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Re: Let Danny Ainge Rot 

Post#141 » by TwitterFingers » Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:53 pm

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StojkoVrankovic wrote:This new front office is also trying to form the worst defensive backcourt in the league


Doesn’t matter that much with Thib’s drop coverage schemes.

So just like last season with Kemba and Fournier?

Teams are actively going to search out multiple players on your team defensively, Thibs isn't stopping anything


It really depends on how teams shoot the 3 on us. When we were the 4th seed we had teams missing a lot of 3’s against us. Thibs’s philosophy is don’t give up anything in the paint. Offenses are so good that you kind of have to pick your poison. Thibs will challenge Brunson, RJ and Spida to be better on rotations, but the perimeter defense won’t be good. It was better in 2020 when we started Bullock and Payton, but it still wasn’t good. We led the league in opponent wide open missed 3’s. They key to our defense was Mitch and Noel. Now we have Harkenstein and Mitch. Keep in mind that Brunson and Spida are humongous upgrades offensively. I think that matters more. It’s going to be interesting to see how it plays out.
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Let Danny Ainge Rot 

Post#142 » by D1SGRUNTL3D » Sun Jul 24, 2022 1:36 am

Educator wrote:This post is delusion. The Knicks cannot dictate how this goes down, because Utah is the one with the player the Knicks want.

Utah doesn't have to trade Mitchell to the Knicks. Utah doesn't have to trade him at all.

So if the Knicks want Mitchell badly enough, they'll pay for him.

Sure Utah doesn’t have to. Just add on a year or 2 to the rebuild


Go ahead and keep him until Mitchell demands a trade. Then it’ll be 2023 or 2024 and you’ll be 2 years behind .

Are some of you insane about Utah having leverage? 0.0% chance Ainge wants Mitchell on the roster at the start of camp.
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Re: Let Danny Ainge Rot 

Post#143 » by Antinomy » Sun Jul 24, 2022 1:57 am

The Murray & Gobert trades completely screwed up the trade market.

Neither of them were worth those deals.
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Re: Let Danny Ainge Rot 

Post#144 » by Zenzibar » Sun Jul 24, 2022 2:36 am

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beantownski wrote:knicks have no leverage in the situation. ainge will win the trade, and if the knicks get mitchell.....good luck with your 6'1" no defense backcourt.


I wouldn’t be so confident that Ainge will win the trade. This is a new knick front office


ainge wins pretty much every trade he does. he has mitchell locked up, so he can ask for a haul, and if he doesn't get it. just hold on to him. he'll still have good value even next offseason. knicks new front office has proven what exactly? that they can overpay randle?



Given the ridiculous contracts recently signed over the $40mil water level, I'm not sure how Julius Randle, a 20/10 player, is actually overpaid @ $23mil this year?
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Re: Let Danny Ainge Rot 

Post#145 » by OrangeBlueSkies » Sun Jul 24, 2022 2:48 am

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beantownski wrote:
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I wouldn’t be so confident that Ainge will win the trade. This is a new knick front office


ainge wins pretty much every trade he does. he has mitchell locked up, so he can ask for a haul, and if he doesn't get it. just hold on to him. he'll still have good value even next offseason. knicks new front office has proven what exactly? that they can overpay randle?



Given the ridiculous contracts recently signed over the $40mil water level, I'm not sure how Julius Randle, a 20/10 player, is actually overpaid @ $23mil this year?


Enlighten us how 20/10 randle is an overpay? We would love to know. You sound like a pure hater, it's shameful.
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Re: Let Danny Ainge Rot 

Post#146 » by OrangeBlueSkies » Sun Jul 24, 2022 2:49 am

D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:
Educator wrote:This post is delusion. The Knicks cannot dictate how this goes down, because Utah is the one with the player the Knicks want.

Utah doesn't have to trade Mitchell to the Knicks. Utah doesn't have to trade him at all.

So if the Knicks want Mitchell badly enough, they'll pay for him.

Sure Utah doesn’t have to. Just add on a year or 2 to the rebuild


Go ahead and keep him until Mitchell demands a trade. Then it’ll be 2023 or 2024 and you’ll be 2 years behind .

Are some of you insane about Utah having leverage? 0.0% chance Ainge wants Mitchell on the roster at the start of camp.



everyone just wants to bash the knicks ; even if it doesn't make sense or lines up. Didnt Utah, just about three weeks ago say they were holding onto mitchell? Not even 2 weeks pass and they are calling us trying to make a "deal" for donovan. utah is very transparent currently. I have no problem letting Donovan (unfortunately) and Danny rot. Yeah, we hold all the leverage. We can trade probably two first rounders and get an impact player somewhere, we do not need to empty the cupboards. Look at our roster, now look at Utah's roster. Hell, take into account all the draft picks as well... WHO HOLDS THE LEVERAGE? Educate me again... errr , better yet, change your username to "enlightened".
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Re: Let Danny Ainge Rot 

Post#147 » by dockingsched » Sun Jul 24, 2022 3:00 am

Danny Ainge has played the media game so well, with strategic leaks has created a sense that the Knicks are so close that now the Knicks fans will feel their front office failed if they don’t get Mitchell. This puts pressure on their front office to get it done.
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Re: Let Danny Ainge Rot 

Post#148 » by Catchall » Sun Jul 24, 2022 3:03 am

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D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:
Educator wrote:This post is delusion. The Knicks cannot dictate how this goes down, because Utah is the one with the player the Knicks want.

Utah doesn't have to trade Mitchell to the Knicks. Utah doesn't have to trade him at all.

So if the Knicks want Mitchell badly enough, they'll pay for him.

Sure Utah doesn’t have to. Just add on a year or 2 to the rebuild


Go ahead and keep him until Mitchell demands a trade. Then it’ll be 2023 or 2024 and you’ll be 2 years behind .

Are some of you insane about Utah having leverage? 0.0% chance Ainge wants Mitchell on the roster at the start of camp.



everyone just wants to bash the knicks ; even if it doesn't make sense or lines up. Didnt Utah, just about three weeks ago say they were holding onto mitchell? Not even 2 weeks pass and they are calling us trying to make a "deal" for donovan. utah is very transparent currently. I have no problem letting Donovan (unfortunately) and Danny rot. Yeah, we hold all the leverage. We can trade probably two first rounders and get an impact player somewhere, we do not need to empty the cupboards. Look at our roster, now look at Utah's roster. Hell, take into account all the draft picks as well... WHO HOLDS THE LEVERAGE? Educate me again... errr , better yet, change your username to "enlightened".


The Knicks badly want Donovan Mitchell, and the Jazz have him under contract for three years. The Jazz don't have to trade Donovan. He's not a distressed asset. That's why the Knicks have to make a big offer in order to get him. And from the reports that are leaking, it sounds as though that's what's happening.
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Re: Let Danny Ainge Rot 

Post#149 » by OrangeBlueSkies » Sun Jul 24, 2022 3:12 am

Catchall wrote:
OrangeBlueSkies wrote:
D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:Sure Utah doesn’t have to. Just add on a year or 2 to the rebuild


Go ahead and keep him until Mitchell demands a trade. Then it’ll be 2023 or 2024 and you’ll be 2 years behind .

Are some of you insane about Utah having leverage? 0.0% chance Ainge wants Mitchell on the roster at the start of camp.



everyone just wants to bash the knicks ; even if it doesn't make sense or lines up. Didnt Utah, just about three weeks ago say they were holding onto mitchell? Not even 2 weeks pass and they are calling us trying to make a "deal" for donovan. utah is very transparent currently. I have no problem letting Donovan (unfortunately) and Danny rot. Yeah, we hold all the leverage. We can trade probably two first rounders and get an impact player somewhere, we do not need to empty the cupboards. Look at our roster, now look at Utah's roster. Hell, take into account all the draft picks as well... WHO HOLDS THE LEVERAGE? Educate me again... errr , better yet, change your username to "enlightened".


The Knicks badly want Donovan Mitchell, and the Jazz have him under contract for three years. The Jazz don't have to trade Donovan. He's not a distressed asset. That's why the Knicks have to make a big offer in order to get him. And from the reports that are leaking, it sounds as though that's what's happening.


the reports that are being leaked by Ainge and Utah reporters, in order to try and force the Knicks hand into a terrible move? the one people that are leaking things are those with an agenda behind it.

please read below...


https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/23/23272048/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-leak-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-danny-ainge

do yourself a huge favor, and don't believe all these "leaked" reports you see... or you'll end up betting on Jabari Smith Jr. going #1.

Knicks dont have to make a "big offer". Nobody can come close to what we can offer. He aint distressed yet... give him about a month of winless basketball, let's see how mitchell handles that.
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Re: Let Danny Ainge Rot 

Post#150 » by Catchall » Sun Jul 24, 2022 3:28 am

OrangeBlueSkies wrote:
Catchall wrote:
OrangeBlueSkies wrote:

everyone just wants to bash the knicks ; even if it doesn't make sense or lines up. Didnt Utah, just about three weeks ago say they were holding onto mitchell? Not even 2 weeks pass and they are calling us trying to make a "deal" for donovan. utah is very transparent currently. I have no problem letting Donovan (unfortunately) and Danny rot. Yeah, we hold all the leverage. We can trade probably two first rounders and get an impact player somewhere, we do not need to empty the cupboards. Look at our roster, now look at Utah's roster. Hell, take into account all the draft picks as well... WHO HOLDS THE LEVERAGE? Educate me again... errr , better yet, change your username to "enlightened".


The Knicks badly want Donovan Mitchell, and the Jazz have him under contract for three years. The Jazz don't have to trade Donovan. He's not a distressed asset. That's why the Knicks have to make a big offer in order to get him. And from the reports that are leaking, it sounds as though that's what's happening.


the reports that are being leaked by Ainge and Utah reporters, in order to try and force the Knicks hand into a terrible move? the one people that are leaking things are those with an agenda behind it.

please read below...


https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/23/23272048/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-leak-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-danny-ainge

do yourself a huge favor, and don't believe all these "leaked" reports you see... or you'll end up betting on Jabari Smith Jr. going #1.

Knicks dont have to make a "big offer". Nobody can come close to what we can offer. He aint distressed yet... give him about a month of winless basketball, let's see how mitchell handles that.


Dude, you're in denial. Patrick Kinahan is a reliable sports broadcaster with more than 25 years on the air. He leaked that a deal is being finalized, bringing back a haul for Donovan Mitchell. When he did that, he irritated a few members of the Jazz's staff, but there was never any rebuttal to what he reported. He's the same guy that leaked the Gobert trade several hours before it was released by the league. He's not getting played here, and leaking the trade would only damage the Jazz's credibility and ability to walk away.

Forty-eight hours later, NYK sources are leaking that a deal is in the final stages as well. Those sources are not connected to the Utah sources. When multiple, independent release the same information, it's worth paying attention to.

The trade package is likely going to be along the lines of Obi, Grimes, Fournier, 4+ FRPs, and multiple swaps. The only question is which picks and what protections (if any) are put on them. The trade is going to be comparable to, or greater than, the Gobert deal. If it weren't, Ainge wouldn't be doing it.

There's also the option to expand the trade and move veteran players, like Fournier, Rudy Gay or Mike Conley to other teams.
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Post#151 » by jbk1234 » Sun Jul 24, 2022 3:41 am

dockingsched wrote:Danny Ainge has played the media game so well, with strategic leaks has created a sense that the Knicks are so close that now the Knicks fans will feel their front office failed if they don’t get Mitchell. This puts pressure on their front office to get it done.


I mean there's no real pressure on either team right now, and there won't be until training camp starts. There's no reporting out there that there are several bidders. The Heat are interested but can't beat the offer the Knicks already have on the table.
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Re: Let Danny Ainge Rot 

Post#152 » by SelfishPlayer » Sun Jul 24, 2022 5:35 am

Ainge will overplay his hand here. A short SG with an issue knocking down his 3 point shot has no history of having great value. Another season of poor three point shooting by Mitchell will potentially turn him into an undesirable contract.
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Post#153 » by Woodsanity » Sun Jul 24, 2022 5:53 am

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OrangeBlueSkies wrote:He won’t budge on his ask of SIX first round picks? No problem, let Mitchell ruin your tank and just have yourself a disgruntled superstar. We have all the assets and therefore we, the Knicks, can dictate how this goes down.

Don’t wanna trade us D Mitchell? Hey Brooklyn, how’s Randle, 4 firsts, and D Rose for KD?

We have 8 firsts at our disposal, don’t mess this up, and like I been saying since this regime took over, I’ve got faith in them not messing this up.

Even four firsts is a lot of picks, but if we can do fournier, Reddish, 4 firsts, I’m into it. If not let Danny [and unfortunately, Donovan] rot.

The less we give up in a Mitchell deal the more we have for a follow up deal to pair another star next to RJ:Brunson:Mitchell.

Yes, Randle and 3 or 4 firsts can get you something in this market.

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Relax its just a measly onovan Mitchell not a real superstar. The 2nd guy is more than enough and is actually overpay. :P
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Re: Let Danny Ainge Rot 

Post#154 » by NoStatsGuy » Sun Jul 24, 2022 8:08 am

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NoStatsGuy wrote:danny ainge been fleecing GMs in the NBA for years now. it has never braught much success the last years but hes in a league with a few others.

leon rose and dolan will crumble to his feet and give him everything he wants. i see where you comming from and your idea is correct. but the reality looks a lot different. the knicks are not dictating anything. the knicks are desperate and ainge will abuse that to the fullest.

they can just send donnie home and dont play him


This is a odd thing to say after Boston was just in the finals behind the players he got from that Nets trade. Like we’re just finding out what type of players those picks are turning into we wont know what the results will be from the ones that Gobert/Mitchell have turned into. The KD trade got him a title, Brooklyn tade has got Boston intothe finals or conference finals 4 of the last seven seasons…..I think he’s had sime success.


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Re: Let Danny Ainge Rot 

Post#155 » by iLLmatic860 » Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:31 am

Catchall wrote:
OrangeBlueSkies wrote:
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The Knicks badly want Donovan Mitchell, and the Jazz have him under contract for three years. The Jazz don't have to trade Donovan. He's not a distressed asset. That's why the Knicks have to make a big offer in order to get him. And from the reports that are leaking, it sounds as though that's what's happening.


the reports that are being leaked by Ainge and Utah reporters, in order to try and force the Knicks hand into a terrible move? the one people that are leaking things are those with an agenda behind it.

please read below...


https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/23/23272048/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-leak-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-danny-ainge

do yourself a huge favor, and don't believe all these "leaked" reports you see... or you'll end up betting on Jabari Smith Jr. going #1.

Knicks dont have to make a "big offer". Nobody can come close to what we can offer. He aint distressed yet... give him about a month of winless basketball, let's see how mitchell handles that.




Forty-eight hours later, NYK sources are leaking that a deal is in the final stages as well. Those sources are not connected to the Utah sources. When multiple, independent release the same information, it's worth paying attention to. .

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Re: Let Danny Ainge Rot 

Post#156 » by Swish1906 » Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:50 am

OrangeBlueSkies wrote:He won’t budge on his ask of SIX first round picks? No problem


Yes, im sure he has no problem letting the Knicks rot in the play-in

, Randle and 3 or 4 firsts can get you something in this market.


Yes, something like Turner and Hield since Randle "doesnt move the needle" and his contract cost two FRP to dump
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Post#157 » by BloodNinja » Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:53 am

He'll gather a "war chest" and then waste it like he did in Boston.
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Post#158 » by RB34 » Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:09 am

BloodNinja wrote:He'll gather a "war chest" and then waste it like he did in Boston.


Knicks fans would offer their first borns to get to the finals.
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Re: Let Danny Ainge Rot 

Post#159 » by Zvaart » Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:38 am

How entitled can you be to make a thread like this?

and then you wonder people laugh at the knicks fanbase

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Post#160 » by Adam1221 » Sun Jul 24, 2022 11:18 am

Knicks should probably hold out with whatever package they're offering I guess.
That being said, no way BKN takes that ugly trade you suggested.

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