Update: Shams says NY/Utah have began trade discussions for Donovan Mitchell part 3

[mpharris36]

leave melo alone

How fat is he?

they gotta use the scale that they weigh the wales with

Jesus

[Chanel Bomber]

leave melo alone

How fat is he?

they gotta use the scale that they weigh the wales with

[Knox]

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Maybe Grimes is the deal breaker for the Knicks. That or the piece that woke them up to say we are giving up way to much value.

[Orange Mamba]

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Maybe Grimes is the deal breaker for the Knicks. That or the piece that woke them up to say we are giving up way to much value.

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[will34]

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Maybe Grimes is the deal breaker for the Knicks. That or the piece that woke them up to say we are giving up way to much value.

Seems possible. I think they'd probably do Toppin IQ McBride and picks. Grimes is probably the hold up.

[Chislic]

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Could mean something. Likely not.

I wouldn't be surprised if guys like Woj and Shams check in with their sources after seeing cryptic tweets like this just in case.

[DaGawd]

This feels like someone maybe Aller the alleged asset guru is behind the scenes taking control on letting everyone else know Ainge is tryna pull on over on us

[WargamesX]

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Maybe Grimes is the deal breaker for the Knicks. That or the piece that woke them up to say we are giving up way to much value.

In theory they want 10-11 players for Mitchell. That is a stupid amount, especially when you consider Mitchell doesn’t actually fill a need for this team. We’re not trading one problem for another we’re just creating a few problems for Mitchell and would have no realistic way to solve them.

[TrueWarrior]

So there’s no way we actually planned to get Brunson and Mitchell together right. We obviously just got Brunson and are now going after Mitchell since they traded Gobert.

Id feel more comfy if we didnt already get a 6 foot PG for 104 million. Mitchell would immediately make Brunson less useful. He is gonna have the ball less here than he did in Dallas. He just makes no sense with Mitchell, but I actually care about defense so silly me.

Id rather have Mitchell be the quasi PG alongside Grimes.

[KnixinSix]

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Could mean something. Likely not.

I wouldn't be surprised if guys like Woj and Shams check in with their sources after seeing cryptic tweets like this just in case.

He is saying being aware of the 'Spider media' and the web of lies they portray.

[3toheadmelo]

leave melo alone

How fat is he?

they gotta use the scale that they weigh the wales with

I’m out here catching strays for no reason. If im super fat then you’re a chain smoker with COPD

[god shammgod]

How fat is he?

they gotta use the scale that they weigh the wales with

I’m out here catching strays for no reason. If im super fat then you’re a chain smoker with COPD

[KnixinSix]

So there’s no way we actually planned to get Brunson and Mitchell together right. We obviously just got Brunson and are now going after Mitchell since they traded Gobert.

Id feel more comfy if we didnt already get a 6 foot PG for 104 million. Mitchell would immediately make Brunson less useful. He is gonna have the ball less here than he did in Dallas. He just makes no sense with Mitchell, but I actually care about defense so silly me.

Id rather have Mitchell be the quasi PG alongside Grimes.

This is not true. Team basketball. They can complement each other extremely well.

[Poetry-In-Motion]

Broke my ebook up into 2 posts

Points of contention:
Founier has 2 years on contract, neither Beasley or Beverly did
Mitchell better, younger, we want more assets (debatable, just what Jazz say)
Knicks can offer as many unprotected picks as Wolves - three

The rest of the fight is over the perceived value of the last pick, it's likelihood of being high -gap in value of Wolves 2029 top 5 protected and whatever the Knicks are offering as the 4th pick, fight over valuation of Bolmero/Wessler vs "Knicks young cheap players", the value of those players to the Knicks in terms of keeping them and roster, vs the Jazz trying to get their "value" in the trade, and probably a thing where on the one hand the Knicks might be willing to give them a pick instead of a player - so imagine it's 6 picks and NO youth, or even 7 picks and NO youth, but Knicks themselves have an idea of which picks, in what year they are trying to keep- for strategic drafting/trading in the future, what is too many years out where Knicks could suck again, and so on.


And of course, one last trade proposal

Fournier/Rose/IQ/Sims or McBride/Knicks 2023/Knicks 2025/Knicks 2027/Mavs 2023/One 2024-5 Wiz-Pistons/Bucks 2025
7 picks, 3 are Knicks, 4 Knicks acquired, 1 "draft/young asset" type in IQ and Mcbride or Sims the "decent 2nd round guy"

Knicks keep Grimes, Obi, even Cam, Ainge get EIGHT f*cking picks/young guy of 1st round quality

Swap in Grimes for IQ if you want, not sure how Cam is perceived - he's a first round talent - good, but expires - also Ainge might like, but then he counters he'll have to resign and cap hit or lose.

It's pretty easy to come up with a meat of the trade. The delay is Ainge dbaggetry and Knicks trying to stave it off.
Helps Aller is here who can kind of look at Ainge with his valuation charts etc and go "come on Danny, WTF" and Ainge screws up his puss face and counters with another outrageous demand and so on until it gets done. Or not.

Just a heads up, Sims recently signed a contract and can't be traded this summer. I like the deal as well.

Ah, sorry. Keep forgetting. Was told that once before.

Thanks, and good, I like Sims. Also, he'd at least be an asset of some kind for the future.

Also, I called it "7 picks" in the bolded part but it should have been '7 pick/young assets', where IQ is that 1st round value young guy, and 6 picks.

And I get Jazz and Knicks are going to punt this around.
And we fans are homers over player X vs Y and maybe the Knicks have zero issue putting in Grimes WITH IQ to save a 2027 pick. We don't know.

I just like putting together a trade where the Knicks have a lineup with some depth left over, seems fair and in line with what Jazz want. I'm sure some will criticize with THAT'S TOO MUCH or MITCHELL ABSOLUTELY DEMANDS MOAR VALUE IN TRADE or IQ AND GRIMES SUCK, NOT ENOUGH

Gobert got 4 picks, 2 early 20's draft pick guys, 1 2nd round guy who plays a little and 2 decent vets both who expire after this year. And 1 swap.

If Knicks add 2 picks, or 1 pick/1 player, they've met and exceeded the Gobert "haul"
I've done a zillion posts, I guess there is a way to get really deep in the weeds about "value of Wiz 2024 vs Wessler" or whatever.
If Knicks are willing to trade unprotected 23/25/27 - that's the meat of matching the Gobert draft picks.

And yeah - not directed at you - of some roster construction issues potentially with Mitchell, that Mitchell isn't Kobe or MJ or LeBron.

I think he's good, will help, there can be a path to improving after IF Knicks don't get ass raped, and they shouldn't, it won't be easy, Knicks will be decent, there's risk in giving up a good amount - which it's just going to take, come on, for not Kobe etc.

Knicks can do with one 1st round youth picked in the 20s, 3 of their own #1 picks out to 2027 (yes, a risk etc) and 4 picks that aren't their own, including 2 or 3 they just got. For Burks, Noel and a pick this year.

I actually do think there is an advantage to that cannot trade after signing rule for this case if you're a Sims fan like we are, because for sure if he was eligible to be dealt, he'd be thrown in the discussions as well.

[KnixinSix]

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Maybe Grimes is the deal breaker for the Knicks. That or the piece that woke them up to say we are giving up way to much value.

In theory they want 10-11 players for Mitchell. That is a stupid amount, especially when you consider Mitchell doesn’t actually fill a need for this team. We’re not trading one problem for another we’re just creating a few problems for Mitchell and would have no realistic way to solve them.

They want to gut our team so their NYK picks they get from us are better. Lol. Nice strategy.

[Trademarkk]

Read on Twitter

Could mean something. Likely not.

I wouldn't be surprised if guys like Woj and Shams check in with their sources after seeing cryptic tweets like this just in case.

He is saying being aware of the 'Spider media' and the web of lies they portray.

It means his Spida senses are tingling. There is danger afoot.

[god shammgod]

out of those supposed 6 picks, i wonder how many are actually ours. if it's 3 of ours and the 3 we got on this past draft night. it's really like 4 picks.

[TerrenceClarke]

This feels like someone maybe Aller the alleged asset guru is behind the scenes taking control on letting everyone else know Ainge is tryna pull on over on us

If it took Aller to figure out that Ainge was going to attempt to rape us, then we are doomed. It would show that Leon does not understand the landscape of the NBA and who is who.

The whole world knew that Ainge demands would be high.

[SelbyCobra]

leave melo alone

How fat is he?

they gotta use the scale that they weigh the wales with

But we not gonna make it.

[N Y K]

Have a great weekend!