Eurobasket 2022 Finals : SPAIN are European champions!!!

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Who will be new European champion?

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Post#921 » by lambchop » Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:23 pm

siFy wrote:Great tournament btw. High scoring games probably one of the most in the history of the Eurobasket and really compete games with a lot of comebacks that had been decided in amazing ways. Teams that have suprised and anothers have been a disappointment, upsets, a lot of unique moments like end all the games with the same score lol.

All that with the best teams missing key players, With the best rosters possible could had been even more fun.


This. Usually the defensive intensity combined with the rules will make it very difficult for players to score, but it seemed like an absolute non issue this time.
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Post#922 » by cloudXXI » Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:30 pm

You guys can complain all day long. The real thing is that Spain is, by far, the best nation in Europe making basketball players.

This summer, Spain:

Euro MEN -> gold
Euro Under20 MEN -> gold
Euro Under20 WOMEN -> gold
Euro U18 M -> gold
Euro U18 W -> silver
World Cup U17 M -> silver
WC U17 W-> silver
Euro U16 M -> silver
Euro U16 W -> silver

9 competitions, 9 finals

We have won 6 major competitions this century.

And there is also Sabonis, Doncic, Porzingis and lots of foreign players that arrived to Spain at a young age.

In FIBA U20 European Championship, Spain has won 16 medals. The second ones are France and Lithuania with 7 medals.

So, I´m sorry what Spain is doing better than anyone else in Europe.
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Post#923 » by CharityStripe34 » Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:48 pm

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Chuck Diesel wrote:Think it’s settled that Lorenzo Brown is better than any Greek guard who ever lived, save maybe the naturalized American Nicky Galis. :wink:


Galis wasn't a naturalized player genius.


Born and raised in New Jersey. Product of the American basketball system. Didn’t move to Greece till his mid 20’s. Giannis and his brothers are more Greek than little Nicky by a wide margin. Everything he accomplished as a hired mercenary for a foreign national team should be met with a giant asterisk. Shame on the Greek federation.


He is still a Greek national. Being born overseas doesn't change that. He simply has dual citizenship (as I do). The US doesn't distinguish nationality, as you're simply considered a citizen if you're born here. The actual American nationals are the indigenous population of the Western hemisphere.
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Post#924 » by Chuck Diesel » Tue Sep 20, 2022 1:32 am

CharityStripe34 wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:
Galis wasn't a naturalized player genius.


Born and raised in New Jersey. Product of the American basketball system. Didn’t move to Greece till his mid 20’s. Giannis and his brothers are more Greek than little Nicky by a wide margin. Everything he accomplished as a hired mercenary for a foreign national team should be met with a giant asterisk. Shame on the Greek federation.


He is still a Greek national. Being born overseas doesn't change that. He simply has dual citizenship (as I do). The US doesn't distinguish nationality, as you're simply considered a citizen if you're born here. The actual American nationals are the indigenous population of the Western hemisphere.


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Post#925 » by lambchop » Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:19 am

cloudXXI wrote:You guys can complain all day long. The real thing is that Spain is, by far, the best nation in Europe making basketball players.

This summer, Spain:

Euro MEN -> gold
Euro Under20 MEN -> gold
Euro Under20 WOMEN -> gold
Euro U18 M -> gold
Euro U18 W -> silver
World Cup U17 M -> silver
WC U17 W-> silver
Euro U16 M -> silver
Euro U16 W -> silver

9 competitions, 9 finals

We have won 6 major competitions this century.

And there is also Sabonis, Doncic, Porzingis and lots of foreign players that arrived to Spain at a young age.

In FIBA U20 European Championship, Spain has won 16 medals. The second ones are France and Lithuania with 7 medals.

So, I´m sorry what Spain is doing better than anyone else in Europe.


Yea truly impressive summer for Spanish basketball. I wonder how long it will take for Spain to produce another Spanish top end talent player or NBA starter. Rubio was the last one and probably would have been better had it not been for injuries.
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Post#926 » by Hellcrooner » Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:14 am

lambchop wrote:
cloudXXI wrote:You guys can complain all day long. The real thing is that Spain is, by far, the best nation in Europe making basketball players.

This summer, Spain:

Euro MEN -> gold
Euro Under20 MEN -> gold
Euro Under20 WOMEN -> gold
Euro U18 M -> gold
Euro U18 W -> silver
World Cup U17 M -> silver
WC U17 W-> silver
Euro U16 M -> silver
Euro U16 W -> silver

9 competitions, 9 finals

We have won 6 major competitions this century.

And there is also Sabonis, Doncic, Porzingis and lots of foreign players that arrived to Spain at a young age.

In FIBA U20 European Championship, Spain has won 16 medals. The second ones are France and Lithuania with 7 medals.

So, I´m sorry what Spain is doing better than anyone else in Europe.


Yea truly impressive summer for Spanish basketball. I wonder how long it will take for Spain to produce another Spanish top end talent player or NBA starter. Rubio was the last one and probably would have been better had it not been for injuries.
Santi Aldama if stupid grizzlies start playing him or TRADE him somwhere where they pkay him. Bo cruz deserves better roles that he has had and si does his bro.
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Post#927 » by AussieBuck » Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:43 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:
CharityStripe34 wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:
Born and raised in New Jersey. Product of the American basketball system. Didn’t move to Greece till his mid 20’s. Giannis and his brothers are more Greek than little Nicky by a wide margin. Everything he accomplished as a hired mercenary for a foreign national team should be met with a giant asterisk. Shame on the Greek federation.


He is still a Greek national. Being born overseas doesn't change that. He simply has dual citizenship (as I do). The US doesn't distinguish nationality, as you're simply considered a citizen if you're born here. The actual American nationals are the indigenous population of the Western hemisphere.


Just havin some fun with our little troll friend.

Probably not the right angle, reckon he thinks his guy is better than Galis too. :lol:
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Post#928 » by lambchop » Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:33 am

Hellcrooner wrote:
lambchop wrote:
cloudXXI wrote:You guys can complain all day long. The real thing is that Spain is, by far, the best nation in Europe making basketball players.

This summer, Spain:

Euro MEN -> gold
Euro Under20 MEN -> gold
Euro Under20 WOMEN -> gold
Euro U18 M -> gold
Euro U18 W -> silver
World Cup U17 M -> silver
WC U17 W-> silver
Euro U16 M -> silver
Euro U16 W -> silver

9 competitions, 9 finals

We have won 6 major competitions this century.

And there is also Sabonis, Doncic, Porzingis and lots of foreign players that arrived to Spain at a young age.

In FIBA U20 European Championship, Spain has won 16 medals. The second ones are France and Lithuania with 7 medals.

So, I´m sorry what Spain is doing better than anyone else in Europe.


Yea truly impressive summer for Spanish basketball. I wonder how long it will take for Spain to produce another Spanish top end talent player or NBA starter. Rubio was the last one and probably would have been better had it not been for injuries.
Santi Aldama if stupid grizzlies start playing him or TRADE him somwhere where they pkay him. Bo cruz deserves better roles that he has had and si does his bro.


Both Hernangomezs have played on multiple teams. I feel as though Juancho is definitely worthy of more minutes than he has been getting so far, but now he's on the raptors who have Barnes, Young, Porter, Anunoby and Siakam playing his positions. But as long as he can show that he's as good on defense as those other players, I'm sure he can get minutes.

And, yea, would be great to see Aldama on a team like the Rockets or Jazz so that he can get playing time. Seeing as though Adams was kind of unplayable in the POs, maybe the Grizz will include Aldama in the rotation more so that they have another playoff big.
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Post#929 » by Pachinko_ » Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:46 am

Bo Cruz is just entering his prime I think a smart team will benefit from it. Still dirt cheap.

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Post#930 » by BadWolf » Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:16 am

There's an article today in Bosnian media that Slovenian partied till 5 am before Poland.
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Post#931 » by Pachinko_ » Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:41 am

BadWolf wrote:There's an article today in Bosnian media that Slovenian partied till 5 am before Poland.
I mean, that's why they're joining those tournaments, to play for their country but also enjoy time with friends and old teammates, it's not like they're getting paid anything significant. It's hard to blame them for partying on what is (essentially) their annual leave from their actual paid job, especially when after this some of them are going back to NBA's frequent flyer schedule.
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Post#932 » by lambchop » Tue Sep 20, 2022 1:13 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:
BadWolf wrote:There's an article today in Bosnian media that Slovenian partied till 5 am before Poland.
I mean, that's why they're joining those tournaments, to play for their country but also enjoy time with friends and old teammates, it's not like they're getting paid anything significant. It's hard to blame them for partying on what is (essentially) their annual leave from their actual paid job, especially when after this some of them are going back to NBA's frequent flyer schedule.


The NBA regular season offers enough opportunities to party. But I still totally agree with the notion that players want to enjoy those moments both on and off the court.
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Post#933 » by lambchop » Tue Sep 20, 2022 1:18 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:Bo Cruz is just entering his prime I think a smart team will benefit from it. Still dirt cheap.

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Yea seems like a low risk move for any team. Don't know what it would take to get him though. Is he worth a 2nd round pick? Or would a straight swap be more reasonable?
I could see teams waiting for his contract to expire and then signing him for cheap next summer. If he can somehow shoot 38% from deep consistently, imo he could find his way onto a contending team / playoff team. I don't think other teams will be interested at this point
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Post#934 » by Mirotic12 » Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:57 pm

11 European and World championships & European and World medals won / 11 MVPs

11 + 11 = 22 European/World titles and MVPs

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is greater than >

5 European and World championships & European and World medals won / 11 MVPs

5 + 11 = 16 European/World titles and MVPs

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22 > 16
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Post#936 » by edededtut » Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:49 pm

lambchop wrote:
Pachinko_ wrote:
BadWolf wrote:There's an article today in Bosnian media that Slovenian partied till 5 am before Poland.
I mean, that's why they're joining those tournaments, to play for their country but also enjoy time with friends and old teammates, it's not like they're getting paid anything significant. It's hard to blame them for partying on what is (essentially) their annual leave from their actual paid job, especially when after this some of them are going back to NBA's frequent flyer schedule.


The NBA regular season offers enough opportunities to party. But I still totally agree with the notion that players want to enjoy those moments both on and off the court.


They beat Belgium on Saturday and had Sunday, Monday and Tuesday off. Plenty of time to party, no? Must have been a can’t miss party at Berghain on Tuesday night?
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Post#937 » by Dirk » Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:54 pm

Real Madrid lost 31 Million in 2021/2022.

https://www.marca.com/baloncesto/acb/2022/09/20/63298bec46163fb0898b4582.html

In November, I saw this other number

Read on Twitter


It's quite surreal that Real and Barcelona put up with a 20/30 million deficit a year. I have no clue what happens with teams from Russia, Turkey, Greece, etc... but surely... they operate at a big loss.

It would be unfair to 'blame' the brand of basketball for the lack of interest, football/soccer is king almost everywhere... and it's hard to gain market share, but definitely points out to the fact that the audience in Europe isn't big enough.

These are the two thinks that irk me: random Americans playing for teams and non existent business model (sugar daddy owners and soccer money funding the basketball teams). Difficult to take FIBA/Euroleague seriously.
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Post#938 » by Gothic » Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:34 pm

This is nothing new. Sports in Europe is football and everything else is an afterthought.

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Post#939 » by dc » Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:56 pm

Gothic wrote:This is nothing new. Sports in Europe is football and everything else is an afterthought.


Exactly. Football (soccer) in Europe is king and everything else may as well be bowling in comparison.

That's why I get annoyed when people say the NBA and other American leagues should have some relegation system with 2nd/3rd divisions. That only works when it's a 1 sport continent like it is with football/soccer in Europe. People will be willing to watch the lower division stuff and relegation battles when they only care about 1 sport.

Too many other things that have the attention of people in the US for them to care about a 2nd division or a relegation battle.
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Post#940 » by lambchop » Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:06 pm

el_Diablo wrote:
lambchop wrote:
Pachinko_ wrote:I mean, that's why they're joining those tournaments, to play for their country but also enjoy time with friends and old teammates, it's not like they're getting paid anything significant. It's hard to blame them for partying on what is (essentially) their annual leave from their actual paid job, especially when after this some of them are going back to NBA's frequent flyer schedule.


The NBA regular season offers enough opportunities to party. But I still totally agree with the notion that players want to enjoy those moments both on and off the court.


They beat Belgium on Saturday and had Sunday, Monday and Tuesday off. Plenty of time to party, no? Must have been a can’t miss party at Berghain on Tuesday night?


Unlikely because if you leave Berghain at 5, that means you basically only partied for 1,5 hours cause that place is useless before 3 a.m.
I think it's more likely that they went to another club with commercial music.
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