McMenanim: Belief that Durant trade demand was to force Nets to get rid of Kyrie

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Re: McMenanim: Belief that Durant trade demand was to force Nets to get rid of Kyrie 

Post#21 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:35 am

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Duke4life831 wrote:Ya Im going to say no to this. If the idea was just to get Kyrie off the team then they wouldnt have to go through with all of this KD trade stuff. It would just be as simple as them announcing they're looking to trade Kyrie because the front office doesnt want to deal with him anymore. And if they cant a deal done they will just pay him to sit at home and stay away from the team.

It makes sense from the perspective that KD doesn’t want to get his hands dirty. Conscious of his public perception, he’s not going to and demand that the Nets get rid of someone.

Instead, soon as Kyrie opted in, KD demanded a trade to put Nets on notice he’s not happy and is now sending out signals that it was about Kyrie without coming out and saying it.

Marks, Kyrie and KD probably aren’t directly communicating at this point I’d bet.


Ya but thats my point, he wouldnt have to publicly get his hands dirty. Im sure KD couldve just gone to the Nets front office and said, "Im done playing with Kyrie, but I dont want to be seen as the guy who is breaking this up." And Im sure the Nets front office would have zero hesitation to say okay and be the ones that publicly take the blame for wanting to get rid of Kyrie.

That seems much more simpler than KD wanting to still play for the Nets, but demanding a trade from the Nets with the hope that the Nets dont trade him but only trade Kyrie. He's KD, the Nets are going to do whatever it takes to keep him and keep him happy. Taking public heat for getting Kyrie off the team is something Im more that theyd be willing to do. Because its killing two birds with one stone. They get to keep KD and keep him happy, while also getting rid of Kyrie who Im pretty sure they dont even want anymore to begin with.
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Re: McMenanim: Belief that Durant trade demand was to force Nets to get rid of Kyrie 

Post#22 » by levon » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:39 am

It would be like KD to hold the whole league hostage and speculating. If the reporting is to be believed, the Nets have been trying to get straight answers for weeks now.

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Re: McMenanim: Belief that Durant trade demand was to force Nets to get rid of Kyrie 

Post#23 » by dockingsched » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:41 am

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dockingsched wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:Ya Im going to say no to this. If the idea was just to get Kyrie off the team then they wouldnt have to go through with all of this KD trade stuff. It would just be as simple as them announcing they're looking to trade Kyrie because the front office doesnt want to deal with him anymore. And if they cant a deal done they will just pay him to sit at home and stay away from the team.

It makes sense from the perspective that KD doesn’t want to get his hands dirty. Conscious of his public perception, he’s not going to and demand that the Nets get rid of someone.

Instead, soon as Kyrie opted in, KD demanded a trade to put Nets on notice he’s not happy and is now sending out signals that it was about Kyrie without coming out and saying it.

Marks, Kyrie and KD probably aren’t directly communicating at this point I’d bet.


Ya but thats my point, he wouldnt have to publicly get his hands dirty. Im sure KD couldve just gone to the Nets front office and said, "Im done playing with Kyrie, but I dont want to be seen as the guy who is breaking this up." And Im sure the Nets front office would have zero hesitation to say okay and be the ones that publicly take the blame for wanting to get rid of Kyrie.

That seems much more simpler than KD wanting to still play for the Nets, but demanding a trade from the Nets with the hope that the Nets dont trade him but only trade Kyrie. He's KD, the Nets are going to do whatever it takes to keep him and keep him happy. Taking public heat for getting Kyrie off the team is something Im more that theyd be willing to do. Because its killing two birds with one stone. They get to keep KD and keep him happy, while also getting rid of Kyrie who Im pretty sure they dont even want anymore to begin with.


Totally makes sense, but requires a level of communication/trust/transparency between KD and the Nets that may not be there.
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Re: McMenanim: Belief that Durant trade demand was to force Nets to get rid of Kyrie 

Post#24 » by kenwood3333 » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:42 am

KD probably doesn't know what he is doing, he just wanted to do something just for the sake of it
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Re: McMenanim: Belief that Durant trade demand was to force Nets to get rid of Kyrie 

Post#25 » by Pharmcat » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:45 am

Everyone is just throwing stuff at wall to see what sticks
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Re: McMenanim: Belief that Durant trade demand was to force Nets to get rid of Kyrie 

Post#26 » by Crives » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:48 am

We only know two things:
KD has requested trade, has not changed stance
KD has requested trade to phx

KD did not give public explanation. Maybe he explained to nets and nets have reason for pretending they don’t know, or maybe he didn’t tell them a reason
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Re: McMenanim: Belief that Durant trade demand was to force Nets to get rid of Kyrie 

Post#27 » by Jedi32 » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:50 am

Crives wrote:We only know two things:
KD has requested trade, has not changed stance
KD has requested trade to phx

KD did not give public explanation. Maybe he explained to nets and nets have reason for pretending they don’t know, or maybe he didn’t tell them a reason

i thought it was phx or miami?
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Re: McMenanim: Belief that Durant trade demand was to force Nets to get rid of Kyrie 

Post#28 » by Crives » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:52 am

Jedi32 wrote:
Crives wrote:We only know two things:
KD has requested trade, has not changed stance
KD has requested trade to phx

KD did not give public explanation. Maybe he explained to nets and nets have reason for pretending they don’t know, or maybe he didn’t tell them a reason

i thought it was phx or miami?


Yes phx or Miami from WOJ
But Haynes reported phx only, and others like Lowe said he wanted phx.
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Re: McMenanim: Belief that Durant trade demand was to force Nets to get rid of Kyrie 

Post#29 » by Jedi32 » Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:54 am

Crives wrote:
Jedi32 wrote:
Crives wrote:We only know two things:
KD has requested trade, has not changed stance
KD has requested trade to phx

KD did not give public explanation. Maybe he explained to nets and nets have reason for pretending they don’t know, or maybe he didn’t tell them a reason

i thought it was phx or miami?


Yes phx or Miami from WOJ
But Haynes reported phx only, and others like Lowe said he wanted phx.

oh ok, but doesn't matching ayton hurt y'all chances of landing kd?
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Re: McMenanim: Belief that Durant trade demand was to force Nets to get rid of Kyrie 

Post#30 » by Crives » Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:01 am

Jedi32 wrote:
Crives wrote:
Jedi32 wrote:i thought it was phx or miami?


Yes phx or Miami from WOJ
But Haynes reported phx only, and others like Lowe said he wanted phx.

oh ok, but doesn't matching ayton hurt y'all chances of landing kd?


Doesn’t change much, Ayton really became a non option when Kyrie opted in. Phx would never have traded Ayton + Mikal + Cam + picks.
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Post#32 » by Not2BeBothered » Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:02 am

hoosierdaddy34 wrote:I mean I guess it plausible? You don’t see Kyrie and KD too buddy buddy these days. reporter for ESPN Nick Freidell, who covered the Nets a ton last year, has been shouting that everyone on the team was miserable last year. That no one enjoyed it and there was no joy in that organization. I am sure KD isn’t exempt from that statement. It’s very possible that Kyrie choosing to fight the vaccine rather than be there for his teammates caused a deep wedge between the two.

1) Nick Fraudel is the worst
2) when KD asked to be traded, him and Kyrie was working out together in LA. They had scrimmages with Harrison Barnes, Cade and Sabonis were some of the other players working out with them.
3) KD defended Kyrie’s stance on the vaccine
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Re: McMenanim: Belief that Durant trade demand was to force Nets to get rid of Kyrie 

Post#33 » by NZB2323 » Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:07 am

I thought that KD made a trade demand after Kyrie, and KD didn’t want to be on the Nets if they traded Kyrie.
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Re: McMenanim: Belief that Durant trade demand was to force Nets to get rid of Kyrie 

Post#34 » by RoyceDa59 » Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:12 am

I just think Durant regrets his decision to tie his future to Kyrie and for going to a non established franchise.

He could have so easily not stayed with Golden State while also put himself in a position to win multiple more rings. He could have picked between a dozen different teams who would clear space for him.

Brooklyn was so random to begin with.

KD deserves better tbh, Kyrie/Nets have been a disaster for him.
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Re: McMenanim: Belief that Durant trade demand was to force Nets to get rid of Kyrie 

Post#35 » by whatisacenter » Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:18 am

RoyceDa59 wrote:I just think Durant regrets his decision to tie his future to Kyrie and for going to a non established franchise.

He could have so easily not stayed with Golden State while also put himself in a position to win multiple more rings. He could have picked between a dozen different teams who would clear space for him.

Brooklyn was so random to begin with.

KD deserves better tbh, Kyrie/Nets have been a disaster for him.


why does KD deserve better? he left a stable organization with maybe the lowest maintenance superstar ever to go play with his nutty buddy on a team where they could pick the coach and help choose players to round out the roster with friends.
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Re: McMenanim: Belief that Durant trade demand was to force Nets to get rid of Kyrie 

Post#36 » by Bologna Smasher » Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:19 am

Smokescreen most likely. Nets want to move Durant before Irving. Throwing something like this out there seems like an attempt to make it more likely that the Nets will just dump Kyrie on the Lakers or another team first.
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Post#37 » by Crives » Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:20 am

whatisacenter wrote:
RoyceDa59 wrote:I just think Durant regrets his decision to tie his future to Kyrie and for going to a non established franchise.

He could have so easily not stayed with Golden State while also put himself in a position to win multiple more rings. He could have picked between a dozen different teams who would clear space for him.

Brooklyn was so random to begin with.

KD deserves better tbh, Kyrie/Nets have been a disaster for him.


why does KD deserve better? he left a stable organization with maybe the lowest maintenance superstar ever to go play with his nutty buddy on a team they could pick the coach and help round out the roster with friends.


Basketball Illuminati told KD to leave for health of the league
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Post#38 » by Not2BeBothered » Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:21 am

RoyceDa59 wrote:I just think Durant regrets his decision to tie his future to Kyrie and for going to a non established franchise.

He could have so easily not stayed with Golden State while also put himself in a position to win multiple more rings. He could have picked between a dozen different teams who would clear space for him.

Brooklyn was so random to begin with.

KD deserves better tbh, Kyrie/Nets have been a disaster for him.

Which franchise could of cleared capspace and kept their core intact?
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Post#39 » by Karate Diop » Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:21 am

I feel like people are just throwing things at the wall and seeing if they'll stick... This goes against everything we know about KD and Kyrie's relationship, which is inexplicably strong :lol:
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Post#40 » by dockingsched » Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:26 am

Karate Diop wrote:I feel like people are just throwing things at the wall and seeing if they'll stick... This goes against everything we know about KD and Kyrie's relationship, which is inexplicably strong :lol:

Right now all we know is that 3 days after Kyrie opted into his contract to stay with the Nets, KD demanded a trade out of Brooklyn.

We don’t know why KD demanded a trade, but a trade demand tells us he’s prepared to continue his career separate from Kyrie.
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