Woj/Shams: Ime Udoka Suspended for 2022-23 Season - Inappropriate Relationship, Conduct Violations

[Joshyjess]

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[JimmyPlopper]

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[3toheadmelo]

has there been any info yet on what barnes was talking about or is it all still just speculation

[FlatearthZorro]

has there been any info yet on what barnes was talking about or is it all still just speculation

Unless Woj or Shams or any of the major agencies leak it, I doubt everything will come out, cause I believe it will greater damage Udoka's image.

[Pointgod]

This is a man who had a friend sleep with his wife. I don’t go by opinions. I go by reality and facts. She should be punished if she’s a staff member and on team payroll. No way around it.

You all want to shame people into agreeing with emotional rants. That is why this country is going to hell. Far too many emotional non-reality posts and no true accountability.

Again, If she’s a STAFF member. She needs to be disciplined as well.

There were obviously more violations that led to the suspension than the relationship with the staffer and there was an investigation so it could be possible that she didn’t break any team rules. But just stop and think for a second how the headlines will play out if the team disciplined the staffer:

“Celtics fire staffer who was a victim of sexual harassment and unwanted advances.”
“I was disciplined by the Celtics to silence me.”
“Celtics try to coerce sexual harassment victim to protect powerful man.”

What you’re advocating for is a horribly bad idea until all the facts come out about what the investigation actually unearthed. If the staffer violated team policy they can discipline her after the Udoka situation is settled. This rush to see a woman punished is just deeply weird.

This rush to avoid equal punishment because she’s a woman is EXTREMELY weird. Gender doesn’t matter in this country today. Her gender is irrelevant to violating rules as an employee even if it wasn’t badly compared to his own.

You literally walked in to a trap to prove my point of what’s going on here. Thank you for doing it.

You’re literally rushing to judgement without even knowing if she violated any policies. I like how you completely don’t bother responding to anything I’ve written just to beat the drum of “women need to be punished”. I didn’t walk into any trap because this woman is most likely a VICTIM of something serious. It would be the same if it was a man. You’re literally making up your own narrative that’s not based on any of the information that’s publicly available because you have your own axe to grind.

[kuclas]

I really do not understand the full reason for the season long suspension with consensual relationship. Only other way is to speculate maybe he was hitting one multiple female staff. And one female staff ratted him out.

[bebopdeluxe]

This is a man who had a friend sleep with his wife. I don’t go by opinions. I go by reality and facts. She should be punished if she’s a staff member and on team payroll. No way around it.

You all want to shame people into agreeing with emotional rants. That is why this country is going to hell. Far too many emotional non-reality posts and no true accountability.

Again, If she’s a STAFF member. She needs to be disciplined as well.

You do realize that IF she was disciplined they wouldn't announce it to the public since she's not a public figure like Udoka, right?
So I don't really understand getting worked up about it when we don't even know if she (or they) were on staff or if they have been disciplined.

Also unless you've seen the company handbook, it may not be a violation to sleep with a superior but may be a violation to sleep w a subordinate.
Further, as others have pointed out the discipline may stem primarily or even exclusively from harassment that took place after a consensual relationship had ended.
You really do seem strangely fixated on the idea that both parties were equally at fault and the woman needs to be punished, but the few facts we have at hand don't really support that at all.

The woman desperately needs to both be known publicly and punished, for reasons.

Why? So a bunch of low-lifes who have nothing better to do with their lives make their lives a living hell?

I think it is time for the mods to close this thread.

[SNPA]

You do realize that IF she was disciplined they wouldn't announce it to the public since she's not a public figure like Udoka, right?
So I don't really understand getting worked up about it when we don't even know if she (or they) were on staff or if they have been disciplined.

Also unless you've seen the company handbook, it may not be a violation to sleep with a superior but may be a violation to sleep w a subordinate.
Further, as others have pointed out the discipline may stem primarily or even exclusively from harassment that took place after a consensual relationship had ended.
You really do seem strangely fixated on the idea that both parties were equally at fault and the woman needs to be punished, but the few facts we have at hand don't really support that at all.

The woman desperately needs to both be known publicly and punished, for reasons.

I heard the woman/women/potentially man we still don't know that for sure that Ime was having relations with likes pineapple on pizza.

Now who is the one that deserves punishment?

As if the whole situation wasn’t divisive and ugly enough you have to go bringing pineapple on pizza into it (which is delicious and the center of the Venn diagram of office place harassers and those not liking it is almost certainly very high).

[bebopdeluxe]

Nice job taking accountability off of the female staffer for opening her legs and phone number to him personally as well. Anything non consensual is rape. We know that didn’t happen.

This is why this country is going to hell. You can’t act like he is the only one in selfishness when an EMPLOYEE cutting a check from the same owner is also not held accountable because she’s a woman. This is why women around male locker rooms was always considered a bad idea.

How can you listen to the video from Matt Barnes - someone who knows FROM PERSONAL CONTACTS way more that YOU about what happened - and still have this take? Huh?

Posts like THIS are why this country is going to hell, IMO.

This is a man who had a friend sleep with his wife. I don’t go by opinions. I go by reality and facts. She should be punished if she’s a staff member and on team payroll. No way around it.

You all want to shame people into agreeing with emotional rants. That is why this country is going to hell. Far too many emotional non-reality posts and no true accountability.

Again, If she’s a STAFF member. She needs to be disciplined as well.

You have ZERO idea what you are talking about. NONE of us do.

If Ukoka is willingly agreeing to be suspended for a full season, this is WAY beyond a consensual relationship. There are lawyers. There was a TWO MONTH investigation. The Celtics are a multi-billion dollar franchise. Do you HONESTLY think that the only thing here was Udoka has consensual sex with someone? Huh?

The reality is a lot closer to what Barnes is suggesting - that there is a TON more than just two consenting adults having sex - and the fact that Udoka is willingly accepting this suspension suggests to me that this is the best way to keep the names and facts out of the news (or a courtroom) and for Udoka to potentially find another job in the league when this settles down. Doesn't that make more sense?

Huh?

Between this thread and the Becky Hammon thread, the misogyny on this board is out of control. I fear for the world that my daughters are going to grow up in if the attitude of some of the misogynists in this thread is what they have to deal with.

[bebopdeluxe]

How can you listen to the video from Matt Barnes - someone who knows FROM PERSONAL CONTACTS way more that YOU about what happened - and still have this take? Huh?

Posts like THIS are why this country is going to hell, IMO.

This is a man who had a friend sleep with his wife. I don’t go by opinions. I go by reality and facts. She should be punished if she’s a staff member and on team payroll. No way around it.

You all want to shame people into agreeing with emotional rants. That is why this country is going to hell. Far too many emotional non-reality posts and no true accountability.

Again, If she’s a STAFF member. She needs to be disciplined as well.

There were obviously more violations that led to the suspension than the relationship with the staffer and there was an investigation so it could be possible that she didn’t break any team rules. But just stop and think for a second how the headlines will play out if the team disciplined the staffer:

“Celtics fire staffer who was a victim of sexual harassment and unwanted advances.”
“I was disciplined by the Celtics to silence me.”
“Celtics try to coerce sexual harassment victim to protect powerful man.”

What you’re advocating for is a horribly bad idea until all the facts come out about what the investigation actually unearthed. If the staffer violated team policy they can discipline her after the Udoka situation is settled. This rush to see a woman punished is just deeply weird.

It is not "deeply weird". It is MISOGYNY. Full stop.

[CobraCommander]

This is the oddest thread on RealGM in a while.

We only know one thing for certain - the Celtics have suspended Ime….

We don’t know anything else for sure.::

I’ll just make the thread weirder to prove a point -

“I heard Ime was dating a woman’s Husband and is actually gay”

That’s as plausible as everything else I have heard…

[ATLTimekeeper]

I really do not understand the full reason for the season long suspension with consensual relationship. Only other way is to speculate maybe he was hitting one multiple female staff. And one female staff ratted him out.

Maybe take the hint that most of us have that we don't have nearly enough information. No need to muster up excuses to trash women.

[Pointgod]

This is a man who had a friend sleep with his wife. I don’t go by opinions. I go by reality and facts. She should be punished if she’s a staff member and on team payroll. No way around it.

You all want to shame people into agreeing with emotional rants. That is why this country is going to hell. Far too many emotional non-reality posts and no true accountability.

Again, If she’s a STAFF member. She needs to be disciplined as well.

There were obviously more violations that led to the suspension than the relationship with the staffer and there was an investigation so it could be possible that she didn’t break any team rules. But just stop and think for a second how the headlines will play out if the team disciplined the staffer:

“Celtics fire staffer who was a victim of sexual harassment and unwanted advances.”
“I was disciplined by the Celtics to silence me.”
“Celtics try to coerce sexual harassment victim to protect powerful man.”

What you’re advocating for is a horribly bad idea until all the facts come out about what the investigation actually unearthed. If the staffer violated team policy they can discipline her after the Udoka situation is settled. This rush to see a woman punished is just deeply weird.

It is not "deeply weird". It is MISOGYNY. Full stop.

Welp I agree but I sometimes like to give people space to correct themselves because they might not have all the facts but it’s pretty obvious the guy has an axe to grind. And it’s been pretty bad to see the “punish the woman!” takes from people like Stephen A Smith and Kendrick Perkins. I wonder if they even know how deep the misogyny is. It’s like a man can’t be held accountable without them doing some type of whataboutism or false equivalences. I genuinely feel bad about some of the young daughters being raised by some men. But maybe they’ll come around if something like this happens to one of their daughters.

[Death Knight]

has there been any info yet on what barnes was talking about or is it all still just speculation

Unless Woj or Shams or any of the major agencies leak it, I doubt everything will come out, cause I believe it will greater damage Udoka's image.

If it's so bad, why wasn't he fired?

It's either very serious and he should be fired, or it's a minor issue you fine/suspend him. They suspended him................

[Dino-Might]

Never realized there were so many incel types on realgm.

[FlatearthZorro]

has there been any info yet on what barnes was talking about or is it all still just speculation

Unless Woj or Shams or any of the major agencies leak it, I doubt everything will come out, cause I believe it will greater damage Udoka's image.

If it's so bad, why wasn't he fired?

It's either very serious and he should be fired, or it's a minor issue you fine/suspend him. They suspended him................

He will be fired or he will resign. That's for sure. Do you want to bet on it now?
He's currently not fired due to legal obligations. I belive there are steps that need to be taken for him to be fired. Imo, he will resign.

[Truthrising]

I think Ime’s reputation is forever ruined as a NBA head coach. He’s 100 percent done. His only way back is if classless organizations like the Kings or the Nets will give him another shot.

[HotRocks34]

New info on TMZ

[BostonCouchGM]

How can you listen to the video from Matt Barnes - someone who knows FROM PERSONAL CONTACTS way more that YOU about what happened - and still have this take? Huh?

Posts like THIS are why this country is going to hell, IMO.

This is a man who had a friend sleep with his wife. I don’t go by opinions. I go by reality and facts. She should be punished if she’s a staff member and on team payroll. No way around it.

You all want to shame people into agreeing with emotional rants. That is why this country is going to hell. Far too many emotional non-reality posts and no true accountability.

Again, If she’s a STAFF member. She needs to be disciplined as well.

Discipling a subordinate who reports harassment isn’t the way to go. From a liability standpoint it’s a nightmare.

Here are the facts:

-Udoka slept with a subordinate.
-the subordinate reported Udoka for harassing her.
-punishing a subordinate for reporting sexual harassment opens you up to lawsuits, where even if you win you have to pay a lot of money for lawyers and it hurts the companies reputation.

It seems to me that you’re the one going with emotional reasons for why the subordinate should be punished, when the facts say she shouldn’t.

You don’t know these as FACTS. Just what is being speculated. The problem with forums is people are allowed to talk with such certainty without the facts and malign people who have differing views.

[Ayt]

Never realized there were so many incel types on realgm.

They are everywhere, unfortunately.