Bill Simmons' "Trade Value List", 2022 edition

[Wigginstime]

And how well did those 50 win seasons go for Harden? How did he perform when he was tasked with taking on that warriors team after losing Paul to injury? It’s not a matter of ring counting. There was a clear flaw in hardens play style that hindered your ability to win with him.

And dirk at least managed to make the NBA finals before 2011. We had something to at least go off of. There’s nothing to go off of with Harden.

Not to mention, I went on to explain why Harden is an incredibly flawed player without even mentioning rings. Is there a reason you’re ignoring that?

Luka up this point has just been as good as 2017 harden nowhere as good as prime harden. He is overrated, as his on/off and advanced stats outside of bpm are average

Well considering how Luka is only in his fourth year of basketball and 23 years old, I wouldn't expect him to be at Harden's level in his prime.

But I will say this: Luka in his fourth season took his team to the WCF without any all star caliber player on his team. Harden on the other hand in his entire career has not come close to accomplishing something like that.

If anything, Harden is the massively overrated one. He's got an MVP on his resume that he doesn't deserve, multiple instances of failed basketball and dicking his team over, extremely exploitable holes in his game (granted, so does Luka, but you'd expect that at his age), and no redeemable qualities in the meantime.

Harden literally did the same thing in 2015 carrying a team to the WCF where his 2nd best player was Trevor Ariza. He did have Dwight Howard on his roster; however, this was the version of Dwight who was struggling with post back surgery complications, only played 40 games, and looked like crap.

[TheLand13]

Well considering how Luka is only in his fourth year of basketball and 23 years old, I wouldn't expect him to be at Harden's level in his prime.

But I will say this: Luka in his fourth season took his team to the WCF without any all star caliber player on his team. Harden on the other hand in his entire career has not come close to accomplishing something like that.

If anything, Harden is the massively overrated one. He's got an MVP on his resume that he doesn't deserve, multiple instances of failed basketball and dicking his team over, extremely exploitable holes in his game (granted, so does Luka, but you'd expect that at his age), and no redeemable qualities in the meantime.

James Harden isn't a perfect player but you're a just straight up hater. By box metrics he is an elite player. By +/- stats he is an elite player. I get you don't like him but you really haven't come close to establishing your case. You claim he's overratted. Give me range of were you think he should fully ranked.

Was he ever top 3 player for a season in your mind?
Was he ever top 5 player for a season in your mind?
Was he ever top 15 player for a season in your mind?

Where am I denying that he's an elite player? Where have I ever denied that he is capable of putting up elite numbers? My stance has always been the following:

Harden has numerous holes in his game that are easy to exploit. He is not someone you can win with as the best player on your team. He lacks leadership skills. He is not as dedicated to the game of basketball as he could be. He makes selfish decisions that ultimately impact his teams ability to succeed.

Am I wrong here? Are these takes incorrect? If so, please point me to examples where I am wrong. The only thing I can think of is when he took the pay cut with the 76ers this year, which legitimately surprised me.

[TheLand13]

Luka up this point has just been as good as 2017 harden nowhere as good as prime harden. He is overrated, as his on/off and advanced stats outside of bpm are average

Well considering how Luka is only in his fourth year of basketball and 23 years old, I wouldn't expect him to be at Harden's level in his prime.

But I will say this: Luka in his fourth season took his team to the WCF without any all star caliber player on his team. Harden on the other hand in his entire career has not come close to accomplishing something like that.

If anything, Harden is the massively overrated one. He's got an MVP on his resume that he doesn't deserve, multiple instances of failed basketball and dicking his team over, extremely exploitable holes in his game (granted, so does Luka, but you'd expect that at his age), and no redeemable qualities in the meantime.

Harden literally did the same thing in 2015 carrying a team to the WCF where his 2nd best player was Trevor Ariza. He did have Dwight Howard on his roster; however, this was the version of Dwight who was struggling with post back surgery complications, only played 40 games, and looked like crap.

Ah ****, you're right. Completely forgot about this.

Correction has been made to the post.

[Harry Garris]

I don't listen to podcasts so once he went exclusively to podcasting he completely fell of the map for me.

1. Are his podcasts a big deal in the podcasting world?
2. Are they as lazy as this column?

I don't even know why he wrote it.

1. Yes, I believe his podcast is the top sports podcasts on apple.
2. I don't understand the constant need to call Bill Simmons lazy. You see it a lot here and especially on reddit. I get it, the guy gets to sit in a chair and talk about sports for a living and a lot of us would kill to have that job. Totally makes sense why that would make him unlikeable. But the guy runs a company and maintains a 3 podcast a week schedule that he's been doing for like 15 years. It's not the most difficult job in the world but it definitely isn't "lazy".

I've spent hours myself on player lists and rankings with breakdowns on my reasoning. It takes a lot more work than you'd think. Again it's not more difficult than working in the field all day or serving customers for 10 hours, but it is work and it takes time and effort.

[sp6r=underrated]

I don't listen to podcasts so once he went exclusively to podcasting he completely fell of the map for me.

1. Are his podcasts a big deal in the podcasting world?
2. Are they as lazy as this column?

I don't even know why he wrote it.

1. Yes, I believe his podcast is the top sports podcasts on apple.
2. I don't understand the constant need to call Bill Simmons lazy. You see it a lot here and especially on reddit. I get it, the guy gets to sit in a chair and talk about sports for a living and a lot of us would kill to have that job. Totally makes sense why that would make him unlikeable. But the guy runs a company and maintains a 3 podcast a week schedule that he's been doing for like 15 years. It's not the most difficult job in the world but it definitely isn't "lazy".

I've spent hours myself on player lists and rankings with breakdowns on my reasoning. It takes a lot more work than you'd think. Again it's not more difficult than working in the field all day or serving customers for 10 hours, but it is work and it takes time and effort.

I didn't call Bill lazy. He is an industrious man. He's established himself across multiple mediums, initiated multi-person projects, switched mediums multiple times. He's very hard working.

I called this column lazy because it was a lazy work product.

[Harry Garris]

I don't listen to podcasts so once he went exclusively to podcasting he completely fell of the map for me.

1. Are his podcasts a big deal in the podcasting world?
2. Are they as lazy as this column?

I don't even know why he wrote it.

1. Yes, I believe his podcast is the top sports podcasts on apple.
2. I don't understand the constant need to call Bill Simmons lazy. You see it a lot here and especially on reddit. I get it, the guy gets to sit in a chair and talk about sports for a living and a lot of us would kill to have that job. Totally makes sense why that would make him unlikeable. But the guy runs a company and maintains a 3 podcast a week schedule that he's been doing for like 15 years. It's not the most difficult job in the world but it definitely isn't "lazy".

I've spent hours myself on player lists and rankings with breakdowns on my reasoning. It takes a lot more work than you'd think. Again it's not more difficult than working in the field all day or serving customers for 10 hours, but it is work and it takes time and effort.

I didn't call Bill lazy. He is an industrious man. He's established himself across multiple mediums, initiated multi-person projects, switched mediums multiple times. He's very hard working.

I called this column lazy because it was a lazy work product.

Bill didn't write the column. It was probably some intern who tried their best to convert the podcast that he did into written form.

[sp6r=underrated]

1. Yes, I believe his podcast is the top sports podcasts on apple.
2. I don't understand the constant need to call Bill Simmons lazy. You see it a lot here and especially on reddit. I get it, the guy gets to sit in a chair and talk about sports for a living and a lot of us would kill to have that job. Totally makes sense why that would make him unlikeable. But the guy runs a company and maintains a 3 podcast a week schedule that he's been doing for like 15 years. It's not the most difficult job in the world but it definitely isn't "lazy".

I've spent hours myself on player lists and rankings with breakdowns on my reasoning. It takes a lot more work than you'd think. Again it's not more difficult than working in the field all day or serving customers for 10 hours, but it is work and it takes time and effort.

I didn't call Bill lazy. He is an industrious man. He's established himself across multiple mediums, initiated multi-person projects, switched mediums multiple times. He's very hard working.

I called this column lazy because it was a lazy work product.

Bill didn't write the column. It was probably some intern who tried their best to convert the podcast that he did into written form.

That makes his contribution to this work product even more lazy. I stand by comment. It was a lazy column.

Lots of very hard working people have days or projects they dog. He's not the first. I've seen plenty of hard working NBA players dog the January game against Minnesota

[FluLikeSymptoms]

I listen to some of Bill’s stuff because he’s older than me. So many of these content creators are too young to have any perspective. But you have to know you’re listening to a Celtics fan who is surrounded by people who don’t check him.

[ReddoverKobe]

I didn't call Bill lazy. He is an industrious man. He's established himself across multiple mediums, initiated multi-person projects, switched mediums multiple times. He's very hard working.

I called this column lazy because it was a lazy work product.

Bill didn't write the column. It was probably some intern who tried their best to convert the podcast that he did into written form.

That makes his contribution to this work product even more lazy. I stand by comment. It was a lazy column.

Lots of very hard working people have days or projects they dog. He's not the first. I've seen plenty of hard working NBA players dog the January game against Minnesota

Just say you hate bill. Much easier then whatever you are trying to do here.

[ReddoverKobe]

I listen to some of Bill’s stuff because he’s older than me. So many of these content creators are too young to have any perspective. But you have to know you’re listening to a Celtics fan who is surrounded by people who don’t check him.

Which he's never hid from so it makes no sense to be mad about it. It's like ordering a hamburger then being upset you got a hamburger.

[sp6r=underrated]

Bill didn't write the column. It was probably some intern who tried their best to convert the podcast that he did into written form.

That makes his contribution to this work product even more lazy. I stand by comment. It was a lazy column.

Lots of very hard working people have days or projects they dog. He's not the first. I've seen plenty of hard working NBA players dog the January game against Minnesota

Just say you hate bill. Much easier then whatever you are trying to do here.

Another addition to the foe list

[ReddoverKobe]

That makes his contribution to this work product even more lazy. I stand by comment. It was a lazy column.

Lots of very hard working people have days or projects they dog. He's not the first. I've seen plenty of hard working NBA players dog the January game against Minnesota

Just say you hate bill. Much easier then whatever you are trying to do here.

Another addition to the foe list

Okay lol