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Re: Are we done making moves? 

Post#21 » by winforlose » Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:38 pm

Klomp wrote:While I understand why you are concerned about the PG depth, I would also like to point out that your traditional PG becomes less of a need the faster you play. I also think you should look historically at some of the best SGs of the last 20 years...most of them didn't have great PGs/depth. That's because when you put the ball in the hands of your talented wing, the need for a PG decreases.


1. Rudy and KAT will likely slow the pace a bit. I know Finch wants to play with pace, and I am not saying we won’t try, but I think a bit less pace is inevitable.

2. Ant has ball handling issues. I love the guy and hope he turns into the next MVP, but he sometimes dribbles off his own feet. He also tends to ball stop too much, dribbling for 10-12 seconds before either shooting or hot potatoing the ball on a low clock. I want Ant to take the leap, but I don’t want him to do it without a safety net.

3. I think this roster is our most talented EVER. I don’t even think there is a close second. I also think Finch is our best coach EVER and I know there isn’t a close second. I trust his judgment. When he sees these guys play together, he will make a determination. If he thinks Rivers or Nowell is enough depth, so be it. If not, he will likely have TC course correct on small and not very sexy moves.

Edit to add: Unless we move Naz for draft assets on the theory he is too good to stay and not get enough minutes next year, then all our moves are 3rd string margin moves. Our top 9-10 are set. I don’t see any big trades unless they involve upgrading Dlo, and even that I don’t think happens until the deadline. I think everyone from ownership to coaching staff wants to see Dlo play with Rudy. Any moves we make before the season will be very small and based entirely on camp and the preseason. Injury is the other variable, but we all have our fingers crossed for a healthy season.
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Re: Are we done making moves? 

Post#22 » by SO_MONEY » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:47 pm

Klomp wrote:While I understand why you are concerned about the PG depth, I would also like to point out that your traditional PG becomes less of a need the faster you play. I also think you should look historically at some of the best SGs of the last 20 years...most of them didn't have great PGs/depth. That's because when you put the ball in the hands of your talented wing, the need for a PG decreases.


I don't think we are going to play fast, we might be in the bottom half in pace, perhaps bottom of the bottom half. Just saying.
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Re: Are we done making moves? 

Post#23 » by jscott » Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:07 am

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Klomp wrote:While I understand why you are concerned about the PG depth, I would also like to point out that your traditional PG becomes less of a need the faster you play. I also think you should look historically at some of the best SGs of the last 20 years...most of them didn't have great PGs/depth. That's because when you put the ball in the hands of your talented wing, the need for a PG decreases.


I don't think we are going to play fast, we might be in the bottom half in pace, perhaps bottom of the bottom half. Just saying.

Why would you think that? We didn’t last year and Rudy likes to play uptempo.
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Re: Are we done making moves? 

Post#24 » by winforlose » Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:25 am

One more camp move, maybe.

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Re: Are we done making moves? 

Post#25 » by BlacJacMac » Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:52 am

jscott wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
Klomp wrote:While I understand why you are concerned about the PG depth, I would also like to point out that your traditional PG becomes less of a need the faster you play. I also think you should look historically at some of the best SGs of the last 20 years...most of them didn't have great PGs/depth. That's because when you put the ball in the hands of your talented wing, the need for a PG decreases.


I don't think we are going to play fast, we might be in the bottom half in pace, perhaps bottom of the bottom half. Just saying.

Why would you think that? We didn’t last year and Rudy likes to play uptempo.


I think its somewhere in between.

We were #1 in pace last year, Jazz have usually been near the bottom during Rudy's career:

2013: 26
2014: 30
2015: 30
2016: 30
2017: 25
2018: 13
2019: 24
2020: 18
2021: 22
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Re: Are we done making moves? 

Post#26 » by Klomp » Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:13 am

winforlose wrote:One more camp move, maybe.

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Re: Are we done making moves? 

Post#27 » by winforlose » Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:19 am

Klomp wrote:
winforlose wrote:One more camp move, maybe.

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That is why I qualified it with maybe. Dane said he might be available for camp. I don’t know how that works.
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Re: Are we done making moves? 

Post#28 » by Klomp » Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:38 am

winforlose wrote:That is why I qualified it with maybe. Dane said he might be available for camp. I don’t know how that works.

I don't believe it does. What you are thinking of would be Exhibit 10s, which NBA teams do to acquire G League rights of players. This was a move between the G League teams, so I doubt an Exhibit 10/training camp deal would factor into the equation because we already have his G League rights now.
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Re: Are we done making moves? 

Post#29 » by Movics » Fri Aug 26, 2022 4:06 am

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Re: Are we done making moves? 

Post#30 » by shrink » Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:21 pm

Our final G-League team might beat the Rockets.
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Re: Are we done making moves? 

Post#31 » by SO_MONEY » Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:12 pm

jscott wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
Klomp wrote:While I understand why you are concerned about the PG depth, I would also like to point out that your traditional PG becomes less of a need the faster you play. I also think you should look historically at some of the best SGs of the last 20 years...most of them didn't have great PGs/depth. That's because when you put the ball in the hands of your talented wing, the need for a PG decreases.


I don't think we are going to play fast, we might be in the bottom half in pace, perhaps bottom of the bottom half. Just saying.

Why would you think that? We didn’t last year and Rudy likes to play uptempo.


Literally the Jazz have been near the bottom of pace of play, I don't think Rudy and fast play mesh, nor do I think Kat and Rudy make this any better. I don't think it is a big secret that we are slowing things down.
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Re: Are we done making moves? 

Post#32 » by Klomp » Fri Aug 26, 2022 5:27 pm

The Jazz were last in pace for Snyder's first three seasons, but when Rubio arrived they sped up to 25th and then 13th (that was still with Favors at PF). After the switch to Conley it dropped back down to 24th, 18th and 22nd.

I'm not expecting the No.1 pace again, but I definitely think middle of the pack or even Top 10 is feasible.
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Re: Are we done making moves? 

Post#33 » by winforlose » Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:26 pm

Klomp wrote:
winforlose wrote:That is why I qualified it with maybe. Dane said he might be available for camp. I don’t know how that works.

I don't believe it does. What you are thinking of would be Exhibit 10s, which NBA teams do to acquire G League rights of players. This was a move between the G League teams, so I doubt an Exhibit 10/training camp deal would factor into the equation because we already have his G League rights now.


Locked on Wolves says he can as well if the Wolves invite him. I have no opinion on this as this is outside my knowledge base. I am simply repeating what Dane Moore and Ben Beckeen have said.
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Re: Are we done making moves? 

Post#34 » by SO_MONEY » Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:33 pm

Klomp wrote:The Jazz were last in pace for Snyder's first three seasons, but when Rubio arrived they sped up to 25th and then 13th (that was still with Favors at PF). After the switch to Conley it dropped back down to 24th, 18th and 22nd.

I'm not expecting the No.1 pace again, but I definitely think middle of the pack or even Top 10 is feasible.


I think middle of the pack is best case.
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Re: Are we done making moves? 

Post#35 » by Neeva » Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:17 pm

shrink wrote:Our final G-League team might beat the Rockets.


And the Thunder.
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Re: Are we done making moves? 

Post#36 » by ForeverRDjazz » Sun Sep 4, 2022 6:23 pm

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winforlose wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:Canis has an interesting piece today, breaking down the battle for the 15th roster spot, along with the 2-ways, Exhibt 10s and potential G League players:

https://www.canishoopus.com/2022/8/24/23318615/minnesota-timberwolves-add-front-court-depth-with-forwards-cj-elleby-and-luka-garza-nba


That is interesting. Do you think any team would pay a 2nd or two for Knight? If we could trade both Knight and Naz put Luka on a two way and sign Paschall to replace Knight that would certainty be interesting. Use the final roster spot to either offer Boogie a minimum or sign a PG and trade rivers for more second round capital. Keep the 15 spot open in case of injury. There are plenty of intriguing possibilities.


I honestly don't know if Knight has any trade value. But I would have no problem cutting Knight for Paschall.
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Re: Are we done making moves? 

Post#37 » by winforlose » Thu Sep 8, 2022 6:45 am

If Kemba Walker was available, would you guys want him on a minimum? Trade Forbes or Rivers (I honestly don’t care which,) and sign Walker. The thinking being he might be an upgrade over Forbes with everything except 3 point shooting and Forbes might be easier to move for a 2nd to a team looking for a cheap shooter. Rivers is not fully guaranteed so in a pinch he could be cut if we couldn’t move Forbes. Thoughts?

P.S, I know Kemba is washed and doesn’t play defense. But offensively I think he might still be good enough for 3rd string.
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Re: Are we done making moves? 

Post#38 » by frankenwolf » Thu Sep 8, 2022 7:41 pm

winforlose wrote:If Kemba Walker was available, would you guys want him on a minimum? Trade Forbes or Rivers (I honestly don’t care which,) and sign Walker. The thinking being he might be an upgrade over Forbes with everything except 3 point shooting and Forbes might be easier to move for a 2nd to a team looking for a cheap shooter. Rivers is not fully guaranteed so in a pinch he could be cut if we couldn’t move Forbes. Thoughts?

P.S, I know Kemba is washed and doesn’t play defense. But offensively I think he might still be good enough for 3rd string.


Nope, I don't think the Wolves need anybody like him right now
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Re: Are we done making moves? 

Post#39 » by KGdaBom » Thu Sep 8, 2022 7:52 pm

frankenwolf wrote:
winforlose wrote:If Kemba Walker was available, would you guys want him on a minimum? Trade Forbes or Rivers (I honestly don’t care which,) and sign Walker. The thinking being he might be an upgrade over Forbes with everything except 3 point shooting and Forbes might be easier to move for a 2nd to a team looking for a cheap shooter. Rivers is not fully guaranteed so in a pinch he could be cut if we couldn’t move Forbes. Thoughts?

P.S, I know Kemba is washed and doesn’t play defense. But offensively I think he might still be good enough for 3rd string.


Nope, I don't think the Wolves need anybody like him right now

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Re: Are we done making moves? 

Post#40 » by Zonarosa » Thu Sep 8, 2022 10:20 pm

kemba’s toast. absolutely zero reason to bother with the guy.

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