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Re: Vassell for Fultz 

Post#21 » by Skybox » Tue Sep 6, 2022 11:58 pm

Vassell is definitely one of my favorite hypotheticals. SAS has so many young wing prospects..it's easy to envision him having a Mikael Bridges type trajectory to his game. He's not a star but he'd be a great fit, IMO, next to our ( :nod: ) two star forwards...original offer doesn't do much for SAS, IMO...Fultz and Vassell are both intriguing prospects, but neither has really delivered much yet. Could be an entirely different conversation about either or both by the TD.
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Re: Vassell for Fultz 

Post#22 » by uraverage » Wed Sep 7, 2022 12:56 am

basketballRob wrote:Weltman needs to find another new GM and take him to the woodshed like he did the Bulls GM.

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Re: Vassell for Fultz 

Post#23 » by Bensational » Wed Sep 7, 2022 2:42 am

pepe1991 wrote:I'm not sold on idea Franz can run offense. It's not like he can't but probably shouldn't.
He is so great off ball that i don't see reasons why Magic should give him on ball duties.

He is way more "Klay Thompson" than he is "Tukogulu/Ingles". ( not comparing size, athletics, shooting , but how they are used)


I like this comparison to Franz, though the optimist in me holds out hope he can do more. However with Paolo capable of running point I don’t think Franz will need to and he could thrive in a similar Klay-like role.
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Re: Vassell for Fultz 

Post#24 » by Nyce_1 » Wed Sep 7, 2022 3:22 am

Damn, this is tough for me. LOVE Markelle but was also really high on Vassell in 2020. As much as I like the player (Markelle), I recognize his fit may not be a great compliment to Franz/Paolo because of his lack of outside shooting. Devin Vassell, to me, is in the same mold of Jabari Smith as an elite 3&D role player. He'd be AMAZING next to the playmaking of Poalo & Franz. Defensively, he and Jalen would probably form the best defensive backcourt in the league; both have all-defensive potential.

I'd rather send Suggs but if this were real, you'd have to go for it.
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Re: Vassell for Fultz 

Post#25 » by cedric76 » Wed Sep 7, 2022 5:12 am

Nyce_1 wrote:Damn, this is tough for me. LOVE Markelle but was also really high on Vassell in 2020. As much as I like the player (Markelle), I recognize his fit may not be a great compliment to Franz/Paolo because of his lack of outside shooting. Devin Vassell, to me, is in the same mold of Jabari Smith as an elite 3&D role player. He'd be AMAZING next to the playmaking of Poalo & Franz. Defensively, he and Jalen would probably form the best defensive backcourt in the league; both have all-defensive potential.

I'd rather send Suggs but if this were real, you'd have to go for it.


I don't know, I thinking suggs could fit nicely next to vassell, Franz,on,wcj

Fultz,vassell, Franz,on,wcj
Or
Suggs,vassell, Franz,on,wcj
Suggs, Tyus, Jase
Bane, AB, Jett
Franz, TDS,
P5, JI, Panda
Wcj, Goga, Moe
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Re: Vassell for Fultz 

Post#26 » by Jiwol » Wed Sep 7, 2022 6:04 am

cedric76 wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:Damn, this is tough for me. LOVE Markelle but was also really high on Vassell in 2020. As much as I like the player (Markelle), I recognize his fit may not be a great compliment to Franz/Paolo because of his lack of outside shooting. Devin Vassell, to me, is in the same mold of Jabari Smith as an elite 3&D role player. He'd be AMAZING next to the playmaking of Poalo & Franz. Defensively, he and Jalen would probably form the best defensive backcourt in the league; both have all-defensive potential.

I'd rather send Suggs but if this were real, you'd have to go for it.


I don't know, I thinking suggs could fit nicely next to vassell, Franz,on,wcj

Fultz,vassell, Franz,on,wcj
Or
Suggs,vassell, Franz,on,wcj


Who the hell is "on"?
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Re: Vassell for Fultz 

Post#27 » by Nyce_1 » Wed Sep 7, 2022 2:50 pm

cedric76 wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:Damn, this is tough for me. LOVE Markelle but was also really high on Vassell in 2020. As much as I like the player (Markelle), I recognize his fit may not be a great compliment to Franz/Paolo because of his lack of outside shooting. Devin Vassell, to me, is in the same mold of Jabari Smith as an elite 3&D role player. He'd be AMAZING next to the playmaking of Poalo & Franz. Defensively, he and Jalen would probably form the best defensive backcourt in the league; both have all-defensive potential.

I'd rather send Suggs but if this were real, you'd have to go for it.


I don't know, I thinking suggs could fit nicely next to vassell, Franz,on,wcj

Fultz,vassell, Franz,on,wcj
Or
Suggs,vassell, Franz,on,wcj


Jalen didn't show lead ball-handler abilities and I think that's an important skill for a PG (even with Paolo on the team). I was really surprised by his subpar handling; especially for a guard drafted that high. Hopefully he improved it.

It's one of the reasons I'd prefer Markelle; he can easily handle pressures and does a great job penetrating to the lane; with or without a screen. We'll see how Jalen does this season. Hopefully he gets more on-ball reps to see how that skill improved.
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Re: Vassell for Fultz 

Post#28 » by ogmagicfan » Wed Sep 7, 2022 7:18 pm

I like Vassell alot, however I think the Spurs like Vassell alot too, and it would take more than just Fultz to get him unless Fultz looks great this season which is possible.

I was watching Vassell closely last season when Dejounte was out later in the season. He has a scoring touch but can be streaky, and he is a work in progress when it comes to creating for others

His shooting splits increasing even while increasing usage the past couple of seasons is always a good sign though

Vassell would be the perfect insurance if Suggs doesnt pan out. We'd still have to get us a star talent at the PG/SG position to compliment either way though. I'm curious if Vassell could guard PG's on defense.
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Re: Vassell for Fultz 

Post#29 » by ogmagicfan » Wed Sep 7, 2022 7:20 pm

Skybox wrote:Vassell is definitely one of my favorite hypotheticals. SAS has so many young wing prospects..it's easy to envision him having a Mikael Bridges type trajectory to his game. He's not a star but he'd be a great fit, IMO, next to our ( :nod: ) two star forwards...original offer doesn't do much for SAS, IMO...Fultz and Vassell are both intriguing prospects, but neither has really delivered much yet. Could be an entirely different conversation about either or both by the TD.


Mikal Bridges is a good comparison for him.
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Re: Vassell for Fultz 

Post#30 » by thelead » Wed Sep 7, 2022 7:49 pm

Nope. I cringe at the thought of Cole and Suggs running the offense. Maybe that changes this year but it's a nope from me for right now.
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Re: Vassell for Fultz 

Post#31 » by cedric76 » Wed Sep 7, 2022 8:22 pm

thelead wrote:Nope. I cringe at the thought of Cole and Suggs running the offense. Maybe that changes this year but it's a nope from me for right now.


They would not run the offense
Suggs, Tyus, Jase
Bane, AB, Jett
Franz, TDS,
P5, JI, Panda
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Re: Vassell for Fultz 

Post#32 » by fendilim » Thu Sep 8, 2022 1:47 am

I’d do it.

DV at the 2 would be really nice for us. And Suggs is a pretty good defender. I expect him to at least be like Marcus Smart. Not a good shooter but elite defender. Suggs doesnt have to be the primary ballhandler anyway. With DV, Franz and Paolo, we pretty much have top 3 options right there and all Suggs has to do is make those wide open threes.
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Re: Vassell for Fultz 

Post#33 » by MagicFan101 » Thu Sep 8, 2022 2:42 am

Yeah, as much as I hope for a nice story from Fultz you have to say yes to this if the Spurs call with that offer. I just don’t see them doing that.
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Re: Vassell for Fultz 

Post#34 » by Icemanbrfc » Thu Sep 8, 2022 6:08 am

pepe1991 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
Orl_Magic wrote:Not confident Suggs can run the offense for us without getting a ton of turn overs.
He'll get better, Paolo and Franz can run most of the offense. If we paired Vassell and Suggs we'd have one of the best defensive backcourts in the league.

If Mikal Bridges can play SG, he may be a more realistic target if Phoenix takes a step back.

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I'm not sold on idea Franz can run offense. It's not like he can't but probably shouldn't.
He is so great off ball that i don't see reasons why Magic should give him on ball duties.

He is way more "Klay Thompson" than he is "Tukogulu/Ingles". ( not comparing size, athletics, shooting , but how they are used)

His pick&rolls as ballhandler were meh, average, .50th percentile, based on ppp & usage, bit worst than Evan Fournier who nobody wanted to see near ball on Orlando.
Sure he could improve on that with experience, but again ,i think he is best used as cutter and guy who moves without ball.
Agree.. the ball should be in Paolos hands...

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Re: Vassell for Fultz 

Post#35 » by drsd » Thu Sep 8, 2022 7:20 am

As usual, I am very happy that fans on RealGM do not contribute to management decisions for Orlando.

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Maybe there is an offer for Moses Moody, as a player whose skills more align with what Orlando is doing.

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Re: Vassell for Fultz 

Post#36 » by Creativetran » Wed Sep 14, 2022 2:28 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:I'd rather send Suggs but if this were real, you'd have to go for it.

Your kidding me you rather send Suggs then Fultz? I love this deal because it does a few things:

1. Clears playing time for Suggs to be the starting PG, I don't know if he's capable of it but I do think its his best position in the NBA. We spent the 5th pick on this guy we need to know if he can play or not. Fultz can lead our team better right now but I don't think he will ever be an above average starting PG because his shoot won't ever come back to form. We need someone who can space the floor better than what Fultz is capable of. Suggs shoot horribly as a rookie but I have faith his shoot will eventually be league average or better.

2. With Suggs and Cole manning the PG spot, we can balance our roster a bit more with Vassell at the 2 guard. I think his shooting and defense will fit in perfectly with this team.

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