Donovan Mitchell Thread #5 - Don't worry, nothing happens in this one

[thebuzzardman]

side bet. something happens on page 13.

Interpol gets GreenArrow at Bangkok International Airport?

[aq_ua]

side bet. something happens on page 13.

Someone will get banned?

[god shammgod]

We hope

knicks aint getting a bargain. sham will always tell you like it is. it aint gonna be cheap.

There's not cheap and there is ridiculous.
I'm ok with the first, hopefully that's where Aller is trying to get it.

I've been stating for a while, and this has been reported, it's about the combination of players and picks. More players in, less picks out. Less players in, more picks out.

Assumed Ainge asked for way too much to start, Aller/Leon counter with some form of too little, and all the haggling has been each side trying to push the trade into their version of over the reasonable middle.

And it's not as if there's a sticking point going on for a few days of a part that opposite but reasonable for both sides.
Like, for the Knicks, it's not wanting to include the 29 pick lightly or not protected and Ainge saying "well, then that costs Obi AND Grimes" (or more), etc

what did minny give ? 4 of their picks and a swap ? it's not gonna be less than that

[GONYK]

probably the best the knicks can hope for is that it's only as expensive as gobert was and not more expensive.

It will be more expensive, not sure why anyone would think it would be equal or less.

Because there are no other legitimate suitors

[Knick4Real]

We now have video of Ainge and Rose's meeting in LV...



...or it's GA hotel room in Thailand.

[thebuzzardman]

knicks aint getting a bargain. sham will always tell you like it is. it aint gonna be cheap.

There's not cheap and there is ridiculous.
I'm ok with the first, hopefully that's where Aller is trying to get it.

I've been stating for a while, and this has been reported, it's about the combination of players and picks. More players in, less picks out. Less players in, more picks out.

Assumed Ainge asked for way too much to start, Aller/Leon counter with some form of too little, and all the haggling has been each side trying to push the trade into their version of over the reasonable middle.

And it's not as if there's a sticking point going on for a few days of a part that opposite but reasonable for both sides.
Like, for the Knicks, it's not wanting to include the 29 pick lightly or not protected and Ainge saying "well, then that costs Obi AND Grimes" (or more), etc

If DM has already told Ainge he won't cooperate with a trade to anyone but the Knicks do you really believe another team is going to risk doing a big deal for a player who may be a malcontent? I don't think so. Yes, Ainge will get a good haul, but I feel like everyone is overstating his leverage.

I'll go with the reporter who said when a star is moved, the cost is always fairly high.
Ainge knows that, Knicks know that.
Ainge probably starts the negotiations 3 picks and players over the reasonable line, hoping the Knicks bite at 2 of those over the line, settling at one over.
Aller tries his best to get to the reasonable middle but there's probably a place where they are ok with "one asset too many" and now the fight is over which one, because there is a pick AND a player the Knicks would rather hold onto but Ainge is insisting.
At some point, someone relents.

Or this isn't true at all and Knicks and Jazz are truly motivated to move Randle and the Jazz to shed a year of Rudy Gay, and both are trying to draw in the Lakers, and then that is ANOTHER set of give/take to work out, as Lakers don't want to give up both picks (Ainge ask - or Knicks) and again, maybe they'll trade just one, and now it's Ainge vs Aller for that pick.

[K_ick_God]

Maybe do Randle for Russ and see if Danny will take a straight up Russ for DM deal

[bearadonisdna]

The more I ask questions the more people think I’m an idiot guess ill acting like I know everything like some other guys I know.

Life hack: don’t ask questions to those who don’t have answers .

[Jalen Bluntson]

I don't even care anymore. We're about to sell the farm for a guy we could have drafted. We're going to trade players we did draft but refuse to play. We have 400 draft picks for the first time in decades and the team doesn't care. It's like...WTF? Instead of participating in the draft...we are going to trade for players that we could have drafted after they sign a max deal.

What the fuq ever man. I'm no longer interested in this deal. Do it. Don't do it. I don't give a fat rats ass!

Instead of tanking a few years in the lottery they will take a few years trying to trade for overpriced players? With potential lottery picks. Unprotected. Really?

Here's my offer:

Some Oreos an eight ball and a carton of Newports. Three thousand pages of TS stats and whatever Besart can come up with while he is drunk. Oh...and ducler posting lineups like a bot! I'll sweeten the deal with a dinner date with Kornets mom and front row seats to Robert Randolph opening up for JD and the Straight Shot! Plus whatever we can get for bearadonis and Jimmit.

[3toheadmelo]

first time seeing this

Read on Twitter

[thebuzzardman]

knicks aint getting a bargain. sham will always tell you like it is. it aint gonna be cheap.

There's not cheap and there is ridiculous.
I'm ok with the first, hopefully that's where Aller is trying to get it.

I've been stating for a while, and this has been reported, it's about the combination of players and picks. More players in, less picks out. Less players in, more picks out.

Assumed Ainge asked for way too much to start, Aller/Leon counter with some form of too little, and all the haggling has been each side trying to push the trade into their version of over the reasonable middle.

And it's not as if there's a sticking point going on for a few days of a part that opposite but reasonable for both sides.
Like, for the Knicks, it's not wanting to include the 29 pick lightly or not protected and Ainge saying "well, then that costs Obi AND Grimes" (or more), etc

what did minny give ? 4 of their picks and a swap ? it's not gonna be less than that

Since I've got this bullsh*t memorized now :

Minnesota out:
2023 1st round unprotected
2025 1st round unprotected
2027 1st round unprotected
2029 1st round lightly protected (picks 1-5)
2026 (I think) right to swap
2022 Drafted #22 Kessler (pick equivalent - since he hasn't played)
2020 Drafted #23 Bolmaro (drafted by Knicks btw)
Jarred Vanderbilt, drafted 2018 around 40, JAG player - servicable
Beasley - good player, contract expires after upcoming season, age 25
Beverly - still decent? contract expires after upcoming season, age 34

[bearadonisdna]

I don't even care anymore. We're about to sell the farm for a guy we could have drafted. We're going to trade players we did draft but refuse to play. We have 400 draft picks for the first time in decades and the team doesn't care. It's like...WTF? Instead of participating in the draft...we are going to trade for players that we could have drafted after they sign a max deal.

What the fuq ever man. I'm no longer interested in this deal. Do it. Don't do it. I don't give a fat rats ass!

Instead of tanking a few years in the lottery they will take a few years trying to trade for overpriced players? With potential lottery picks. Unprotected. Really?

Here's my offer:

Some Oreos an eight ball and a carton of Newports. Three thousand pages of TS stats and whatever Besart can come up with while he is drunk. Oh...and ducler posting lineups like a bot! I'll sweeten the deal with a dinner date with Kornets mom and front row seats to Robert Randolph opening up for JD and the Straight Shot! Plus whatever we can get for bearadonis and Jimmit.

Throw yourself in to man . Add you as sweetener but you sound so bitter.

[Capn'O]

Man. That was a gross gif.

[DOT]

Someone seriously suggested trading for Westbrook and starting him over Brunson?

Either they haven't watched basketball in like 5 years or they're trolling.

[bearadonisdna]

Damn I can’t believe ainge hasn’t gone for the make this move or I’ll retire again stance:

Watch on YouTube

[Richard4444]

Nothing will happen in this thread...

Let's get to 100 pages fast!!! I want a new thread!!

[bearadonisdna]

Someone seriously suggested trading for Westbrook and starting him over Brunson?

Either they haven't watched basketball in like 5 years or they're trolling.

Hmm yea mentioned in 1 post about a 44m per year starting over a 25 m per year player , we’re aren’t talking about a series of post . It’s was mentioning possibly keeping him on team . Too triggered . Nobody said bulls . Relax.

[thebuzzardman]

There's not cheap and there is ridiculous.
I'm ok with the first, hopefully that's where Aller is trying to get it.

I've been stating for a while, and this has been reported, it's about the combination of players and picks. More players in, less picks out. Less players in, more picks out.

Assumed Ainge asked for way too much to start, Aller/Leon counter with some form of too little, and all the haggling has been each side trying to push the trade into their version of over the reasonable middle.

And it's not as if there's a sticking point going on for a few days of a part that opposite but reasonable for both sides.
Like, for the Knicks, it's not wanting to include the 29 pick lightly or not protected and Ainge saying "well, then that costs Obi AND Grimes" (or more), etc

what did minny give ? 4 of their picks and a swap ? it's not gonna be less than that

Since I've got this bullsh*t memorized now :

Minnesota out:
2023 1st round unprotected
2025 1st round unprotected
2027 1st round unprotected
2029 1st round lightly protected (picks 1-5)
2026 (I think) right to swap
2022 Drafted #22 Kessler (pick equivalent - since he hasn't played)
2020 Drafted #23 Bolmaro (drafted by Knicks btw)
Jarred Vanderbilt, drafted 2018 around 40, JAG player - servicable
Beasley - good player, contract expires after upcoming season, age 25
Beverly - still decent? contract expires after upcoming season, age 34

Quote myself! Hai! (James Brown voice)

Depending on what you think Bolmaro is, that's 4 picks, at least one "pick equivalent", Bolmaro I guess is a "young player" slot -
Don't really care that Beasley is 25 - he's filler. I mean, he's ok, not worthless, I'm not underrating him, but he's "ok" as a player, has his issues and distractions, I don't think Jazz see him as he'll fetch a return or they expect to retain him, but it's worth nothing he's a combination of serviceable and young.

Rose and/or Fournier are the $ filler of some use, with re-trade value, like Beasley and Beverly - these are approximations.
I don't think there was this "haul of youth" - it's two guys, MAYBE three if you count Beasley, Kessler hasn't played, he was drafted 22 for a reason you'd think, Bolmaro is 21 - didn't play much, but the Jazz were good, so who knows.

Market is set at some combination of 3 or 4 unprotected picks, 2 more picks or players, salary filler. Then you get into stuff like where the Knicks could trade Rose and Cam and Obi - but in this case Cam/Obi are both "filler for $" but also young players. But the Jazz lose on having a vet to trade.

Rose and/or Fournier and choose 6 of the following:
Obi/IQ/Grimes/Cam/Knicks 2023/Knicks 2025/Knicks 2027/Knicks 2029/Mavs 2023/Bucks 2025/Wiz 202X/Pistons 202X
Which 6 out 12 (or 7 in a "get it done" situation) are the Knicks willing to move.
Knicks want to retain some young players because depth and fit for next season but also future and also future deals
Knicks want to retain certain picks based on future ability to operate, not have trade blow up in faces 7 years from now, etc

[NoDopeOnSundays]

probably the best the knicks can hope for is that it's only as expensive as gobert was and not more expensive.

It will be more expensive, not sure why anyone would think it would be equal or less.

Because there are no other legitimate suitors

There were no other suitors for AD or Jrue, at the end of the day Ainge can always just wait till the deadline.

[snadler]

What if Mitchell’s preference is Miami?