Update: Shams says NY/Utah have began trade discussions for Donovan Mitchell part 3

[Juco24]

We are closing this out today. I won’t be able to be glued to the phone this weekend.
Someone get the champagne ready and the two threads ready. 1. Welcoming donovan mitchell and the 2nd being. Leon rose needs to go: the overpay part 2

Heard any internal news?

[TheGreenArrow]

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[Meat]

Here is the thing that confuses me. All the media seem to be parroting the younger cost controlled guys of IQ,Obi,Grimes,McBride as what Ainge wants. How does that even work salary matching wise? All the latest reports don't mention at least one of Fournier or Rose being involved.

because it's just understood that one of them will be involved. They mention the negotiation points, the kids\picks, because those are the variables that can change

[Chanel Bomber]

The problem with sending out Grimes is we end up with no defense on the wings and we're reliant on Randle reverting to 2020-21 LeJulius mode to make up for the lack of size in the backcourt.

The wings are the weakest area of our rotation, and will continue to be post-Mitchell trade, especially if Grimes is dealt.

[G_K_F]

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Who is this guy and why do we keep posting his stupid opinion?

[NYKat]

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I agree with this sentiment here,

a lot of assumptions are being made here…like if we acquire Donovan we have to automatically be in title contention immediately…

Furthermore, why is it a foregone conclusion that just because Timberwolves got f*cked that the Knicks automatically will too? I submit we are in stronger negotiating position than is commonly thought

[TheGreenArrow]

this deal is not happening

don't look like it right now. it he ends up somewhere else, leon might as well start packing.

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It’s happening and you’ll like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KnicksNext]

I've come around on doing this. Why tf not at this point. When is the next time we'll have a shot at adding a top 25 player in the league who is only 25 years old? F it - let's do it. Give Utah the bag. Ainge is not going to move him if he doesn't love the deal, so we have to give up what it takes to get him. 6 1sts plus all the kids the Jazz want (Ainge wants no part of RJ and his contract). All of them.

At least we'll field a team that's exciting and should be good for many years. Where are we going if we don't do it? With adding only Brunson, we're not going anywhere. We all know that. We'll be stuck in middling hell for the next 5 years.

The Knicks brass don't care about the draft. That's been proven. So, what are we saving all these picks for if we have no interest in using them?

Grimes, Obi, IQ and 6 1sts. Lets do it.

You sound like the type to get robbed by a guy poking his finger through his shirt and telling you it’s a gun.

Why? What's the point of saving all these picks if we're not going to use them? Who are you saving them for? Zion? Gone. The 12 other players people on here have been clamoring for for the past 3-5 years (Beal, Lavine, KAT, etc.)? Gone. They're all off the market.

There is a total of zero other players that can be had that are the caliber of player that Mitchell is. Tell me who else you want? Do you think Obi/IQ/Grimes are special and will eventually become the player that Mitchell is? If that was the case, we could deal them to another team for a huge haul. But GMs around the league know those guys are just role players.

Let's go for it and bring some damn excitement and legitimacy to our team again. At least we'll have some positivity and respect across the league again. And it's possible we can add some other players who might not have considering coming here before these moves.

[DowNY]

Eric Paschall still a FA right ?

Smells like backup PF replacement option for the cheap if we get DM.

[KnixinSix]

So many posts I think this bears repeating.......

I think we are underestimating the quality of the squad we will have with Brunson and D-Mitchell on board.




10 Reasons New York Knicks should trade for Donovan Mitchell


1. Our entire starting lineup will be 27 or under yet guys who have 4 or more years of NBA experience. Guys entering into their young prime of their career.

2. All the starters in the lineup are durable players who have not been injury prone players in their career (an underrated point)

3. Brunson arrow is pointing up and already better than Conley (for a Utah comp of how they will be a better backcourt than Utah had)

4. Randle is a 20pt scorer who has had mutiple years of near 50% FG efficiency as a secondary scorer and is an extremely well rounded player (if he plays like 2020 and most other of his past 5 years before then)

5. RJs arrow is pointing up and though a bit inefficient last year is still super young and can improve especially with a point guard like Brunson and playing more team ball.

6. The Mitchell Rob/Hartenstein/Sims combo at Center is an excellent one and Hart offers a stretch 5.

7. There WILL be enough of a bench left over from the trade as we are very deep and Ainge will probably relent a bit on the players going back for the picks.

8. If this trade goes down expect another move or 2 by Leon Rose to further solidify the roster construction esp if the trade leaves us weak in an area.

9. Our compete window will be longer than most teams that 'go for it' due to the young age of our core. Both Randles contract and D-Mitches contract will end at the same time and Knicks can go over the cap to sign them.

10. I think the final roster construction will be a STRONGER team than any squad Utah had.


***The key will be can Thibs get them to play enough team basketball on offense where they are always looking for the best shot and/or making the best play (as this will lead to higher efficiencies for guys like Randle and RJ) and do we keep enough quality defenders on the bench to complement our offense.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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I agree with this sentiment here,

a lot of assumptions are being made here…like if we acquire Donovan we have to automatically be in title contention immediately…

Furthermore, why is it a foregone conclusion that just because Timberwolves got f*cked that the Knicks automatically will too? I submit we are in stronger negotiating position than is commonly thought

We wouldn't have picks to improve, Mitchell is on a max rookie extension which means you can't trade for another one of those players and most of the stars are locked up in deals which makes FA harder.


Once you trade trade picks you have to compete.

[TerrenceClarke]

I've come around on doing this. Why tf not at this point. When is the next time we'll have a shot at adding a top 25 player in the league who is only 25 years old? F it - let's do it. Give Utah the bag. Ainge is not going to move him if he doesn't love the deal, so we have to give up what it takes to get him. 6 1sts plus all the kids the Jazz want (Ainge wants no part of RJ and his contract). All of them.

At least we'll field a team that's exciting and should be good for many years. Where are we going if we don't do it? With adding only Brunson, we're not going anywhere. We all know that. We'll be stuck in middling hell for the next 5 years.

The Knicks brass don't care about the draft. That's been proven. So, what are we saving all these picks for if we have no interest in using them?

Grimes, Obi, IQ and 6 1sts. Lets do it.

That’s where I’m at too

[Ghetto Gospel]

It’s actually kind of crazy that Brunson, Barrett and Randle are prob the three best offensive players Mitchell will have played with (don’t give me spot up TS% warriors)

The most exciting team we've had since 2013. I want this. and imagine RJ takes a leap and Randle becomes efficient playing next to competent guards

Frankly, if you can keep RJ and Grimes, I don't really care that much about the picks

Brunson/Rose
Mitchell/Grimes
RJ/
Randle/
Mitch/Hart

We'd be a bit thin on forwards, but we'd still be good

RJ and Randle taking a backseat to Mitchell as the lead scorer with Brunson as a distributor would do wonders for their efficiency

The problem is, we'd be weak on defense with that backcourt, and you do absolutely need that depth to make it through the season, and we'd struggle to fill out the roster given the lack of picks and cap space, but if you're a good enough GM, you can find those types of guys

Would be a pretty fun roster.

outside of rose, they're all pretty young as well. even if the first year might look a little barren, we'd have ample time to get the necessary vet backups to make things interesting

[robillionaire]

I've come around on doing this. Why tf not at this point. When is the next time we'll have a shot at adding a top 25 player in the league who is only 25 years old? F it - let's do it. Give Utah the bag. Ainge is not going to move him if he doesn't love the deal, so we have to give up what it takes to get him. 6 1sts plus all the kids the Jazz want (Ainge wants no part of RJ and his contract). All of them.

At least we'll field a team that's exciting and should be good for many years. Where are we going if we don't do it? With adding only Brunson, we're not going anywhere. We all know that. We'll be stuck in middling hell for the next 5 years.

The Knicks brass don't care about the draft. That's been proven. So, what are we saving all these picks for if we have no interest in using them?

Grimes, Obi, IQ and 6 1sts. Lets do it.

its called draft picks?

With Brunson on board we probably won’t even be a lottery team or at worst it’ll be 13-14. We had 11th with Alec Burks as PG and no Brunson and Rose. Certainly they improve on that

I’m taking a verified winning $1000 scratch off ticket over a stack of unused scratch offs where you’re hoping for some even bigger $10,000 jackpot but more more likely will end up with losers and $2 winners

I really do think this is what it is at this point, gambling addiction. It’s even called the lottery. As long as we have all these piles of unscratched tickets aka young players who might break out and unused draft picks we can continue to dream about the future possibility of success even if we are living in dumpster. I’m ready to get back on our feet with a certified baller

[TheGreenArrow]

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[TrueWarrior]

I've come around on doing this. Why tf not at this point. When is the next time we'll have a shot at adding a top 25 player in the league who is only 25 years old? F it - let's do it. Give Utah the bag. Ainge is not going to move him if he doesn't love the deal, so we have to give up what it takes to get him. 6 1sts plus all the kids the Jazz want (Ainge wants no part of RJ and his contract). All of them.

At least we'll field a team that's exciting and should be good for many years. Where are we going if we don't do it? With adding only Brunson, we're not going anywhere. We all know that. We'll be stuck in middling hell for the next 5 years.

The Knicks brass don't care about the draft. That's been proven. So, what are we saving all these picks for if we have no interest in using them?

Grimes, Obi, IQ and 6 1sts. Lets do it.

Why stop there? Give em 10 picks, every swap, RJ, Cam, McBride, Sims, Rokas, and even Keels to make their lunches.

The thirst is so real. Dont be chumps!

[Fury]

I've come around on doing this. Why tf not at this point. When is the next time we'll have a shot at adding a top 25 player in the league who is only 25 years old? F it - let's do it. Give Utah the bag. Ainge is not going to move him if he doesn't love the deal, so we have to give up what it takes to get him. 6 1sts plus all the kids the Jazz want (Ainge wants no part of RJ and his contract). All of them.

At least we'll field a team that's exciting and should be good for many years. Where are we going if we don't do it? With adding only Brunson, we're not going anywhere. We all know that. We'll be stuck in middling hell for the next 5 years.

The Knicks brass don't care about the draft. That's been proven. So, what are we saving all these picks for if we have no interest in using them?

Grimes, Obi, IQ and 6 1sts. Lets do it.

Why stop there? Give em 10 picks, every swap, RJ, Cam, McBride, Sims, Rokas, and even Keels to make their lunches.

The thirst is so real. Dont be chumps!

Because that’s what would get the deal done

[KnicksNext]

So Ainge is gonna have a fire sale of all the veterans on the team and then try to play hard ball with Donovan Mitchell. That's gonna force Mitchell to publicly ask for a trade and then now he loses even more leverage. I think waiting it out is gonna work in our favor.

Nobody else can offer more and the more this plays out, the more Mitchell will get disgruntled especially if Ainge guts the team.

This is not going to happen. Ainge/Wade I'm sure have had a lot of conversations with Mitchell telling him they're going to take care of him and trade him to where he wants to go. They probably told him just to be patient and don't go public and he'll get what he wants. I can't imagine this hasn't happened.

[HEZI]

The problem with sending out Grimes is we end up with no defense on the wings and we're reliant on Randle reverting to 2020-21 LeJulius mode to make up for the lack of size in the backcourt.

The wings are the weakest area of our rotation, and will continue to be post-Mitchell trade, especially if Grimes is dealt.

Freon Hunt it’s your time to shine!

We will have to dig deep in to the GLeague rosters and find someone to fill that void

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