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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#301 » by SOUNDCHASER » Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:02 am

Realtalk420 wrote:O. Robinson is playing good for Miami in the summer league. Do you think they will sign him? If they do, then I think O. Yurtseven gets available for cheap. One of them could be our 3rd center (or 2nd), I think they have some potencial to develop.

I wanted to snag Robinson and or Kofi Cockburn. Both Miami and Utah have an over abundance of extra centers so it is going to be interesting to see who they decide to keep since these 2 teams also snagged my other centers that I wanted in past drafts by taking Udoka Azubuike and O. Yurtseven. Now this year they take on Kofi and Orland, that coincidence is making me think they may have been reading my mind.
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#302 » by LAL1947 » Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:15 am

I'm not sure... but I don't think the Raptors have signed Christian Koloko to a contract yet.

Nico Harrison and Co should examine what's going on there to see if there's an opportunity to sign or trade for him? He could be a nice addition at Center. I think the Mavs need 1 more.
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Post#303 » by SOUNDCHASER » Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:37 pm

Of course we need more help at center you cannot invest in smaller players and expect a team to contend without a better option to man the middle. Powell is a trade piece with an expiring contract and the idiots in charge who let Brunson skate for absolutely nothing are gone so now Nico and Kidd own all the moves they make from here on out.

They got McGee and Wood so that is a good start but Powell and Kleeber are guys that will get us a player back with their expiring contracts and the player we get back will be better than what we give out since these kinds of transactions are usually for guys that are good but stuck on teams that are not contending or even wanting to contend because they are in a race for last place so they can get things underway to rebuild.

If you want to get into these kinds of trades you need to give out draft picks and expiring contracts that allow a tank team to ditch their guys that no longer fit their future direction and situation.

If you want to contend you need a better backup than the guy you need to trade because once he is gone your situation is going to be even worse. They could have attempted to add Orlando and Kofi so they would be better able to protect the rim when an injury sidelines JaValle. They need to have a real center in there for at least part of the game even if you have Wood. I would prefer that player be a vet since we are contending.

Whether or not it is Whiteside or Cousins, whoever is the guy they want they are in a waiting game at this point for all the money to dry up and then they need to find a rookie to develop that has more promise than Bingham unless they feel he was able to show something worth keeping him on.

Miami may keep 4 centers but I doubt that Utah keeps 5.
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#304 » by arkuo » Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:43 pm

I dont think Dwight Howard has been signed. He can be a backup or 3rd string center IMO.
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#305 » by deb » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:59 pm

SOUNDCHASER wrote:Of course we need more help at center you cannot invest in smaller players and expect a team to contend without a better option to man the middle. Powell is a trade piece with an expiring contract and the idiots in charge who let Brunson skate for absolutely nothing are gone so now Nico and Kidd own all the moves they make from here on out.

They got McGee and Wood so that is a good start but Powell and Kleeber are guys that will get us a player back with their expiring contracts and the player we get back will be better than what we give out since these kinds of transactions are usually for guys that are good but stuck on teams that are not contending or even wanting to contend because they are in a race for last place so they can get things underway to rebuild.

If you want to get into these kinds of trades you need to give out draft picks and expiring contracts that allow a tank team to ditch their guys that no longer fit their future direction and situation.

If you want to contend you need a better backup than the guy you need to trade because once he is gone your situation is going to be even worse. They could have attempted to add Orlando and Kofi so they would be better able to protect the rim when an injury sidelines JaValle. They need to have a real center in there for at least part of the game even if you have Wood. I would prefer that player be a vet since we are contending.

Whether or not it is Whiteside or Cousins, whoever is the guy they want they are in a waiting game at this point for all the money to dry up and then they need to find a rookie to develop that has more promise than Bingham unless they feel he was able to show something worth keeping him on.

Miami may keep 4 centers but I doubt that Utah keeps 5.


A couple of things.

It's Kleber, not Kleeber.

And you're way to high on rookies. You really think a second round or an undrafted center could do a better job on the mavs than Powell? No way in hell, I can pretty much guarantee that Powell is much much more capable of contributing this season and next few seasons than Kofi is. Center's need longer to develop than G/Fs. I'd even say there's a very realistic chance Kofi will never ever be as good as Powell.

So no, I don't think we need another center, especially a long shot project one. Nor do we need another backup with McGee, Wood, Kleber, Powell and Bertans all being above 6'10. Powell is good enough for the 4th string center

If he does get traded, then they should sign a minimum vet guy instead, not a green rookie. But playmaking and a 3&D wing are a bigger need right now than another Javale like player.
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#306 » by SOUNDCHASER » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:42 pm

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SOUNDCHASER wrote:Of course we need more help at center you cannot invest in smaller players and expect a team to contend without a better option to man the middle. Powell is a trade piece with an expiring contract and the idiots in charge who let Brunson skate for absolutely nothing are gone so now Nico and Kidd own all the moves they make from here on out.

They got McGee and Wood so that is a good start but Powell and Kleeber are guys that will get us a player back with their expiring contracts and the player we get back will be better than what we give out since these kinds of transactions are usually for guys that are good but stuck on teams that are not contending or even wanting to contend because they are in a race for last place so they can get things underway to rebuild.

If you want to get into these kinds of trades you need to give out draft picks and expiring contracts that allow a tank team to ditch their guys that no longer fit their future direction and situation.

If you want to contend you need a better backup than the guy you need to trade because once he is gone your situation is going to be even worse. They could have attempted to add Orlando and Kofi so they would be better able to protect the rim when an injury sidelines JaValle. They need to have a real center in there for at least part of the game even if you have Wood. I would prefer that player be a vet since we are contending.

Whether or not it is Whiteside or Cousins, whoever is the guy they want they are in a waiting game at this point for all the money to dry up and then they need to find a rookie to develop that has more promise than Bingham unless they feel he was able to show something worth keeping him on.

Miami may keep 4 centers but I doubt that Utah keeps 5.


A couple of things.

It's Kleber, not Kleeber.

And you're way to high on rookies. You really think a second round or an undrafted center could do a better job on the mavs than Powell? No way in hell, I can pretty much guarantee that Powell is much much more capable of contributing this season and next few seasons than Kofi is. Center's need longer to develop than G/Fs. I'd even say there's a very realistic chance Kofi will never ever be as good as Powell.

So no, I don't think we need another center, especially a long shot project one. Nor do we need another backup with McGee, Wood, Kleber, Powell and Bertans all being above 6'10. Powell is good enough for the 4th string center

If he does get traded, then they should sign a minimum vet guy instead, not a green rookie. But playmaking and a 3&D wing are a bigger need right now than another Javale like player.


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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#307 » by LAL1947 » Fri Jul 29, 2022 2:24 am

Juancho is off the board.
Josh Jackson could be worth a shot, to use at SF along with DFS and Bullock.
Only other names that are interesting are Sexton and Whiteside.
Or Schroeder if Sexton is unavailable.

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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#308 » by Apz » Fri Jul 29, 2022 2:13 pm

LAL1947 wrote:Juancho is off the board.
Josh Jackson could be worth a shot, to use at SF along with DFS and Bullock.
Only other names that are interesting are Sexton and Whiteside.
Or Schroeder if Sexton is unavailable.

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I mean, we got vet min to work with. Not sure looking at fa is that useful. Feels like if any would gp for vet min they would have signed. If something happens i guess it will be by trade, but i kinda want to see how this team will do
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#309 » by Teffer10 » Fri Jul 29, 2022 11:02 pm

LAL1947 wrote:Juancho is off the board.
Josh Jackson could be worth a shot, to use at SF along with DFS and Bullock.
Only other names that are interesting are Sexton and Whiteside.
Or Schroeder if Sexton is unavailable.

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I like Josh Jackson as a potential 3rd wing.
Not sure he'd be much better than Green but is a little bigger and has decent handles for wing.
Always thought he'd become a Stephen Jackson type player and could bring some attitude.
Also think this team's locker room chemistry could curb that attitude and turn it into something positive.

Also like DH and HW as situational/insurance players in the Boban role.

Morris could become nice cheap insurance as a big wing/PF.
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#310 » by SOUNDCHASER » Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:56 pm

You still have to worry about who would start if we lost McGee to injury and he is 34 years old so that is a very real concern that we need to address. Hassan or Demarcus would make for an interesting backup to have at the ready.

Cous is a good three point shooter some of the time and he has rebounding skills as well. The time he has had to heal means he should be back to his games skill level and be able to produce better than average numbers at center. Obviously as an older player he has issues of being Athletic enough and maybe he can take a page out of McGee's routines to get back even more. Looks to me like JaValle is an expert on rehabbing from injuries and that he has elevated his game every year since he was first here as a Mav.

Whiteside. He has rebounding down that much everyone knows. He seems to be pretty athletic still and just needs to concentrate on his free throw shooting and be ready to score when he gets called on which is not often enough for his current team since he is a 65% success rate on field goals.

Further Analysis: If you look at Cousins stats for the play offs he too upped his FG% to 65% during his time on the court in the playoffs during the 5 games Denver played and obviously with Jokic they do not need a guy like Cousins so he was only able to play for about 11 minutes per game in the playoffs.

Whitesides stats on the other hand took a crap in the play offs and that may be why he is not getting offered a contract to come back to Utah. FG% dropping to 41.7% and FT% dropping to 25% was obviously total garbage from him and look at who he had to play against.

Cousins upside for regaining his outside shooting touch would add to his potential value, so upon further review I would like to say that I would prefer Cousins over Whiteside. His age is only 31 so he is younger than HS. He Obviously has a bigger drive to succeed and cares enough about his legacy to play with more effort and to get back to his days of being a major factor on a team.
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#311 » by babyjax13 » Mon Aug 1, 2022 2:43 am

SOUNDCHASER wrote:You still have to worry about who would start if we lost McGee to injury and he is 34 years old so that is a very real concern that we need to address. Hassan or Demarcus would make for an interesting backup to have at the ready.

Cous is a good three point shooter some of the time and he has rebounding skills as well. The time he has had to heal means he should be back to his games skill level and be able to produce better than average numbers at center. Obviously as an older player he has issues of being Athletic enough and maybe he can take a page out of McGee's routines to get back even more. Looks to me like JaValle is an expert on rehabbing from injuries and that he has elevated his game every year since he was first here as a Mav.

Whiteside. He has rebounding down that much everyone knows. He seems to be pretty athletic still and just needs to concentrate on his free throw shooting and be ready to score when he gets called on which is not often enough for his current team since he is a 65% success rate on field goals.

Further Analysis: If you look at Cousins stats for the play offs he too upped his FG% to 65% during his time on the court in the playoffs during the 5 games Denver played and obviously with Jokic they do not need a guy like Cousins so he was only able to play for about 11 minutes per game in the playoffs.

Whitesides stats on the other hand took a crap in the play offs and that may be why he is not getting offered a contract to come back to Utah. FG% dropping to 41.7% and FT% dropping to 25% was obviously total garbage from him and look at who he had to play against.

Cousins upside for regaining his outside shooting touch would add to his potential value, so upon further review I would like to say that I would prefer Cousins over Whiteside. His age is only 31 so he is younger than HS. He Obviously has a bigger drive to succeed and cares enough about his legacy to play with more effort and to get back to his days of being a major factor on a team.

Whiteside was okay for us. 1/4 of the time he changes the game for the better, 1/2 the time he's just fine, the other 1/4 of the time he is a detriment. But, he's a backup now and those proportions are pretty good for a second or third string guy.
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#312 » by Maverick41 » Mon Aug 1, 2022 3:11 am

Personally, I would go for Whiteside with the intention of trading Powell's expiring deal for a wing or guard. If we trade Powell, we would need some big depth. Whiteside can provide a lot of what McGee does (not all) but at a cheaper cost.
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Post#313 » by Apz » Mon Aug 1, 2022 2:07 pm

I dont sign aanyone atm. Mavs need a3rd dfs/bullock guy. When that is done u can fill roster with a big if u want. No reason to fill lesser important roles before u know what that costs.
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#314 » by SOUNDCHASER » Tue Aug 2, 2022 2:00 am

Wood can probably play some at SF.

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