OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE

[Nate505]

This isn't a Yahoo story, it's National Review filth and I'm surprised Yahoo is running their stuff. Must be desperate for the cash.

Would a different link make you feel better?

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/2022/08/30/fan-who-was-banned-by-byu-does/

I'm not a big fan of the National Review, but at least they are willing to report on this. USA Today was very willing to report on the fact this happened, but hasn't been all that willing to report that it may not have happened.

[MrBigShot]

Duke should conduct their own investigation, and If it turns out she was lying there should be some very serious consequences. Lying about someone spouting hateful racial slurs, and falsely weaponizing racism in general, is not something to be taken lightly.

[Mavrelous]

This isn't a Yahoo story, it's National Review filth and I'm surprised Yahoo is running their stuff. Must be desperate for the cash.

Would a different link make you feel better?

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/2022/08/30/fan-who-was-banned-by-byu-does/

I'm not a big fan of the National Review, but at least they are willing to report on this. USA Today was very willing to report on the fact this happened, but hasn't been all that willing to report that it may not have happened.

I doubt rational discourse with a person who consider Yahoo quality source and National Review filth works...

[taikibansei]

The godmother who initially posted on Twitter had a history of racist posts against white people and other minorities and is running for office to be a judge…take that for what you will. Who knows if the story turns out to be accurate

You do realize that both BYU and the Mormon church have a long--including lots of recent stuff involving rape/incest--history of cover-ups and/or outright lies, yes?

I do agree that we don't know enough yet to make a judgement one way or the other. All I know is that if BYU/the Mormon church told me the weather is hot and sunny, I'd get out my ski jacket and my umbrella.

You do realize every group of people has long history of bad things, some have bad present even, if stereotyping is fine, then racism also is, in fact the latter is a direct result of the former...

You realize that the Mormon church is facing yet another series of lawsuits filed this year for decades of covering up rape/incest incidents and protecting their members, right?

Families of survivors say the church funnels sexual abuse claims to church lawyers before police, a VICE News investigation reveals.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/d3n73w/duty-to-report-the-mormon-church-has-been-accused-of-using-a-victims-hotline-to-hide-sexual-abuse-claims

In 1995, the Kirton McConkie law firm established the Church’s abuse hotline. It currently defends it in lawsuits alleging sexual abuse. While the law firm is not technically a part of the Mormon Church, it has played an essential role in helping it navigate potential lawsuits for decades, providing policy advice and serving as its legislative advocate. The Church is the law firm’s largest client.

However, the law firm’s role extends further. Vice reports that when calls come in, they are answered inside the Church’s Family Services agency and then transferred to Kirton McConkie. This prevents callers from being immediately connected with law enforcement who may then act on the reports.

https://www.hurley-law.com/chicago-injury-lawyers/why-the-mormon-church-abuse-hotline-hasnt-helped-victims/

You realize that BYU has also been sued repeatedly over the last five years because the honor code at BYU allowed it to punish rape victims who came forward...and punished these rape victims were.

Brigham Young University students who are victims of sex crimes say they are investigated by the school and sometimes disciplined after reporting their abuse.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/07/27/byu-students-say-victims-of-sexual-assault-are-targeted-by-honor-code/

Again, this is recent stuff, and it appears to be systemic. Again, while I don't necessarily believe the incident as described by this student's relative, I certainly don't believe anything coming out of BYU/the Mormon church. Sorry.

[MoneyTalks41890]

This isn't a Yahoo story, it's National Review filth and I'm surprised Yahoo is running their stuff. Must be desperate for the cash.

Would a different link make you feel better?

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/2022/08/30/fan-who-was-banned-by-byu-does/

I'm not a big fan of the National Review, but at least they are willing to report on this. USA Today was very willing to report on the fact this happened, but hasn't been all that willing to report that it may not have happened.

I doubt rational discourse with a person who consider Yahoo quality source and National Review filth works...

You think National Review is a legit source? It's literally a rag...

But if you even read the articles, all they say are:

1. The police do not think the person who came up to the Duke player after the game is the person who said slurs.
2. No one has reported the identity of the person who said slurs to the police.
3. The officer didn't hear the slurs, but did hear the black players getting called out by first name.

And that's enough for you all to to call this woman a liar? You probably bought the Louisville Police Department's Breanna Taylor explanation, too.

[taikibansei]

The godmother who initially posted on Twitter had a history of racist posts against white people and other minorities and is running for office to be a judge…take that for what you will. Who knows if the story turns out to be accurate

You do realize that both BYU and the Mormon church have a long--including lots of recent stuff involving rape/incest--history of cover-ups and/or outright lies, yes?

I do agree that we don't know enough yet to make a judgement one way or the other. All I know is that if BYU/the Mormon church told me the weather is hot and sunny, I'd get out my ski jacket and my umbrella.

Another Knick fan out to smear Utah and the Mormon church because of the Donovan Mitchell situation. This is getting ridic.

FWIW most religions have embellished the truth and covered crimes over the years esp including the Catholic church if we want to go down that road.

Um...given that I've posted repeatedly that I don't want to trade for Donovan Mitchell...I don't know what to say....

[Mavrelous]

You do realize that both BYU and the Mormon church have a long--including lots of recent stuff involving rape/incest--history of cover-ups and/or outright lies, yes?

I do agree that we don't know enough yet to make a judgement one way or the other. All I know is that if BYU/the Mormon church told me the weather is hot and sunny, I'd get out my ski jacket and my umbrella.

You do realize every group of people has long history of bad things, some have bad present even, if stereotyping is fine, then racism also is, in fact the latter is a direct result of the former...

You realize that the Mormon church is facing yet another series of lawsuits filed this year for decades of covering up rape/incest incidents and protecting their members, right?

Families of survivors say the church funnels sexual abuse claims to church lawyers before police, a VICE News investigation reveals.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/d3n73w/duty-to-report-the-mormon-church-has-been-accused-of-using-a-victims-hotline-to-hide-sexual-abuse-claims

In 1995, the Kirton McConkie law firm established the Church’s abuse hotline. It currently defends it in lawsuits alleging sexual abuse. While the law firm is not technically a part of the Mormon Church, it has played an essential role in helping it navigate potential lawsuits for decades, providing policy advice and serving as its legislative advocate. The Church is the law firm’s largest client.

However, the law firm’s role extends further. Vice reports that when calls come in, they are answered inside the Church’s Family Services agency and then transferred to Kirton McConkie. This prevents callers from being immediately connected with law enforcement who may then act on the reports.

https://www.hurley-law.com/chicago-injury-lawyers/why-the-mormon-church-abuse-hotline-hasnt-helped-victims/

You realize that BYU has also been sued repeatedly over the last five years because the honor code at BYU allowed it to punish rape victims who came forward...and punished these rape victims were.

Brigham Young University students who are victims of sex crimes say they are investigated by the school and sometimes disciplined after reporting their abuse.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/07/27/byu-students-say-victims-of-sexual-assault-are-targeted-by-honor-code/

Again, this is recent stuff, and it appear to be systemic. Again, while I don't necessarily believe the incident as described by this student's relative, I certainly don't believe anything coming out of BYU/the Mormon church. Sorry.

Same stories in Catholic church and jewish synagoges, even in secular public schools

[taikibansei]

Would a different link make you feel better?

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/2022/08/30/fan-who-was-banned-by-byu-does/

I'm not a big fan of the National Review, but at least they are willing to report on this. USA Today was very willing to report on the fact this happened, but hasn't been all that willing to report that it may not have happened.

I doubt rational discourse with a person who consider Yahoo quality source and National Review filth works...

You think National Review is a legit source? It's literally a rag...

But if you even read the articles, all they say are:

1. The police do not think the person who came up to the Duke player after the game is the person who said slurs.
2. No one has reported the identity of the person who said slurs to the police.
3. The officer didn't hear the slurs, but did hear the black players getting called out by first name.

And that's enough for you all to to call this woman a liar? You probably bought the Louisville Police Department's Breanna Taylor explanation, too.

Amen. Nothing posted here proves anything close to what's suggested in the OP.

[iLLmatic860]

Lmao Utah police is the last person I’ll believe

[GSWFan1994]

The godmother who initially posted on Twitter had a history of racist posts against white people and other minorities and is running for office to be a judge…take that for what you will. Who knows if the story turns out to be accurate

ahh, i see. if shes lying, which seems more likely than not based on what im reading, its very sick and strange to me. There is so much racism out there, why make it up? What does this do for her?

I wish i could ask her and Jussie Smollet why with some truth serum and get an honest answer. Do they just not feel black enough? maybe because shes a volleyball player at duke?

If this ends up being totally untrue, I think removing her from the team and revoking a scholorship if shes on one, may be the appropriate response.

My guess is the volleyball player heard something, told her godmother who embellished / fabricated the story and it went off from there. The godmother literally posted on Twitter the next day a thing tying this whole whole incident into her campaign for judge lol.

There's a saying here in Brazil that goes like, "beware of the idealist who profits from his ideals".

I'd also say, beware of the media trying to push a narrative too.

[Up-And-Coming]

If he's innocent this isn't cool (edit: which the updated evidence is showing that he specifically is). I understand the desire for diversity/inclusion but society has to catch up and pushback against some of the mob mentality (of any kind) that often rushes to judgement before the facts come out. Innocent bystanders shouldn't be cancelled by a guilty before proven innocent trial via Social Media Mobs. There should be repercussions for false accusations that get out of hand like this one (potentially).

[SeattleJazzFan]

i dont follow, so are they suggesting that shes lying? This story says that the team corroborates the story though, doesnt it? then it says that shes the only witness.

the way i see it, it's very possible she genuinely thought she heard something and her team stuck up for her. it's also possible somebody did say something, but there is simply no evidence of that. and the guy who was banned was not the same person (if it happened at all) who uttered the racial slur(s)

[SeattleJazzFan]

So it's one of three things:

#1) Someone did say something to her, but the wrong fan was pointed out. Sorta similar to say Ron Artest going and punching the wrong guy for throwing the beer.

#2) The BYU police are lying. That's happened many times before in history.

#3) She is lying. This happens less often, but it actually happened once featuring a different Utah school. In the 1998 Final Four, a Kentucky player accused a Utah player of calling him a racial slur. The Utah player denied it, and the Kentucky player later said he made it up.

#4) she genuinely thought she heard something - like in the "Dinger" situation from MLB mentioned earlier in this thread.

[Pelon chingon]

It was clear very quickly that her story was BS. Victim mentality strikes again.

[Nate505]

Lmao Utah police is the last person I’ll believe

I mean, fair enough I guess, but if she's claiming it happened every time she served, and if the match was televised, you would think some evidence would be out there.

If it were I imagine her godmother would be posting it for the world to see.

[SeattleJazzFan]

a friend once told me a story about a time his kid was playing youth basketball - there was a kid on the team who was 6-8" taller than everybody else and his dad would constantly tell him to put his hands up, to be big. he was always yelling "be bigger". this was a mostly white time with just a couple black kids on it. in one particular game, they were playing against a team of all black kids and of course the dad, like usual, kept yelling "be bigger!" at his son - and it doesn't take a genius to know what happened next.

the other team of course took exception to the racial slurs they thought they'd heard, but fortunately the few black parents on the mostly white team were able to explain what the dad was actually saying and that he yells it every game and practice he attends.

iow, it's very possible everybody in this story is entirely innocent and genuine (except the godmother) and that it was just a big misunderstanding.

[Lockdown504090]

ahh, i see. if shes lying, which seems more likely than not based on what im reading, its very sick and strange to me. There is so much racism out there, why make it up? What does this do for her?

I wish i could ask her and Jussie Smollet why with some truth serum and get an honest answer. Do they just not feel black enough? maybe because shes a volleyball player at duke?

If this ends up being totally untrue, I think removing her from the team and revoking a scholorship if shes on one, may be the appropriate response.

My guess is the volleyball player heard something, told her godmother who embellished / fabricated the story and it went off from there. The godmother literally posted on Twitter the next day a thing tying this whole whole incident into her campaign for judge lol.

There's a saying here in Brazil that goes like, "beware of the idealist who profits from his ideals".

I'd also say, beware of the media trying to push a narrative too.

The other thing id wanna know is if the story came from the girl, or from the grandmother or whatever she is to her. I feel like if someone was yelling the N word everytime she served, someone would have done something, even at byu. I do still hear it in some gyms, but something usually happens to the person that did it.

[azcatz11]

Lmao Utah police is the last person I’ll believe

I mean, fair enough I guess, but if she's claiming it happened every time she served, and if the match was televised, you would think some evidence would be out there.

If it were I imagine her godmother would be posting it for the world to see.

She served twice the entire match…which adds another layer of embellishment by the godmother

[SeattleJazzFan]

My guess is the volleyball player heard something, told her godmother who embellished / fabricated the story and it went off from there. The godmother literally posted on Twitter the next day a thing tying this whole whole incident into her campaign for judge lol.

There's a saying here in Brazil that goes like, "beware of the idealist who profits from his ideals".

I'd also say, beware of the media trying to push a narrative too.

The other thing id wanna know is if the story came from the girl, or from the grandmother or whatever she is to her. I feel like if someone was yelling the N word everytime she served, someone would have done something, even at byu. I do still hear it in some gyms, but something usually happens to the person that did it.

I guarantee "even at byu" this kind of crap isn't tolerated. and one other thing - byu students are absolute pros at tattletaling - it's honestly what they do best. if anybody were yelling those things, if they weren't physically stopped by the people around them, the authorities would have been notified faster than a man after hearing the pregnancy results.

[Up-And-Coming]

a friend once told me a story about a time his kid was playing youth basketball - there was a kid on the team who was 6-8" taller than everybody else and his dad would constantly tell him to put his hands up, to be big. he was always yelling "be bigger". this was a mostly white time with just a couple black kids on it. in one particular game, they were playing against a team of all black kids and of course the dad, like usual, kept yelling "be bigger!" at his son - and it doesn't take a genius to know what happened next.

the other team of course took exception to the racial slurs they thought they'd heard, but fortunately the few black parents on the mostly white team were able to explain what the dad was actually saying and that he yells it every game and practice he attends.

iow, it's very possible everybody in this story is entirely innocent and genuine (except the godmother) and that it was just a big misunderstanding.

Yes, that could be a possibility, that it was all just a big misunderstanding but then wouldn't that really really really suck for the person that was falsely accused and had to deal with the whole cancellation process/trial that was brought on not by himself but by someone else.