TheLand13 wrote:OhayoKD wrote:TheLand13 wrote:
Yes, in fact Cleveland was in the bottom five that season for defense I believe.
But LeBron played for Miami, not Cleveland. So I don't see how that's relevant.
meant miami
In that case, the answer is still no. But that doesn't mean LeBron didn't deserve DPOY. Marc had a much better defensive supporting cast than LeBron did as well as a more in tuned system built around him.
And produced a vastly better defense with it. 5 points better when both on-court, that is a huge gap (and, to be generous to LeBron, let's not count the playoffs...).
TheLand13 wrote:He still, at the end of the day, determined whether or not Memphis was an elite defensive team or not. But LeBron couldn't just guard one guy and leave it at that. He usually had to guard the best player the entire game regardless of what position they played.
This sounds an awful lot like pro-Jordan arguments for DPOY...
TheLand13 wrote:The people who voted for Marc Gasol as DPOY didn't really factor in context and just looked at his advanced defensive stats, which were elite and among the best in the league. But there's a reason he didn't even make first team all defense, and that's because in the end, he wasn't even the best defensive center in the league. In fact, there were two centers who got first team all defense selections before he did. I'll probably do a more detailed breakdown of why LeBron deserved it over Gasol later on, but I wanted to make the point that not only was Gasol not better than LeBron, he wasn't even the best at his own position in regards to defense.
I will however admit that my statement where I claimed LeBron was "clearly" better was hyperbole and simply not correct. It's obviously close between the two. But with everything taken into consideration, I can't agree with the idea that Gasol deserved it over LeBron.
...and this gotta be a joke, cause it ain't no chance you're going to tell us that Tyson Chandler, Joakim Noah or *gulp* DEANDRE JORDAN were better defenders than Marc Gasol, right?
This place is a cesspool of mindless ineptitude, mental decrepitude, and intellectual lassitude. I refuse to be sucked any deeper into this whirlpool of groupthink sewage. My opinions have been expressed. I'm going to go take a shower.