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Re: 2022 Summer League: Cali Classic, Utah and Vegas 

Post#141 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:56 pm

Goldbum wrote:Jabari Walker...how did so many miss on him?


He just sorta got lost in the mix w/ the other non-blue chip 6'7-6'9 forwards IMO.

He is a hell of a rebounder for a forward, knows his role well despite his age (Guys like to try to do too much) and knows when to cut to the hoop. I have not been this confident in a SRP forward developing into a nice role player in a long time. He has the frame, athleticism and a really well developed BBall IQ.

I really think the ball was dropped regarding how well he rebounds and understands the game. He was asked to be the man in Colorado, now he is just playing as a defender, open 3pt shooter, cutter and grabbing boards and you can tell he is much more comfortable in this role.
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Re: 2022 Summer League: Cali Classic, Utah and Vegas 

Post#142 » by zimpy27 » Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:26 pm

Any guys in the first round that just looked awful so far?
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Re: 2022 Summer League: Cali Classic, Utah and Vegas 

Post#143 » by jman3134 » Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:39 pm

Jabari didn't dominate, but played quietly efficient basketball his freshman year and then in the predraft process. Efficiency went down a bit with higher usage, but that shouldn't have mattered. Very high level role player.
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Re: 2022 Summer League: Cali Classic, Utah and Vegas 

Post#144 » by Big J » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:19 am

zimpy27 wrote:Any guys in the first round that just looked awful so far?


Dieng looked like a huge question mark. He could easily become another Poku.
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Re: 2022 Summer League: Cali Classic, Utah and Vegas 

Post#145 » by clyde21 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:54 am

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Re: 2022 Summer League: Cali Classic, Utah and Vegas 

Post#146 » by clyde21 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:57 am

zimpy27 wrote:Any guys in the first round that just looked awful so far?


not too many players have stood out either way, but a bunch haven't even played, Daniels has been out since G1, Sharpe too, Sochan hasn't played, Griffin has been out, Kessler hasn't played because of the contract situation, Baldwin's ankle issue he's been out, Ivey only played like 1 game and 1 quarter, etc.
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Re: 2022 Summer League: Cali Classic, Utah and Vegas 

Post#147 » by babyjax13 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:03 am

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zimpy27 wrote:Any guys in the first round that just looked awful so far?


not too many players have stood out either way, but a bunch haven't even played, Daniels has been out since G1, Sharpe too, Sochan hasn't played, Griffin has been out, Kessler hasn't played because of the contract situation, Baldwin's ankle issue he's been out, Ivey only played like 1 game and 1 quarter, etc.

Kessler has a toe inury, no contract issues, that is the stated reason he is not playing.
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Re: 2022 Summer League: Cali Classic, Utah and Vegas 

Post#148 » by zimpy27 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:07 am

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zimpy27 wrote:Any guys in the first round that just looked awful so far?


not too many players have stood out either way, but a bunch haven't even played, Daniels has been out since G1, Sharpe too, Sochan hasn't played, Griffin has been out, Kessler hasn't played because of the contract situation, Baldwin's ankle issue he's been out, Ivey only played like 1 game and 1 quarter, etc.


Yeah I couldn't think of many stand outs as a negative. No one looked like they didn't belong as far as I could tell.
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Re: 2022 Summer League: Cali Classic, Utah and Vegas 

Post#149 » by clyde21 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:18 am

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clyde21 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Any guys in the first round that just looked awful so far?


not too many players have stood out either way, but a bunch haven't even played, Daniels has been out since G1, Sharpe too, Sochan hasn't played, Griffin has been out, Kessler hasn't played because of the contract situation, Baldwin's ankle issue he's been out, Ivey only played like 1 game and 1 quarter, etc.

Kessler has a toe inury, no contract issues, that is the stated reason he is not playing.


thought he and Sochan haven't signed their rookie deals yet?
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Re: 2022 Summer League: Cali Classic, Utah and Vegas 

Post#150 » by clyde21 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:19 am

zimpy27 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Any guys in the first round that just looked awful so far?


not too many players have stood out either way, but a bunch haven't even played, Daniels has been out since G1, Sharpe too, Sochan hasn't played, Griffin has been out, Kessler hasn't played because of the contract situation, Baldwin's ankle issue he's been out, Ivey only played like 1 game and 1 quarter, etc.


Yeah I couldn't think of many stand outs as a negative. No one looked like they didn't belong as far as I could tell.


i hesitate to say anyone looks bad in SL at this point for the rooks just b/c it's a glorified scrimmage but LaRavia hasn't been great.
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Re: 2022 Summer League: Cali Classic, Utah and Vegas 

Post#151 » by babyjax13 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:20 am

clyde21 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
not too many players have stood out either way, but a bunch haven't even played, Daniels has been out since G1, Sharpe too, Sochan hasn't played, Griffin has been out, Kessler hasn't played because of the contract situation, Baldwin's ankle issue he's been out, Ivey only played like 1 game and 1 quarter, etc.

Kessler has a toe inury, no contract issues, that is the stated reason he is not playing.


thought he and Sochan haven't signed their rookie deals yet?

Kessler signed 3 days ago. I think we signed him as soon as the trade was official.
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Re: 2022 Summer League: Cali Classic, Utah and Vegas 

Post#152 » by zimpy27 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:25 am

clyde21 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
not too many players have stood out either way, but a bunch haven't even played, Daniels has been out since G1, Sharpe too, Sochan hasn't played, Griffin has been out, Kessler hasn't played because of the contract situation, Baldwin's ankle issue he's been out, Ivey only played like 1 game and 1 quarter, etc.


Yeah I couldn't think of many stand outs as a negative. No one looked like they didn't belong as far as I could tell.


i hesitate to say anyone looks bad in SL at this point for the rooks just b/c it's a glorified scrimmage but LaRavia hasn't been great.


I guess I tend to think SL is only useful as a benchmark where if a player looks like they don't belong then they are unlikely to be a rotational player in NBA. It's a low benchmark and not meeting it is a big red flag to me. Being over that benchmark doesn't guarantee anything either.

SL has no ability to rank players are nor can it show you who the best players from the class will be.
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Re: 2022 Summer League: Cali Classic, Utah and Vegas 

Post#153 » by clyde21 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:32 am

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clyde21 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Yeah I couldn't think of many stand outs as a negative. No one looked like they didn't belong as far as I could tell.


i hesitate to say anyone looks bad in SL at this point for the rooks just b/c it's a glorified scrimmage but LaRavia hasn't been great.


I guess I tend to think SL is only useful as a benchmark where if a player looks like they don't belong then they are unlikely to be a rotational player in NBA. It's a low benchmark and not meeting it is a big red flag to me. Being over that benchmark doesn't guarantee anything either.

SL has no ability to rank players are nor can it show you who the best players from the class will be.


of course not, all you gotta do is wind back to last year and see some of the Evan Mobley takes in SL lol
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Re: 2022 Summer League: Cali Classic, Utah and Vegas 

Post#154 » by Big J » Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:02 am

You guys think Buddy Boeheim could make a roster as a Duncan Robinson type?
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Post#155 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:09 am

clyde21 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
i hesitate to say anyone looks bad in SL at this point for the rooks just b/c it's a glorified scrimmage but LaRavia hasn't been great.


I guess I tend to think SL is only useful as a benchmark where if a player looks like they don't belong then they are unlikely to be a rotational player in NBA. It's a low benchmark and not meeting it is a big red flag to me. Being over that benchmark doesn't guarantee anything either.

SL has no ability to rank players are nor can it show you who the best players from the class will be.


of course not, all you gotta do is wind back to last year and see some of the Evan Mobley takes in SL lol


Yup

In my opinion 2 guys tend to really shine in SL. On ball players and athletic wings.

On ball players: Easy to see why, they have the ball in their hands the most and get to dictate the action the most. So when their shot is going in, they can look like superstars in SL.

Athletic wings: There really isnt that many good athletic wings that play in SL. So when you have a guy like Tari Eason (not crapping on him, just using him as an example), there really isnt that many 6'7-6'9 good athletic wings in SL. So a guy like Eason has a nice advantage. But once the season starts, most teams have multiple talented athletic wings on their team and all of a sudden there is a massive step up in opposition for these young athletic wings.

While the off ball players and bigs (non point-forward) kind of guys tend to look horrible. They usually have to deal with over enthused guards who dont pass the ball and when they do pass the ball, its in crappy situations. Then these guys will tend to overdue it because they realize how little they get the ball in good situations so the times they do get the ball they play out of their game.

Pretty much cant draw any positive or negative conclusions from SL. SL is pretty much just good to see some of the top young picks go up against each other and see some 2nd year guys play more aggressive and show they feel more comfortable compared to last SL. But with how much teams are sitting these higher picks out, not sure there will be much point at all for SL in a couple years.
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Re: 2022 Summer League: Cali Classic, Utah and Vegas 

Post#156 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:13 am

Big J wrote:You guys think Buddy Boeheim could make a roster as a Duncan Robinson type?

Probably not. Buddy seems like a 90 cent version of Robinson and we saw what happens if Robinson losses just a little bit of his edge. Duncan lost his spot in the rotation come playoff time this past year. Its one thing when youre hitting 45% of your 3s on tough contested shots. But the second you drop down to sub 40%, youre not getting playing time if youre a defensive liability. And Buddy is smaller and less athletic than Duncan.

Just dont think Buddy is an elite enough sharpshooter to carve out playing time.
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Re: 2022 Summer League: Cali Classic, Utah and Vegas 

Post#157 » by jman3134 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:29 am

I don't care how he plays in SL - the real McCoy is making a roster.
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Re: 2022 Summer League: Cali Classic, Utah and Vegas 

Post#158 » by tmorgan » Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:21 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
Big J wrote:You guys think Buddy Boeheim could make a roster as a Duncan Robinson type?

Probably not. Buddy seems like a 90 cent version of Robinson and we saw what happens if Robinson losses just a little bit of his edge. Duncan lost his spot in the rotation come playoff time this past year. Its one thing when youre hitting 45% of your 3s on tough contested shots. But the second you drop down to sub 40%, youre not getting playing time if youre a defensive liability. And Buddy is smaller and less athletic than Duncan.

Just dont think Buddy is an elite enough sharpshooter to carve out playing time.


Shot better tonight, but clearly not an elite shooter based on both SL and college.

His defensive first step is beyond horrible. Getting by him takes no effort at all.

Not a real prospect, just a camp favor to friends of the organization. Heck, even his even crappier brother is on our roster.

We didn’t play anyone but Duren tonight. Very ugly. Well, and Key. I like him.
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Re: 2022 Summer League: Cali Classic, Utah and Vegas 

Post#159 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:48 am

tmorgan wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
Big J wrote:You guys think Buddy Boeheim could make a roster as a Duncan Robinson type?

Probably not. Buddy seems like a 90 cent version of Robinson and we saw what happens if Robinson losses just a little bit of his edge. Duncan lost his spot in the rotation come playoff time this past year. Its one thing when youre hitting 45% of your 3s on tough contested shots. But the second you drop down to sub 40%, youre not getting playing time if youre a defensive liability. And Buddy is smaller and less athletic than Duncan.

Just dont think Buddy is an elite enough sharpshooter to carve out playing time.


Shot better tonight, but clearly not an elite shooter based on both SL and college.

His defensive first step is beyond horrible. Getting by him takes no effort at all.

Not a real prospect, just a camp favor to friends of the organization. Heck, even his even crappier brother is on our roster.

We didn’t play anyone but Duren tonight. Very ugly. Well, and Key. I like him.


Yup. Guys like Buddy really arent all that hard to find. 6'4-6'6 dudes that shot around 37% from 3 in college and arent good athletes. Hell that is kind of like the majority of good mid major teams. Duncan was an elite 42% 3pt shooter in college and he had the same exact role in college as he has had in the NBA (run off screens and shoot tough 3s). And again all it takes is for him to lose one step off his game and he's no longer a rotation player.
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Re: 2022 Summer League: Cali Classic, Utah and Vegas 

Post#160 » by NO-KG-AI » Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:36 am

EJ tore his ACL :(

Seems like the Pels already have a deal in place, and aren't going to cut him, so I'm happy about that. He probably wouldn't have played a ton, so it doesn't hurt us a ton in the short term, but it'll definitely stunt his development and could hurt his future for sure. Hopefully for him he comes back strong.
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