Who is the worst owner of the NBA?

[Stannis]

People keep saying Dolan here, I get he's an idiot but hasn't the Knicks story just been mostly about FO's having impatience and also not finding the right luck? They've had a ton of GMs in Dolan's time and they keep failing for different reasons that focus on those two things, try to win too quickly then get crap luck at rebuilding and then repeat since they think there's a fast-forward button to make up for that.

Feels like those aren't stemming form Dolan so much as he's not able to stop them, which seems way less direct and way more passive a role than some of these other owners.

It's entirely on Dolan. He always hires based on who can sell him on a quick turnaround plan and never seeks out seasoned executives with a track record of success who bring forth a longer vision. The faults you cite in the GMs under him are abiding by his precise hiring criteria and he does it over and over again, sometimes rehiring the same people who **** things up to begin with. It's why I fear what would happen if he has a knee jerk reaction to missing out on Mitchell. The unseasoned guys he hires need a little longer to settle in. If they're constantly fearing his hand coming down it increases the likelihood they do something stupid. Then, because they screw up so badly in a panic, he fires and hires another green fool and the process starts over.

Eggsactly. Dolan is the one who hired all these guys. And he thought he was outsmarting the league and staying a step ahead. It's his fault because he basically never actually hires somebody with front office experience lol.

He hired Phil Jackson because the plan was for him to flash his 11 champ;ipnsikp[ ringhsand free agents would be on their knees begging to join the Knicks.

Isiah Thomas was a former coach and got a job as Knicks president. We all know all the chances he got.

He hired Leon Rose because he was a player agent and has "relations" around the league.

Same with the Steve Mills and Scott Perry duo. Apparently these guys had "relations" around the league and players liked them and they would bring in Durant, Butler, or Leonard lol.

The last GM he hired that was a proven executive with a track record, was maybe Donnie Walsh. Who wasn't bad, but was an old man getting up their in age. He wasn't strong enough to hold his ground. And Dolan meddled. There's the rumors of him getting Isiah Thomas to make sure Amar're was signed to the full max when the Suns were only willing to give 2 years guaranteed. Then there's the Melo stuff. I liked what Donnie was doing but it's an impossible job to do if the owner doesn't give you full autonomy.

I said this many times. If Leon Rose fails. I want the Dolan to hire the most boring president and GM possible. I want somebody fairly unknown. No inside hires. No former players. No former coaches. No former agents or whatever. Basically a younger Donnie Walsh, but having Dolan stay the fck away.

[Capn'O]

People keep saying Dolan here, I get he's an idiot but hasn't the Knicks story just been mostly about FO's having impatience and also not finding the right luck? They've had a ton of GMs in Dolan's time and they keep failing for different reasons that focus on those two things, try to win too quickly then get crap luck at rebuilding and then repeat since they think there's a fast-forward button to make up for that.

Feels like those aren't stemming form Dolan so much as he's not able to stop them, which seems way less direct and way more passive a role than some of these other owners.

It's entirely on Dolan. He always hires based on who can sell him on a quick turnaround plan and never seeks out seasoned executives with a track record of success who bring forth a longer vision. The faults you cite in the GMs under him are abiding by his precise hiring criteria and he does it over and over again, sometimes rehiring the same people who **** things up to begin with. It's why I fear what would happen if he has a knee jerk reaction to missing out on Mitchell. The unseasoned guys he hires need a little longer to settle in. If they're constantly fearing his hand coming down it increases the likelihood they do something stupid. Then, because they screw up so badly in a panic, he fires and hires another green fool and the process starts over.

Eggsactly. Dolan is the one who hired all these guys. And he thought he was outsmarting the league and staying a step ahead. It's his fault because he basically never actually hires somebody with front office experience lol.

He hired Phil Jackson because the plan was for him to flash his 11 champ;ipnsikp[ ringhsand free agents would be on their knees begging to join the Knicks.

Isiah Thomas was a former coach and got a job as Knicks president. We all know all the chances he got.

He hired Leon Rose because he was a player agent and has "relations" around the league.

Same with the Steve Mills and Scott Perry duo. Apparently these guys had "relations" around the league and players liked them and they would bring in Durant, Butler, or Leonard lol.

The last GM he hired that was a proven executive with a track record, was maybe Donnie Walsh. Who wasn't bad, but was an old man getting up their in age. He wasn't strong enough to hold his ground. And Dolan meddled. There's the rumors of him getting Isiah Thomas to make sure Amar're was signed to the full max when the Suns were only willing to give 2 years guaranteed. Then there's the Melo stuff. I liked what Donnie was doing but it's an impossible job to do if the owner doesn't give you full autonomy.

I said this many times. If Leon Rose fails. I want the Dolan to hire the most boring president and GM possible. I want somebody fairly unknown. No inside hires. No former players. No former coaches. No former agents or whatever. Basically a younger Donnie Walsh, but having Dolan stay the fck away.

Also, Walsh was forced upon him by the league by accounts. As fans, we know that Stern had a closed doors meeting with Jim's father that preceded Walsh's hiring. To have been a fly on the wall.


You can also look at guys he didn't hire. Allegedly West, Colangelo (Bryan), and Presti all wanted the job and he explicitly didn't hire David Griffin after he demanded the ability to remove certain persons within the organization (full autonomy). Say what you will about some of those guys but each knew that the Knicks' situation was not one that could be fixed by one big move. Each has experience in elaborate rebuild situations and Dolan went the other way.

[jokeboy86]

It's entirely on Dolan. He always hires based on who can sell him on a quick turnaround plan and never seeks out seasoned executives with a track record of success who bring forth a longer vision. The faults you cite in the GMs under him are abiding by his precise hiring criteria and he does it over and over again, sometimes rehiring the same people who **** things up to begin with. It's why I fear what would happen if he has a knee jerk reaction to missing out on Mitchell. The unseasoned guys he hires need a little longer to settle in. If they're constantly fearing his hand coming down it increases the likelihood they do something stupid. Then, because they screw up so badly in a panic, he fires and hires another green fool and the process starts over.

Eggsactly. Dolan is the one who hired all these guys. And he thought he was outsmarting the league and staying a step ahead. It's his fault because he basically never actually hires somebody with front office experience lol.

He hired Phil Jackson because the plan was for him to flash his 11 champ;ipnsikp[ ringhsand free agents would be on their knees begging to join the Knicks.

Isiah Thomas was a former coach and got a job as Knicks president. We all know all the chances he got.

He hired Leon Rose because he was a player agent and has "relations" around the league.

Same with the Steve Mills and Scott Perry duo. Apparently these guys had "relations" around the league and players liked them and they would bring in Durant, Butler, or Leonard lol.

The last GM he hired that was a proven executive with a track record, was maybe Donnie Walsh. Who wasn't bad, but was an old man getting up their in age. He wasn't strong enough to hold his ground. And Dolan meddled. There's the rumors of him getting Isiah Thomas to make sure Amar're was signed to the full max when the Suns were only willing to give 2 years guaranteed. Then there's the Melo stuff. I liked what Donnie was doing but it's an impossible job to do if the owner doesn't give you full autonomy.

I said this many times. If Leon Rose fails. I want the Dolan to hire the most boring president and GM possible. I want somebody fairly unknown. No inside hires. No former players. No former coaches. No former agents or whatever. Basically a younger Donnie Walsh, but having Dolan stay the fck away.

Also, Walsh was forced upon him by the league by accounts. As fans, we know that Stern had a closed doors meeting with Jim's father that preceded Walsh's hiring. To have been a fly on the wall.


You can also look at guys he didn't hire. Allegedly West, Colangelo (Bryan), and Presti all wanted the job and he explicitly didn't hire David Griffin after he demanded the ability to remove certain persons within the organization (full autonomy). Say what you will about some of those guys but each knew that the Knicks' situation was not one that could be fixed by one big move. Each has experience in elaborate rebuild situations and Dolan went the other way.

The conspiracy guy in me thinks that if Stern had still been commissioner during this whole time that he would've tried to get Dolan to sell the team or as you suggested force another GM on him. Stern was open about saying that it's not good when the Knicks are bad or irrelevant and he would've grown tired of Dolan's ineptitude at this point.

[dickfox]

Sorry, can't take the list seriously since you spelt Jordan's name incorrectly.

[Capn'O]

Eggsactly. Dolan is the one who hired all these guys. And he thought he was outsmarting the league and staying a step ahead. It's his fault because he basically never actually hires somebody with front office experience lol.

He hired Phil Jackson because the plan was for him to flash his 11 champ;ipnsikp[ ringhsand free agents would be on their knees begging to join the Knicks.

Isiah Thomas was a former coach and got a job as Knicks president. We all know all the chances he got.

He hired Leon Rose because he was a player agent and has "relations" around the league.

Same with the Steve Mills and Scott Perry duo. Apparently these guys had "relations" around the league and players liked them and they would bring in Durant, Butler, or Leonard lol.

The last GM he hired that was a proven executive with a track record, was maybe Donnie Walsh. Who wasn't bad, but was an old man getting up their in age. He wasn't strong enough to hold his ground. And Dolan meddled. There's the rumors of him getting Isiah Thomas to make sure Amar're was signed to the full max when the Suns were only willing to give 2 years guaranteed. Then there's the Melo stuff. I liked what Donnie was doing but it's an impossible job to do if the owner doesn't give you full autonomy.

I said this many times. If Leon Rose fails. I want the Dolan to hire the most boring president and GM possible. I want somebody fairly unknown. No inside hires. No former players. No former coaches. No former agents or whatever. Basically a younger Donnie Walsh, but having Dolan stay the fck away.

Also, Walsh was forced upon him by the league by accounts. As fans, we know that Stern had a closed doors meeting with Jim's father that preceded Walsh's hiring. To have been a fly on the wall.


You can also look at guys he didn't hire. Allegedly West, Colangelo (Bryan), and Presti all wanted the job and he explicitly didn't hire David Griffin after he demanded the ability to remove certain persons within the organization (full autonomy). Say what you will about some of those guys but each knew that the Knicks' situation was not one that could be fixed by one big move. Each has experience in elaborate rebuild situations and Dolan went the other way.

The conspiracy guy in me thinks that if Stern had still been commissioner during this whole time that he would've tried to get Dolan to sell the team or as you suggested force another GM on him. Stern was open about saying that it's not good when the Knicks are bad or irrelevant and he would've grown tired of Dolan's ineptitude at this point.

There almost certainly would have been league pressure in some way. Likely during the Phil years.

[LakersLegacy]

Can’t believe Lakers ownership is in this. We won the championship in 2020 and it’s 2022. Completely unfair compared to franchises that haven’t won the championship in the last 40 years or ever.

Our star player Anthony Davis was injured. That happens

[Slim Charlez]

Between Dolan and Vivek for me. I think Dolan has to take it considering he owns an institution in the most important media market in the country and still has done absolutely nothing of note. The kings are still in Sacramento which is a big handicap.

[God Squad]

Dolan's so bad that the Brooklyn Nets are trying to stake claim of New York. Dolan arguably ended the talks about New York being the Mecca of basketball.

Ain't nobody note worthy wanna sign there anymore.

[Noctilux]

Dr Buss would be spinning in his grave, but Jeanie is lucky there are plenty of other bums around.

Well 95% of NBA owners are bums measured against Dr Buss.

[LascelleL]

Full disclosure I voted for Leonsis. The Wizards are moribund for no damn reason. Guy just doesn't care.

As an outside observer, he "cares" but in a different way. He seems to value loyalty and "family" more than anything else, thus giving Beal all that money PLUS the NTC. With the ridiculous amounts of picks being involved in all-stars being traded ever since Paul George in 2019, I'd imagine Beal would've fetched alot. Most any other franchise would've moved on from Beal years ago, gotten value for him in a trade and rebuilt.

But he'd rather be loyal to one guy, even if it means he's stuck where he is as far as results go. I can respect the guy for being honest about it. I'm just glad he doesn't own my team.

I don't know if he's related to the owner of the Wizard's when Arenas signed the big ass contract but that's why he did it. The owners for better or worse seemed to be really principled and value loyalty.

[Invictus88]

Sorry, can't take the list seriously since you spelt Jordan's name incorrectly.

He's talking about the guy from France; not the nba great. Sheesh!

[Stannis]

Dolan's so bad that the Brooklyn Nets are trying to stake claim of New York. Dolan arguably ended the talks about New York being the Mecca of basketball.

Ain't nobody note worthy wanna sign there anymore.

"Mecca of Basketball" is an old term and was moreso used to describe the playground/park culture of NYC, not MSG the building. I never understood why people associated "the Mecca" with MSG when a freakin hockey team plays there half the time lol.

In recent memory, Anthony Davis was willing to accept a trade to the Knicks and called it a fantastic organization. And we know Donovan Mitchell was wanted to go to the Knicks as well.

I still rank Dolan as the worst. But the idea that no worthy player would ever want to come here is not something I deem true. The Knicks are still a sleeping giant. They might be a sleep forever while Dolan is owner. But I think the NBA wants them to be good again. And I think some stars will have their eyes set on it because the city is ready for the taking.

[xinxin]

Why is this even a question? It’s Dolan of course .. especially after Sterling was kicked out as an owner..


As for Buss, she’s definitely not the best , but neither is she one of the worst. They just won a title 2 yrs ago.. that’s 1 title more than a lot of other teams..


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[zeebneeb]

Dolan's so bad that the Brooklyn Nets are trying to stake claim of New York. Dolan arguably ended the talks about New York being the Mecca of basketball.

Ain't nobody note worthy wanna sign there anymore.

New York was never the "mecca of basketball" a self given title is like a self given nickname, ridiculous.

Springfield Massachusetts is the mecca of basketball if you want to be real about it.

New York is just a huge media market, but their media, and fans are just so damn impatient, they can't build the right way, so it's a cycle of instant gratification, with no real foundation of winning.

Quicksand basketball.

Dolan is a symptom of the problem. Dolan is amongst the worst owners in the league because of this.

[Stannis]

Yall forget the GOAT Michael Jordan was born in New York /thread

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Full disclosure I voted for Leonsis. The Wizards are moribund for no damn reason. Guy just doesn't care.

As an outside observer, he "cares" but in a different way. He seems to value loyalty and "family" more than anything else, thus giving Beal all that money PLUS the NTC. With the ridiculous amounts of picks being involved in all-stars being traded ever since Paul George in 2019, I'd imagine Beal would've fetched alot. Most any other franchise would've moved on from Beal years ago, gotten value for him in a trade and rebuilt.

But he'd rather be loyal to one guy, even if it means he's stuck where he is as far as results go. I can respect the guy for being honest about it. I'm just glad he doesn't own my team.

I don't know if he's related to the owner of the Wizard's when Arenas signed the big ass contract but that's why he did it. The owners for better or worse seemed to be really principled and value loyalty.

you're loyal when you're taking less to stay with the team or, at least, when you're staying in tough times when there's a queue outside for your services.
if you're a tier 2-3 guy getting overpaid for supermax money I don't see any sacrifice, to be honest.

[LascelleL]

As an outside observer, he "cares" but in a different way. He seems to value loyalty and "family" more than anything else, thus giving Beal all that money PLUS the NTC. With the ridiculous amounts of picks being involved in all-stars being traded ever since Paul George in 2019, I'd imagine Beal would've fetched alot. Most any other franchise would've moved on from Beal years ago, gotten value for him in a trade and rebuilt.

But he'd rather be loyal to one guy, even if it means he's stuck where he is as far as results go. I can respect the guy for being honest about it. I'm just glad he doesn't own my team.

I don't know if he's related to the owner of the Wizard's when Arenas signed the big ass contract but that's why he did it. The owners for better or worse seemed to be really principled and value loyalty.

you're loyal when you're taking less to stay with the team or, at least, when you're staying in tough times when there's a queue outside for your services.
if you're a tier 2-3 guy getting overpaid for supermax money I don't see any sacrifice, to be honest.

Bradley has never demanded a trade, doesn't get in trouble. Just gives back to the community, goes to work and does his job well.

[PhilBlackson]

The Kings & The Kings East aka The Knicks.

[KnicksGadfly]

Dolan's so bad that the Brooklyn Nets are trying to stake claim of New York. Dolan arguably ended the talks about New York being the Mecca of basketball.

Ain't nobody note worthy wanna sign there anymore.

They’re trying but they’ll always be New Jersey. Real New Yorkers know.

[Smirk]

3. An owner in New Orleans who is alleged to have stolen the team away from rightful heirs.

You don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about.

Total nonsense.