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Post#1621 » by MGrand15 » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:32 pm

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Bam somewhere else in a 3 team would definitely be a potential game changer for Miami but I question how much KD 'wants' Miami if it's basically just Butler and Lowry. I guess we pray Riley is lurking with something like that up his sleeve?

That and I can see a massive trade, where it's KD, Kyrie, and maybe Harris and/or even Claxton, for Herro and every pick not tied down from Miami, picks from somewhere like OKC and a serviceable vet center, for Bam, and Duncan Robinson this way.


the kyrie point is a good one, i expect Riley has 0 interest in him individually but i could 100% see him being willing to take him on as a creative route to getting KD. it would be very complicated cap wise though because it would probably require the nets eating a bunch of salary they don't want (including Lowry). KD/Jimmy/Kyrie would be hilarious and amazing all at once. here's an example of a deal that could work, Utah would basically have to give up all the draft capital they just got for Gobert, which seems counter productive but at the same time not sure what other team could step into their spot in this deal. Toronto or Portland maybe if they think Bam is the missing piece?

but for all the negatives Herro/Strus and like 8-10 FRPs would be a pretty good haul.

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I would do this strictly because I don't believe for a second that KD still wants to play with Kyrie. He's seen how unreliable and chaotic Kyrie is up close. I would love to send him to a team where he has to keep babysitting him.

Also the chaos that Riley/Spo/Haslem + Kyrie + Butler would bring would be incredible to watch.
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***Official 2021-22 Offseason Thread*** 

Post#1622 » by Paradise » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:46 pm

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Bam somewhere else in a 3 team would definitely be a potential game changer for Miami but I question how much KD 'wants' Miami if it's basically just Butler and Lowry. I guess we pray Riley is lurking with something like that up his sleeve?

That and I can see a massive trade, where it's KD, Kyrie, and maybe Harris and/or even Claxton, for Herro and every pick not tied down from Miami, picks from somewhere like OKC and a serviceable vet center, for Bam, and Duncan Robinson this way.


the kyrie point is a good one, i expect Riley has 0 interest in him individually but i could 100% see him being willing to take him on as a creative route to getting KD. it would be very complicated cap wise though because it would probably require the nets eating a bunch of salary they don't want (including Lowry). KD/Jimmy/Kyrie would be hilarious and amazing all at once. here's an example of a deal that could work, Utah would basically have to give up all the draft capital they just got for Gobert, which seems counter productive but at the same time not sure what other team could step into their spot in this deal. Toronto or Portland maybe if they think Bam is the missing piece?

but for all the negatives Herro/Strus and like 8-10 FRPs would be a pretty good haul.

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That’s a horrible return.

Not a single keeper beyond 2 seasons from that kind of deal and Herro is a 6MOTY candidate at best, Robinson and Struss is a good shooting tandem…for KD and Kyrie in a win now situation. Not a rebuild. Cut Miami out and directly go after OG, Precious, Trent Jr and FVV. Turns out to be a slightly better but similar package with higher upside if there’s 4-6 picks and pick swaps.
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Post#1623 » by NetsWorld » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:50 pm

If I were to take a guess, this will be two shockers of a trade no one saw coming and Nets will get players no one expected. Marks will pull a hat out of his bag. Marks is pushing and putting the ball in KD/Kai's hands and telling them you won't go anywhere until we get what we want......Do as you please and seethe all you want. I fully support Marks and management that did everything they could to make these two girls happy.
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Post#1624 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:54 pm

NetsWorld wrote:If I were to take a guess, this will be two shockers of a trade no one saw coming and Nets will get players no one expected. Marks will pull a hat out of his bag. Marks is pushing and putting the ball in KD/Kai's hands and telling them you won't go anywhere until we get what we want......Do as you please and seethe all you want. I fully support Marks and management that did everything they could to make these two girls happy.

I'd bet Portland was a serious threat to land KD a week or two ago and the Vegas odds reflected that. But now that Sharpe is probably out for the year, they're probably long shots.

It's about the long haul, but I'm sure they'd have wanted to see something out of Sharpe to help his development before committing, or at least know they'd have their hands on him his entire rookie year.

Then again, this is the season where it's "safe" for the Nets to tank, so I wouldn't consider them out entirely.
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Post#1625 » by GTR11 » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:02 pm

The more i see these vomit worthy trades, the more i get tired of these two clowns. Even D.Will era wasn't this bad.

In other news, RJ going to be ref during nix game :lol:

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Post#1626 » by TheNetsFan » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:06 pm

Nets In: Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Russell Westbrook, 2023 1st (best of BOS & CLE via IND), 2023 PHX 1st (option to defer), 2026 PHX 1st, 2028 PHX 1st, 2027 LAL pick, 2029 LAL pick, 2 swaps with PHX, 1 Swap with LAL
Nets Out: KD, KI
Cap Impact: Save $7.1mil

PHX In: KD
PHX Out: Ayton, Bridges, Johnson, 3 1sts, 2 swaps
Cap Impact: More than letting Ayton walk, less than matching Ayton

IND In: Ayton, THT
IND Out: Turner, 2023 1st (BOS/CLE)

LAL In: Irving, Turner
LAL Out: Westbrook, THT, 2027 1st, 2029 1st, 1 swap

Not high on young talent, walking away with Bridges, Johnson, 6 picks and some swaps? At least we can say it beat the Gobert trade.
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Post#1627 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:21 pm

NetsWorld wrote:If I were to take a guess, this will be two shockers of a trade no one saw coming and Nets will get players no one expected. Marks will pull a hat out of his bag. Marks is pushing and putting the ball in KD/Kai's hands and telling them you won't go anywhere until we get what we want......Do as you please and seethe all you want. I fully support Marks and management that did everything they could to make these two girls happy.


Nah we don't even need to use women to insult KD and Kyrie. WNBA players are way more mature and professional than Kyrie and KD are. It's not even a joke, the way KD and Kyrie conduct themselves is an embarrassment.

Hell, even though they are fighting to make the playoffs, I've enjoyed watching the Liberty this season more than I did watching the Nets. Sabrina Ionescu, Natasha Howard, Marine Johannes and company give me the same feel good , Brooklyn Grit vibes that we had before the two drama kings came here and smeared their sh*t all over the walls. When you see how the Liberty play hard win or lose and how the Nets underperformed while paying the luxury tax, its not really a question as to why Joe Tsai has had enough of these two bus riders.
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Post#1628 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:24 pm

GTR11 wrote:The more i see these vomit worthy trades, the more i get tired of these two clowns. Even D.Will era wasn't this bad.

In other news, RJ going to be ref during nix game :lol:

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Post#1629 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:28 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:Nets In: Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Russell Westbrook, 2023 1st (best of BOS & CLE via IND), 2023 PHX 1st (option to defer), 2026 PHX 1st, 2028 PHX 1st, 2027 LAL pick, 2029 LAL pick, 2 swaps with PHX, 1 Swap with LAL
Nets Out: KD, KI
Cap Impact: Save $7.1mil

PHX In: KD
PHX Out: Ayton, Bridges, Johnson, 3 1sts, 2 swaps
Cap Impact: More than letting Ayton walk, less than matching Ayton

IND In: Ayton, THT
IND Out: Turner, 2023 1st (BOS/CLE)

LAL In: Irving, Turner
LAL Out: Westbrook, THT, 2027 1st, 2029 1st, 1 swap

Not high on young talent, walking away with Bridges, Johnson, 6 picks and some swaps? At least we can say it beat the Gobert trade.


The draft capital is intriguing especially if you want to bet that Durant becomes a cancer Phoenix.

The talent aspect is not suitable. We need a perimeter scorer to go with Ben and our shooters, unless you think that TJ Warren and Cam Thomas are going to carry that load, and with the way Cam has looked in Summer League I don't think he even cracks the rotation this season ahead of O'Neal, Harris and Warren.
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Post#1630 » by Tha King » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:32 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:Nets In: Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Russell Westbrook, 2023 1st (best of BOS & CLE via IND), 2023 PHX 1st (option to defer), 2026 PHX 1st, 2028 PHX 1st, 2027 LAL pick, 2029 LAL pick, 2 swaps with PHX, 1 Swap with LAL
Nets Out: KD, KI
Cap Impact: Save $7.1mil

PHX In: KD
PHX Out: Ayton, Bridges, Johnson, 3 1sts, 2 swaps
Cap Impact: More than letting Ayton walk, less than matching Ayton

IND In: Ayton, THT
IND Out: Turner, 2023 1st (BOS/CLE)

LAL In: Irving, Turner
LAL Out: Westbrook, THT, 2027 1st, 2029 1st, 1 swap

Not high on young talent, walking away with Bridges, Johnson, 6 picks and some swaps? At least we can say it beat the Gobert trade.

Seems way too good for the Lakers.
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Post#1631 » by TheNetsFan » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:39 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:Nets In: Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Russell Westbrook, 2023 1st (best of BOS & CLE via IND), 2023 PHX 1st (option to defer), 2026 PHX 1st, 2028 PHX 1st, 2027 LAL pick, 2029 LAL pick, 2 swaps with PHX, 1 Swap with LAL
Nets Out: KD, KI
Cap Impact: Save $7.1mil

PHX In: KD
PHX Out: Ayton, Bridges, Johnson, 3 1sts, 2 swaps
Cap Impact: More than letting Ayton walk, less than matching Ayton

IND In: Ayton, THT
IND Out: Turner, 2023 1st (BOS/CLE)

LAL In: Irving, Turner
LAL Out: Westbrook, THT, 2027 1st, 2029 1st, 1 swap

Not high on young talent, walking away with Bridges, Johnson, 6 picks and some swaps? At least we can say it beat the Gobert trade.


The draft capital is intriguing especially if you want to bet that Durant becomes a cancer Phoenix.

The talent aspect is not suitable. We need a perimeter scorer to go with Ben and our shooters, unless you think that TJ Warren and Cam Thomas are going to carry that load, and with the way Cam has looked in Summer League I don't think he even cracks the rotation this season ahead of O'Neal, Harris and Warren.

I agree, but we may have to look at it as a process if we can't land a young scorer now. We'll be armed with lots of picks, expiring contracts and soon cap space. We may just need to fill the war chest & then make the deal. Not to mention, if there was a year to tank, this is the year (since it's a just swap with Houston & they're likely tanking as well).
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Post#1632 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:25 pm

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TheNetsFan wrote:Nets In: Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Russell Westbrook, 2023 1st (best of BOS & CLE via IND), 2023 PHX 1st (option to defer), 2026 PHX 1st, 2028 PHX 1st, 2027 LAL pick, 2029 LAL pick, 2 swaps with PHX, 1 Swap with LAL
Nets Out: KD, KI
Cap Impact: Save $7.1mil

PHX In: KD
PHX Out: Ayton, Bridges, Johnson, 3 1sts, 2 swaps
Cap Impact: More than letting Ayton walk, less than matching Ayton

IND In: Ayton, THT
IND Out: Turner, 2023 1st (BOS/CLE)

LAL In: Irving, Turner
LAL Out: Westbrook, THT, 2027 1st, 2029 1st, 1 swap

Not high on young talent, walking away with Bridges, Johnson, 6 picks and some swaps? At least we can say it beat the Gobert trade.


The draft capital is intriguing especially if you want to bet that Durant becomes a cancer Phoenix.

The talent aspect is not suitable. We need a perimeter scorer to go with Ben and our shooters, unless you think that TJ Warren and Cam Thomas are going to carry that load, and with the way Cam has looked in Summer League I don't think he even cracks the rotation this season ahead of O'Neal, Harris and Warren.

I agree, but we may have to look at it as a process if we can't land a young scorer now. We'll be armed with lots of picks, expiring contracts and soon cap space. We may just need to fill the war chest & then make the deal. Not to mention, if there was a year to tank, this is the year (since it's a just swap with Houston & they're likely tanking as well).


That's sound logic. A combo of LAL/PHO picks and swaps + cap flexibility could get us back on track rather quickly.

I think we can still win games if we play good team basketball this season, but it will be hard without someone that can get a go to bucket.
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Post#1633 » by gigantes » Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:36 pm

You may be right, I may be crazy*, but somehow this situation overall kinda reminds of Janis singing "Oh Lord, won't you buy me..."

Note-- not sure how many people here have ever heard of Janis Joplin, tho. :S

* One of my better stage songs.
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Post#1634 » by Eatgreenz » Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:50 pm

Colin Sexton still out there. Maybe we can sign him to 1yr looks like he needs get his market value up. Sexton is a bucket
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Post#1635 » by Netaman » Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:23 pm

Eatgreenz wrote:Colin Sexton still out there. Maybe we can sign him to 1yr looks like he needs get his market value up. Sexton is a bucket


i'd love to buy low on him if it's possible. no idea what happened to his 3 ball this year but that 40-50 point game he dropped against us a couple years ago when Garland was injured is still etched in my mind.
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Post#1636 » by Hello Brooklyn » Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:49 pm

Yeah these offers just keep getting worse.

Since running it back is out, I'm fine with telling KD and Kyrie to sit at home.

Wait till February when teams are desperate and offers for KD get much better.

I'm ready to just develop and watch the young guys.

**** the drama queens.

Get me Ingram, Jaylen Brown, or Scottie Barnes. Otherwise **** off.
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Post#1637 » by NetsJets » Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:35 pm

I want KD and Kyrie gone but if you’re ownership and the front office you can’t not try to speak to your star players, both sides have handled things poorly in certain ways.
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Post#1638 » by Packers+NetsWIN » Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:36 pm

If it was up to me personally, I would try to package both KD and Kyrie to the Hornets for LaMelo, salaries to match, and picks. I think Jordan is the perfect kind of owner for the Nets to trade with as he would be willing to sell the farm to get household names that give the team star-power and sells tickets (when they are actually on the court :lol: ) And I'm sure Ball wouldn't mind coming to New York to increase his name brand in a bigger market.

Nets in: L. Ball, G. Hayward, M. Plumlee, T. Rozier, 1 future first rounder, 1 future first round pick swap

Hornets in: K. Irving, K. Durant

Salaries work on the ESPN trade machine. Nets get a potential future star in Ball and a lot of good depth with the other three guys to stay competitive. They also add to their draft pick collection to help make up for the ones the Rockets own. And since Charlotte has never been a hot spot for superstars or free agents - once KD and Irving implode again and demand to leave (I give it one, maybe two seasons at most), the hornets future picks will be valuable. The Hornets do it for the reasons I already mentioned and having a good starting lineup on paper (depending on bridges legal situation) with Irving, Oubre, KD, Bridges, and lottery pick Williams.

This lineup isn't winning a championship, but at least keeps the team competitive with some young building blocks. And guys like Rozier, Curry, and Harris can be flipped for additional assets at the trade deadline or next off-season.

Ball/Curry/Mills
Rozier/O'Neal/Cam/
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Post#1639 » by GTR11 » Tue Jul 12, 2022 12:51 am

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My issue with opinions like thats is:

1. It's like they don't know who Kyrie is and what he wants.
2. How you going to run it back when Kyrie literally holding his own practices. That's with a coach that supposedly been brought here to manage egos.
3. What makes them think this team will be successful. You got two players who literally demanded a trade and made it clear, they dont want to be here. We just went through this with D. Will and it wasn't successful or pretty.

I don't see how you start the season with Kyrie on the team. He is the reason why we in this situation to begin with. Harden trade, security for Kyrie. Kenny departure, he don't need coach. Ben for Harden trade, Kyrie again. KD demanding trade, Kyrie Kyrie Kyrie every f*** time it's Kyrie man. He needs to go period.

KD willing to sit, ok we will work with what we got. Whoever will get desperate and will offer enough, we shipping his ass right there.
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Post#1640 » by GTR11 » Tue Jul 12, 2022 12:57 am

Packers+NetsWIN wrote:If it was up to me personally, I would try to package both KD and Kyrie to the Hornets for LaMelo, salaries to match, and picks. I think Jordan is the perfect kind of owner for the Nets to trade with as he would be willing to sell the farm to get household names that give the team star-power and sells tickets (when they are actually on the court :lol: ) And I'm sure Ball wouldn't mind coming to New York to increase his name brand in a bigger market.

Nets in: L. Ball, G. Hayward, M. Plumlee, T. Rozier, 1 future first rounder, 1 future first round pick swap

Hornets in: K. Irving, K. Durant

Salaries work on the ESPN trade machine. Nets get a potential future star in Ball and a lot of good depth with the other three guys to stay competitive. They also add to their draft pick collection to help make up for the ones the Rockets own. And since Charlotte has never been a hot spot for superstars or free agents - once KD and Irving implode again and demand to leave (I give it one, maybe two seasons at most), the hornets future picks will be valuable. The Hornets do it for the reasons I already mentioned and having a good starting lineup on paper (depending on bridges legal situation) with Irving, Oubre, KD, Bridges, and lottery pick Williams.

This lineup isn't winning a championship, but at least keeps the team competitive with some young building blocks. And guys like Rozier, Curry, and Harris can be flipped for additional assets at the trade deadline or next off-season.

Ball/Curry/Mills
Rozier/O'Neal/Cam/
Harris/Hayward/Duke
Simmons/Warren/Edwards
Claxton/Plumlee/Sharpe


I'm very high on LaMelo, watched a lot of Hornets games last year. He's like taller Steve Nash imo. We will be 50 win team looking at that roster. Not sure about PO, depending on a match ups.

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