reed, Springer's a 5* HS recruit and highly talented PG a year removed from being a 1st rounder, Paul Reed has been one of the best if not THE best G League player the last yr or so and fits in perfectly here as a combo big, he's also a highly valued asset around the league b/c he's so cheap and ready to be part of a rotation today. these are two young cost controlled assets that fit our system and personnel that we could potentially scale and develop for cheap. what's the problem here?

im not sure why this is crazy or a 'troll' to some of you. some of yall really just starting to seem part of a weird cult at this point where mere suggestions of player trades or the simplest criticisms (some dude threw a hissy fit last night because I said I'd like Wiseman to play more physical lmao), and perfectly reasonable ones, elicit such weird and childish responses.

That would be one way to go. Another way would be to use him this season. Based on last year he would be much more valuable than anyone you could get in a trade at his salary, so allow him to contribute to another championship season, then let him walk. Pick up a minimum salary replacement and avoid adding $25M or whatever to the team salary. Look at it as an expiring contract that will contribute to a championship. I would prefer to deal with him this way.

agreed, that's why I said this:

if we get to trade deadline and it looks like a down year for us, Poole for Jaden Springer/Paul Reed would set us up nicely for the following season.

if we're going ham next season obviously just go for it, but if it looks like it's not happening for us for whatever reason, pull the trigger.

[xdrta+]

can fans just stop for once overvaluing their own assets? at the end of the day you're talking about a score first combo guard that can't defend. this archetype is everywhere. you see 5 of them in every draft class. it's one of the easiest roles to fill in the NBA today. not sure why this perspective keeps getting lost on people.

right now we have an opportunity to get ahead of the logjam we're gonna have after this season with Wiggy/Poole/Dray possibly looking for extensions, while Poole's value is relatively high and is easy to trade. if you get into next off season without doing this, you will lose one of these guys for nothing in FA. almost guaranteed. my bet would be on JP.

again, im not sure what type of return you're expecting here for JP a year away from a 30m a pop extension. if you think you're gonna get a blue chipper back, good luck with that.

as for Springer/Reed, Springer's a 5* HS recruit and highly talented PG a year removed from being a 1st rounder, Paul Reed has been one of the best if not THE best G League player the last yr or so and fits in perfectly here as a combo big, he's also a highly valued asset around the league b/c he's so cheap and ready to be part of a rotation today. these are two young cost controlled assets that fit our system and personnel that we could potentially scale and develop for cheap. what's the problem here?

im not sure why this is crazy or a 'troll' to some of you. some of yall really just starting to seem part of a weird cult at this point where mere suggestions of player trades or the simplest criticisms (some dude threw a hissy fit last night because I said I'd like Wiseman to play more physical lmao), and perfectly reasonable ones, elicit such weird and childish responses.

That would be one way to go. Another way would be to use him this season. Based on last year he would be much more valuable than anyone you could get in a trade at his salary, so allow him to contribute to another championship season, then let him walk. Pick up a minimum salary replacement and avoid adding $25M or whatever to the team salary. Look at it as an expiring contract that will contribute to a championship. I would prefer to deal with him this way.

agreed, that's why I said this:

if we get to trade deadline and it looks like a down year for us, Poole for Jaden Springer/Paul Reed would set us up nicely for the following season.

if we're going ham next season obviously just go for it, but if it looks like it's not happening for us for whatever reason, pull the trigger.

Yeah, I'd be surprised if that deal happened. Philly looks to be in serious lux tax territory next year, with the repeater kicking in, so to give up two cheap rookie contracts in order to add 25-30 million to their salary, with a corresponding big hike in tax, seems like a stretch. Between Harris, Embiid, and Harden they're as top-heavy as the Warriors.

[clyde21]

yea, but they haven't won anything yet, and could possibly want to make a very strong push to at least get 1 for Harden/Embiid.

[azwfan]

yea, but they haven't won anything yet, and could possibly want to make a very strong push to at least get 1 for Harden/Embiid.

If Poole is what another team considers “making a strong push” he should be worth at least a 1st plus prospects at minimum.

[azwfan]

Btw, regarding the “theres 5 of them every year” point, ill say 2 things:
1) There arent 5 as good as poole every year, and 2) The Ryan Rollins selection appears to me as a possible Poole replacement pick, as he to me seems like a combo guard, multi-level scorer, but with possibly less burst and more defense. Time will tell on that though.

[clyde21]

Btw, regarding the “theres 5 of them every year” point, ill say 2 things:
1) There arent 5 as good as poole every year, and 2) The Ryan Rollins selection appears to me as a possible Poole replacement pick, as he to me seems like a combo guard, multi-level scorer, but with possibly less burst and more defense. Time will tell on that though.

it's an exaggeration obviously but it's clearly one of the easiest roles/archetypes to fill. undersized score first CGs are like the easiest things to find in the NBA at this point. Spurs have two of them right now playing against us in Wesley and Primo.