Current State of Donovan

[AingesBurner]

It would be super interesting if Mitchell isn't traded and the Jazz pivot, such as getting Myles Turner.

I don’t think Danny is going to pivot, if Donovan is still on the team then most of the good vets are gone and we are a bottom 12 team in the West. We want a top 10 pick this year.

[bkohler]

It would be super interesting if Mitchell isn't traded and the Jazz pivot, such as getting Myles Turner.

I don’t think Danny is going to pivot, if Donovan is still on the team then most of the good vets are gone and we are a bottom 12 team in the West. We want a top 10 pick this year.

I could see Danny using Donovan and a later top ten pick to try and move into the top 3

[AingesBurner]

It would be super interesting if Mitchell isn't traded and the Jazz pivot, such as getting Myles Turner.

I don’t think Danny is going to pivot, if Donovan is still on the team then most of the good vets are gone and we are a bottom 12 team in the West. We want a top 10 pick this year.

I could see Danny using Donovan and a later top ten pick to try and move into the top 3

I think it’s more likely he would trade Donovan by himself for a top 3.

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This is how it went:

NYK: Hello, calling for Donovan...
Ainge: 8 picks, 4 unprotected, Grimes, Topin, Quickley and the Statue of Liberty!
NYK: ... ... ...
Ainge: Well OK then.
(hangs the phone and sends Tony Jones and Shams a text: "we talking again")

[AingesBurner]

This is how it went:

NYK: Hello, calling for Donovan...
Ainge: 8 picks, 4 unprotected, Grimes, Topin, Quickley and the Statue of Liberty!
NYK: ... ... ...
Ainge: Well OK then.
(hangs the phone and sends Tony Jones and Shams a text: "we talking again")

just waiting for the Knicks to cave.

[Cappy_Smurf]

It would be super interesting if Mitchell isn't traded and the Jazz pivot, such as getting Myles Turner.

That would be about as interesting as keeping Jefferson/Millsap to play for the 8 seed.

The decision to go that direction set the team back a decade. Once the Gobert trade went down, Utah's fate was sealed. If Utah wanted to retool they should have kept Gobert and traded DM for other win now pieces. Trading Gobert to retool around Mitchell would be a move that should get everyone involved canned.

[SoCalJazzFan]

It would be super interesting if Mitchell isn't traded and the Jazz pivot, such as getting Myles Turner.

That would be about as interesting as keeping Jefferson/Millsap to play for the 8 seed.

The decision to go that direction set the team back a decade. Once the Gobert trade went down, Utah's fate was sealed. If Utah wanted to retool they should have kept Gobert and traded DM for other win now pieces. Trading Gobert to retool around Mitchell would be a move that should get everyone involved canned.

I’m not saying it is what the Jazz should do, but if they don’t get what they want for Mitchell and were to pivot and trade for Myles Turner how would the team do? While there would certainly be a drop off on defense, a healthy and motivated Turner is a good rim protector, yet gives the added dimension of shorting range that Gobert didn’t have.

[Rauxcee]

It would be super interesting if Mitchell isn't traded and the Jazz pivot, such as getting Myles Turner.

That would be about as interesting as keeping Jefferson/Millsap to play for the 8 seed.

The decision to go that direction set the team back a decade. Once the Gobert trade went down, Utah's fate was sealed. If Utah wanted to retool they should have kept Gobert and traded DM for other win now pieces. Trading Gobert to retool around Mitchell would be a move that should get everyone involved canned.

I’m not saying it is what the Jazz should do, but if they don’t get what they want for Mitchell and were to pivot and trade for Myles Turner how would the team do? While there would certainly be a drop off on defense, a healthy and motivated Turner is a good rim protector, yet gives the added dimension of shorting range that Gobert didn’t have.

They would be fighting for a playin spot. Miles Turner, even healthy and motivated, isn't even a poor man's Gobert. It's a significant downgrade. If the Jazz couldn't get it done with Gobert, the best player on the team for miles and miles, and the best player the Jazz have had on the team in the last 20 years, they aren't getting anything done with Turner.

Not to mention Conely and Bogey are a year older, and we traded away our only other player that attempted defense (no, Pat Bev is not changing our perimeter defense).

Obviously the Jazz have some trade pieces from the Wolves, and even Clarkson and Bogey are tradeable, but all those players are lateral moves at most. None of those players are going to net us pieces to build around Donovan that will make us a better team then we were before. There is nothing we can do to makes us better than we were before with Mitchell on the team.

When you trade your best player, it's rebuild time. I've never seen a team be able to be more competitive than an 8 seed after trading their best player. Teams have tried, and they have fought for and 8th seed for years, before finally rebuilding. Which is what they should have done from the beginning instead of wasting everyone's time for 5-8 years.

[SoCalJazzFan]

What do you guys think of the latest rumors that the Jazz are interested in trading for RJ Barrett?
Would the Jazz be willing to extend him for what he is asking for based on his past performance?
Is this a negotiation tactic to strong arm the Knicks into giving up another unprotecte pick?

[AingesBurner]

What do you guys think of the latest rumors that the Jazz are interested in trading for RJ Barrett?
Would the Jazz be willing to extend him for what he is asking for based on his past performance?
Is this a negotiation tactic to strong arm the Knicks into giving up another unprotecte pick?

Eh, rumors are so back and forth now, it’s hard to believe anything until it’s done.

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What do you guys think of the latest rumors that the Jazz are interested in trading for RJ Barrett?
Would the Jazz be willing to extend him for what he is asking for based on his past performance?
Is this a negotiation tactic to strong arm the Knicks into giving up another unprotecte pick?

Most probably it's not true. It's most likely coming from NYK FO in an attempt to prepare the fanbase for a stunner of an offer so they can say "at least we didn't give up RJ Barrett".

Every reliable reporter on the Jazz side has reported that the Jazz don't seem interested in Barrett. I'm inclined to believe that.

[JonFromVA]

It would be super interesting if Mitchell isn't traded and the Jazz pivot, such as getting Myles Turner.

That would be about as interesting as keeping Jefferson/Millsap to play for the 8 seed.

The decision to go that direction set the team back a decade. Once the Gobert trade went down, Utah's fate was sealed. If Utah wanted to retool they should have kept Gobert and traded DM for other win now pieces. Trading Gobert to retool around Mitchell would be a move that should get everyone involved canned.

Are you forgetting what Ainge pulled off in Boston after trading Pierce and KG and before Jaylen and Jayson arrived?

If Mitchell would put up with it, a quick rebuild is possibility.

[pickIBL]

It would be super interesting if Mitchell isn't traded and the Jazz pivot, such as getting Myles Turner.

That would be about as interesting as keeping Jefferson/Millsap to play for the 8 seed.

The decision to go that direction set the team back a decade. Once the Gobert trade went down, Utah's fate was sealed. If Utah wanted to retool they should have kept Gobert and traded DM for other win now pieces. Trading Gobert to retool around Mitchell would be a move that should get everyone involved canned.

Are you forgetting what Ainge pulled off in Boston after trading Pierce and KG and before Jaylen and Jayson arrived?

If Mitchell would put up with it, a quick rebuild is possibility.

Can the Jazz get bad enough with him to tank? Ainge just needs to pile up the unprotected picks from the Knicks and let them do what they do best.

[AingesBurner]

That would be about as interesting as keeping Jefferson/Millsap to play for the 8 seed.

The decision to go that direction set the team back a decade. Once the Gobert trade went down, Utah's fate was sealed. If Utah wanted to retool they should have kept Gobert and traded DM for other win now pieces. Trading Gobert to retool around Mitchell would be a move that should get everyone involved canned.

Are you forgetting what Ainge pulled off in Boston after trading Pierce and KG and before Jaylen and Jayson arrived?

If Mitchell would put up with it, a quick rebuild is possibility.

Can the Jazz get bad enough with him to tank? Ainge just needs to pile up the unprotected picks from the Knicks and let them do what they do best.

If it’s Utah and G Leaguers, don’t see how we don’t finish 13-15 in the West.

[ForeverRDjazz]

Are you forgetting what Ainge pulled off in Boston after trading Pierce and KG and before Jaylen and Jayson arrived?

If Mitchell would put up with it, a quick rebuild is possibility.

Can the Jazz get bad enough with him to tank? Ainge just needs to pile up the unprotected picks from the Knicks and let them do what they do best.

If it’s Utah and G Leaguers, don’t see how we don’t finish 13-15 in the West.

We better find Donovan a new home soon or else we stay borderline play in team. Not a spot i'm looking forward to. We're going to tank lets do a good job at tanking.

[JonFromVA]

That would be about as interesting as keeping Jefferson/Millsap to play for the 8 seed.

The decision to go that direction set the team back a decade. Once the Gobert trade went down, Utah's fate was sealed. If Utah wanted to retool they should have kept Gobert and traded DM for other win now pieces. Trading Gobert to retool around Mitchell would be a move that should get everyone involved canned.

Are you forgetting what Ainge pulled off in Boston after trading Pierce and KG and before Jaylen and Jayson arrived?

If Mitchell would put up with it, a quick rebuild is possibility.

Can the Jazz get bad enough with him to tank? Ainge just needs to pile up the unprotected picks from the Knicks and let them do what they do best.

They might be pretty bad with just Mitchell if they put nothing around him; but that approach still comes down to the ping pong balls and talent evaluation.

Ideally you want to control your destiny, not leave it up to ping pong balls or even necessarily wait the many years it often takes to develop talent. For instance, Marcus Smart was Boston's reward for winning just 24 games after the trade, and it's now 8 years past and he finally looks like a core player going in to a season.

If you look at that IT Celtic's team that won 48 games, it was pretty much built from trades, scraps and castoffs. I could imagine Ainge hoping to pull something like that off while holding on to Mitchell and he'd still have all the Gobert-picks to play with to improve the team.

Another option would be to hold on to Mitchell until he can be traded for a top draft pick rather than leaving it up to dysfunction and luck.

Anyway, if there's a moral to the story, it's don't trade with Danny Ainge. Leon Rose and World Wide Wes should stick to their Kentucky and CAA connections and properly collude a deal. That is after all why they were brought in.

[Hoppy1]

What determines Utah's first round picks for 23? Utah has their own and Minnesota's. But also either Houston, Brooklyn or Philadelphia's. Is it the best or worst of the 3?

[SoCalJazzFan]

What determines Utah's first round picks for 23? Utah has their own and Minnesota's. But also either Houston, Brooklyn or Philadelphia's. Is it the best or worst of the 3?

Lesser/worst.

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Jazz just traded Mitchell to the Cavs...

[mg]

That's a damn fine return Jazz fans. Nicely done.