Breaking: Kevin Durant has requested a trade; UPDATE: KD wants Sean Marks/Nash fired - Shams

[MagicBagley18]

You just said there’s no interest in kyrie and then in the next breathe said any contender would have interest in kyrie...how can it be both? I don’t agree with that really at all. Sure, his price may be low but you also risk rocking the boat and ruining any team dynamic that that team may have with kyrie’s unpredictability in terms of contenders trading for him.

Holy hell, completely missing the context which I layed in more than a little detail.

Gonna just assume reading comprehension is not your friend.

Kawhi is a top 5 player and he had a full training camp and season with a team to build cohesion and chemistry etc. kyrie is not the guy to just throw into the locker room and it’s all peace and love. Not to mention if he does come back and play his ass off and realizes there’s a market developing for him he could demand a trade at any time and has all the leverage in the last year of his deal.

Spectacularly missing the point yet again. Assuming 'every last gamble must look like the Kawhi situation' in order to make a relevant point, completely whiffing on the fact that it was one example in a ripe field of others.

Go home, "MagicBagley18,"
you're completely lacking in history, context, detail and currency.

Amazingly for a month I’ve gone back and forth with nets fans here and it’s been cordial the entire time but it seems there always one **** and in this case a giant one- perhaps that’s why gigante is in your handle so perhaps you were warning everyone and I should have known better. Ask yourself why there’s no market or interested teams for kyrie? Do you think it’s because he’s not talented? Or do you think maybe it’s because of his questionable locker room and team history? You think teams are going to believe he changed because of a good start and good behavior in a contract year?

And No not every scenario has to end up like the kawhi one but it’s the example you used. kyrie and kawhi are 2 totally different risks. Kawhi was a flight risk because he could be a rental but he never was a malcontent in the locker room and in the organization. Kyrie is a huge risk from a chemistry standpoint and has a track record of being moody, not engaged and being difficult and unlike kawhi is not a player who has shown he can elevate a team himself with just his presence to championship status.

Your comparisons are off. Even if kyrie plays his ass off teams are going to extremely reluctant to trade for him- even contenders, just because of his history. Add in the fact of his contract status and now it’s really a risk. Of course this disregards the fact that IF a team decides to trade for him he can just say “I’m a rental and I will leave you” which means your return from those teams will be absolute **** and you’ll be limited to a select group of teams that think it’s worth the risk to begin with.

So no I’m not going anywhere I’ll enjoy my back and forth with people here who actually know what they are talking about and make sense. Go home? my feet up on your couch. Talk about lacking history and context pot meet kettle.

[MrDollarBills]

The only team crazy enough to trade for Kyrie is the Lakers.

People around the league talk. Kyrie is one of the most talented players in the league and is only 30 years old, but got zero contract offers because the word is out on EVERYTHING that he did here to piss Joe Tsai and Sean Marks off. The stuff that we don't know about is probably more egregious than we can imagine.

It would not shock me if this is his last year in the league. You have to be a special kind of jackass to destroy your reputation around the league without even committing a crime.

[gigantes]

You just said there’s no interest in kyrie and then in the next breathe said any contender would have interest in kyrie...how can it be both? I don’t agree with that really at all. Sure, his price may be low but you also risk rocking the boat and ruining any team dynamic that that team may have with kyrie’s unpredictability in terms of contenders trading for him.

Holy hell, completely missing the context which I layed in more than a little detail.

Gonna just assume reading comprehension is not your friend.

Kawhi is a top 5 player and he had a full training camp and season with a team to build cohesion and chemistry etc. kyrie is not the guy to just throw into the locker room and it’s all peace and love. Not to mention if he does come back and play his ass off and realizes there’s a market developing for him he could demand a trade at any time and has all the leverage in the last year of his deal.

Spectacularly missing the point yet again. Assuming 'every last gamble must look like the Kawhi situation' in order to make a relevant point, completely whiffing on the fact that it was one example in a ripe field of others.

Go home, "MagicBagley18,"
you're completely lacking in history, context, detail and currency.

Amazingly for a month I’ve gone back and forth with nets fans here and it’s been cordial the entire time but it seems there always one **** and in this case a giant one- perhaps that’s why gigante is in your handle so perhaps you were warning everyone and I should have known better. Ask yourself why there’s no market or interested teams for kyrie? Do you think it’s because he’s not talented? Or do you think maybe it’s because of his questionable locker room and team history? You think teams are going to believe he changed because of a good start and good behavior in a contract year?

And No not every scenario has to end up like the kawhi one but it’s the example you used. kyrie and kawhi are 2 totally different risks. Kawhi was a flight risk because he could be a rental but he never was a malcontent in the locker room and in the organization. Kyrie is a huge risk from a chemistry standpoint and has a track record of being moody, not engaged and being difficult and unlike kawhi is not a player who has shown he can elevate a team himself with just his presence to championship status.

Your comparisons are off. Even if kyrie plays his ass off teams are going to extremely reluctant to trade for him- even contenders, just because of his history. Add in the fact of his contract status and now it’s really a risk. Of course this disregards the fact that IF a team decides to trade for him he can just say “I’m a rental and I will leave you” which means your return from those teams will be absolute **** and you’ll be limited to a select group of teams that think it’s worth the risk to begin with.

So no I’m not going anywhere I’ll enjoy my back and forth with people here who actually know what they are talking about and make sense. Go home? my feet up on your couch. Talk about lacking history and context pot meet kettle.

Once again, you've missed pretty much everything possible there was to miss, and it's only left to laugh at this point.

Or, here's a question for you, duderino-- who here actually cares what you have to say about anything at all..?

[Riconet]

I think this is what Marks and Tsai are thinking:

- We're only trading KD for a great package. He can leak and tweet all the BS he likes, but we aren't going to react.

- If we don't get a great package for KD over the summer, we'll start the season with him and wait until the deadline if needed.

- If KD shows up and plays hard, then all of the sudden we have a contender again. If KD doesn't show up, then we won't pay him. If he shows up and behaves badly in an attempt to force his way out, we'll suspend him. Either way, we're not trading KD until we get the deal we want.

- We aren't making a decision on Kyrie until we know what the outcome is with KD.

- If KD decides to stay and play hard, we'll probably keep Kyrie around since Kyrie will probably give a good contract-year effort and since keeping him around will make KD happy.

- If we trade KD, we'll probably trade Kyrie shortly thereafter for the best deal we can get.

- We aren't giving Kyrie a long-term extension under any circumstances.

- We aren't going to make any decisions on Simmons until we see him playing regularly. In any case we are going to try to rehabilitate his game and value as an asset, which is currently at rock bottom, by working with him and putting him in a good position to succeed.

[GTR11]

The only team crazy enough to trade for Kyrie is the Lakers.

People around the league talk. Kyrie is one of the most talented players in the league and is only 30 years old, but got zero contract offers because the word is out on EVERYTHING that he did here to piss Joe Tsai and Sean Marks off. The stuff that we don't know about is probably more egregious than we can imagine.

It would not shock me if this is his last year in the league. You have to be a special kind of jackass to destroy your reputation around the league without even committing a crime.

Now add the fact that LA giving up 2 unprotected 1st round picks!!! WTF Marks/Tsai thinking?

Really frustrated at this point. We talking about clown who has no idea what he does. He burned 3 teams and yet we got Sean who still playing around with bringing him back. THIS IS THE GUY WHO STARTED ALL THIS DUMPSTER FIRE FOR FU** SAKE. Get this dumb ass out of here.

[zimpy27]

Marks wants to keep the team together until Jan 15 when Ayton becomes available for trade.

It's the best of both worlds. Get to see how the team looks together and if it's a disaster then you can get a better trade package for Durant.

Only real risk is a significant injury to Durant

[Eatgreenz]

Why do ppl think those lakers picks would be so great. They could mess around and sign booker or tatum, they still would be a free agent hotbed. To add with AD no matter how many games he plays now were stuck with late 1st rd picks. Ill pass

[GTR11]

Marks wants to keep the team together until Jan 15 when Ayton becomes available for trade.

It's the best of both worlds. Get to see how the team looks together and if it's a disaster then you can get a better trade package for Durant.

Only real risk is a significant injury to Durant

I'll puke and will call for his head if true. Better take this saltic trade now.

It also don't make any sense. Ayton and anything was available just last month, they not giving up Booker. If Marks really think PHX will give up entire roster for KD, Seth and fillers I'm not sure it's better than JB, Grant and picks. I'll take 2nd in a heartbeat over 1st.

I'm starting to think Langdon not going to trade Ingram either. He's Sean's protege, he knows better what's up here. I think it's time to pull plug and do them deals. 2 unprotected picks from LA, JB, Grant and picks sound great imo. Most fans will be throwing parade if we get that.

[Netaman]

The only team crazy enough to trade for Kyrie is the Lakers.

People around the league talk. Kyrie is one of the most talented players in the league and is only 30 years old, but got zero contract offers because the word is out on EVERYTHING that he did here to piss Joe Tsai and Sean Marks off. The stuff that we don't know about is probably more egregious than we can imagine.

It would not shock me if this is his last year in the league. You have to be a special kind of jackass to destroy your reputation around the league without even committing a crime.

I 100% agree with this all right now, but that said if he's having a good year at the deadline as a rental he will have a market. if healthy and performing he will bring back more than 2 far off laker picks because he is a piece that can push someone over the top to being at a championship level.

obviously there are no guarantees he's healthy, or performing, or AWOL from the league, but i don't think it's worst gamble if the alternative is just the laker picks + westbrook.

[Packers+NetsWIN]

Marks wants to keep the team together until Jan 15 when Ayton becomes available for trade.

It's the best of both worlds. Get to see how the team looks together and if it's a disaster then you can get a better trade package for Durant.

Only real risk is a significant injury to Durant

Just keep in mind that since the Suns matched an offer sheet for Ayton, he can’t be traded until Jan. 15 at the earliest, and he can veto any trade in the first year of his deal. So if January 15th the nets are disaster like you mentioned was possibility, Ayton can veto any deal he is involved even if both teams agree on a trade involving him.

[zimpy27]

Marks wants to keep the team together until Jan 15 when Ayton becomes available for trade.

It's the best of both worlds. Get to see how the team looks together and if it's a disaster then you can get a better trade package for Durant.

Only real risk is a significant injury to Durant

I'll puke and will call for his head if true. Better take this saltic trade now.

It also don't make any sense. Ayton and anything was available just last month, they not giving up Booker. If Marks really think PHX will give up entire roster for KD, Seth and fillers I'm not sure it's better than JB, Grant and picks. I'll take 2nd in a heartbeat over 1st.

I'm starting to think Langdon not going to trade Ingram either. He's Sean's protege, he knows better what's up here. I think it's time to pull plug and do them deals. 2 unprotected picks from LA, JB, Grant and picks sound great imo. Most fans will be throwing parade if we get that.

Ayton was only available as an SnT and that means Nets would have been hardcapped. They'd have needed to cut a ton of salary and value for that to be possible.

I think Marks expects those trades to still be on the table in a few months time.

[John Murdoch]

The only team crazy enough to trade for Kyrie is the Lakers.

People around the league talk. Kyrie is one of the most talented players in the league and is only 30 years old, but got zero contract offers because the word is out on EVERYTHING that he did here to piss Joe Tsai and Sean Marks off. The stuff that we don't know about is probably more egregious than we can imagine.

It would not shock me if this is his last year in the league. You have to be a special kind of jackass to destroy your reputation around the league without even committing a crime.

Now add the fact that LA giving up 2 unprotected 1st round picks!!! WTF Marks/Tsai thinking?

Really frustrated at this point. We talking about clown who has no idea what he does. He burned 3 teams and yet we got Sean who still playing around with bringing him back. THIS IS THE GUY WHO STARTED ALL THIS DUMPSTER FIRE FOR FU** SAKE. Get this dumb ass out of here.

Yeah confusing from our end as well...the latest news of "running it back" seems off...Pelinka def will offer those picks unprotected because he might get fired if he doesnt produce this year. Also kinda strange timing for LBJ to extend unless he knows something is going down...than u factor in KD just bought Tom Bradys old house in Boston...feels like alot of coincidenses ..reading this forum i realize this can backfire on us too the way you guys talk about kyrie makes me nervous...but we got battered wife syndrome..after dealing with Brick for a season Kyrie the Shaman looks like prince charming lol. Either way cant wait for this all to be resolved...leaugue is in purgatory rn till its done

[Paradise]

The only team crazy enough to trade for Kyrie is the Lakers.

People around the league talk. Kyrie is one of the most talented players in the league and is only 30 years old, but got zero contract offers because the word is out on EVERYTHING that he did here to piss Joe Tsai and Sean Marks off. The stuff that we don't know about is probably more egregious than we can imagine.

It would not shock me if this is his last year in the league. You have to be a special kind of jackass to destroy your reputation around the league without even committing a crime.

Now add the fact that LA giving up 2 unprotected 1st round picks!!! WTF Marks/Tsai thinking?

Really frustrated at this point. We talking about clown who has no idea what he does. He burned 3 teams and yet we got Sean who still playing around with bringing him back. THIS IS THE GUY WHO STARTED ALL THIS DUMPSTER FIRE FOR FU** SAKE. Get this dumb ass out of here.

Yeah confusing from our end as well...the latest news of "running it back" seems off...Pelinka def will offer those picks unprotected because he might get fired if he doesnt produce this year. Also kinda strange timing for LBJ to extend unless he knows something is going down...than u factor in KD just bought Tom Bradys old house in Boston...feels like alot of coincidenses ..reading this forum i realize this can backfire on us too the way you guys talk about kyrie makes me nervous...but we got battered wife syndrome..after dealing with Brick for a season Kyrie the Shaman looks like prince charming lol. Either way cant wait for this all to be resolved...leaugue is in purgatory rn till its done

There’s nothing confusing about it.

1. We haven’t seen KD and Kyrie with Curry, healthy Joe Harris, Simmons, etc.

2. We don’t need to rush to deal him because we don’t feel the need to do anything. He wanted to retire in Brooklyn and decided to change his mind randomly because Kyrie didn’t get an extension…oh well. He’s signed here until 2026.

3. Those unprotected picks mean little to Marks and Tsai because they are far more picks coming to Houston throughout 2027 regardless.

Banking on the Lakers being trash by 2027-2029 is tempting but that’s extremely risky betting on those picks while we owe picks to Houston/OKC.

They’d rather bank on continuously fostering a championship possible contender in the East around Kyrie, Ben & KD until the wheels fall off and I think that’s the best move to make. Force KD to temper tantrum is way out so we don’t run the risk of being a franchise that star players feel they don’t need to respect and can force their way out easily.

- Jason Kidd
- Deron Williams
- James Harden

Now, KD. Keeping him sends a message to players across the league now and in the future of who’s in charge and it’s not the players.

[mademan]

KD isnt getting traded until KD demonstrates that it is an untenable situation. That's him going Ben Simmons or James Harden (Houston exit) or Jimmy Butler. I said it in another thread; the Nets will ignore KD's words until (and if) his actions make them make a move.

[MrDollarBills]

The only team crazy enough to trade for Kyrie is the Lakers.

People around the league talk. Kyrie is one of the most talented players in the league and is only 30 years old, but got zero contract offers because the word is out on EVERYTHING that he did here to piss Joe Tsai and Sean Marks off. The stuff that we don't know about is probably more egregious than we can imagine.

It would not shock me if this is his last year in the league. You have to be a special kind of jackass to destroy your reputation around the league without even committing a crime.

Now add the fact that LA giving up 2 unprotected 1st round picks!!! WTF Marks/Tsai thinking?

Really frustrated at this point. We talking about clown who has no idea what he does. He burned 3 teams and yet we got Sean who still playing around with bringing him back. THIS IS THE GUY WHO STARTED ALL THIS DUMPSTER FIRE FOR FU** SAKE. Get this dumb ass out of here.

Taking back Westbrook's contract is a non starter. No way.

I'm all for trading Irving but we need someone else to take back Westbrook

[MagicBagley18]

Holy hell, completely missing the context which I layed in more than a little detail.

Gonna just assume reading comprehension is not your friend.


Spectacularly missing the point yet again. Assuming 'every last gamble must look like the Kawhi situation' in order to make a relevant point, completely whiffing on the fact that it was one example in a ripe field of others.

Go home, "MagicBagley18,"
you're completely lacking in history, context, detail and currency.

Amazingly for a month I’ve gone back and forth with nets fans here and it’s been cordial the entire time but it seems there always one **** and in this case a giant one- perhaps that’s why gigante is in your handle so perhaps you were warning everyone and I should have known better. Ask yourself why there’s no market or interested teams for kyrie? Do you think it’s because he’s not talented? Or do you think maybe it’s because of his questionable locker room and team history? You think teams are going to believe he changed because of a good start and good behavior in a contract year?

And No not every scenario has to end up like the kawhi one but it’s the example you used. kyrie and kawhi are 2 totally different risks. Kawhi was a flight risk because he could be a rental but he never was a malcontent in the locker room and in the organization. Kyrie is a huge risk from a chemistry standpoint and has a track record of being moody, not engaged and being difficult and unlike kawhi is not a player who has shown he can elevate a team himself with just his presence to championship status.

Your comparisons are off. Even if kyrie plays his ass off teams are going to extremely reluctant to trade for him- even contenders, just because of his history. Add in the fact of his contract status and now it’s really a risk. Of course this disregards the fact that IF a team decides to trade for him he can just say “I’m a rental and I will leave you” which means your return from those teams will be absolute **** and you’ll be limited to a select group of teams that think it’s worth the risk to begin with.

So no I’m not going anywhere I’ll enjoy my back and forth with people here who actually know what they are talking about and make sense. Go home? my feet up on your couch. Talk about lacking history and context pot meet kettle.

Once again, you've missed pretty much everything possible there was to miss, and it's only left to laugh at this point.

Or, here's a question for you, duderino-- who here actually cares what you have to say about anything at all..?

I mean it’s probably a good idea to remember you responded to and quoted me not the other way around here so for starters at bare minimum I’d say you care.......

Secondly I haven’t missed anything you’re just wrong or at best articulating yourself extremely poorly and it comes across as hypocritical and extremely misinformed. instead of having an actual back and forth you deflect and get sarcastic and even when you do that it’s sub par at best and that’s on a good day while grading on a curve.

Lastly, over the last 30 or so days multiple nets posters have come to the Celtics board and we’ve had good dialogue back and forth even when we disagreed. I’ve been here and also had normal dialogue back and forth. Never an issue. I’m not gonna derail the thread or stop engaging in conversation with nets fans who actually have a clue and can offer valid opinions (so not you basically)

If you don’t like it sunshine, kick rocks.

[MagicBagley18]

The only team crazy enough to trade for Kyrie is the Lakers.

People around the league talk. Kyrie is one of the most talented players in the league and is only 30 years old, but got zero contract offers because the word is out on EVERYTHING that he did here to piss Joe Tsai and Sean Marks off. The stuff that we don't know about is probably more egregious than we can imagine.

It would not shock me if this is his last year in the league. You have to be a special kind of jackass to destroy your reputation around the league without even committing a crime.

100%...everyone knows how good of a basketball player kyrie is. He’s unbelievable at times and impossible to guard. He’s also enjoyable as hell to watch when he’s on but he’s not generating interest because of all of the character red flags that he brings with him and that’s not going away because he behaves for 30 games in a contract year.....

Trying to move him at the deadline is incredibly tricky just because of his contract status and who he is. I don’t think I’m splitting the atom saying that or stirring the pot. It’s possible he balls out all year and the nets reward him with a deal and everything’s hunky dory.
It’s also possible he demands out and rocks the boat again.....he’s unpredictable.

That’s exactly why teams have and will be wary of trading for him and he’s not “some easy pick up for a contender at the deadline”.

[MrDollarBills]

Marks wants to keep the team together until Jan 15 when Ayton becomes available for trade.

It's the best of both worlds. Get to see how the team looks together and if it's a disaster then you can get a better trade package for Durant.

Only real risk is a significant injury to Durant

I'd rather take Jaylen Brown + rotation players + picks.

[Tha King]

KD isnt getting traded until KD demonstrates that it is an untenable situation. That's him going Ben Simmons or James Harden (Houston exit) or Jimmy Butler. I said it in another thread; the Nets will ignore KD's words until (and if) his actions make them make a move.

The draft pick this year is the lesser of the Nets and rebuilding Rockets which means the team could still get a good draft pick if the season goes the other way. This takes some pressure off and allows the team to pivot if needed and potentially use the season to find the right trade. So in this scenario, it doesn't mean a trade would happen much sooner than the trade deadline or even next offseason.

So considering the above, would he actually potentially waste a season at this point in his career when he's on a roster that can contend and he seemingly wants to win? Even if there is a trade months into the season, sitting out to that point could mean essentially no individual accolades while winning a title might be difficult at best considering chemistry and what it would take to make a trade happen roster wise.

[MrDollarBills]

The only team crazy enough to trade for Kyrie is the Lakers.

People around the league talk. Kyrie is one of the most talented players in the league and is only 30 years old, but got zero contract offers because the word is out on EVERYTHING that he did here to piss Joe Tsai and Sean Marks off. The stuff that we don't know about is probably more egregious than we can imagine.

It would not shock me if this is his last year in the league. You have to be a special kind of jackass to destroy your reputation around the league without even committing a crime.

100%...everyone knows how good of a basketball player kyrie is. He’s unbelievable at times and impossible to guard. He’s also enjoyable as hell to watch when he’s on but he’s not generating interest because of all of the character red flags that he brings with him and that’s not going away because he behaves for 30 games in a contract year.....

Trying to move him at the deadline is incredibly tricky just because of his contract status and who he is. I don’t think I’m splitting the atom saying that or stirring the pot. It’s possible he balls out all year and the nets reward him with a deal and everything’s hunky dory.
It’s also possible he demands out and rocks the boat again.....he’s unpredictable.

That’s exactly why teams have and will be wary of trading for him and he’s not “some easy pick up for a contender at the deadline”.

Honestly, I have no issue with letting him play and letting his contract expire. I also would trade him to the Lakers tomorrow if they said they have a 3rd team to route Westbrook to