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Reeko wrote:Zeno wrote:bonjovi0308 wrote:Porter and Young already hurt...
How and in what way?
Thad's got a knee injury apparently. And Otto will be out for a little bit due to a hamstring issue.
WuTang_OG wrote:We need insurance on the wing with OG , Porter having some injury troubles in past although i dont think og is injury prone like porter. Thats why i think wilson isnt making it. Gotta be down to champagnie and jackson.
ATLTimekeeper wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:We need insurance on the wing with OG , Porter having some injury troubles in past although i dont think og is injury prone like porter. Thats why i think wilson isnt making it. Gotta be down to champagnie and jackson.
The whole team is wings. Birch is hurt, too. Our big depth is Precious/Koloko right now. Champagnie (because they believe in his potential) or Wilson (because he can play PnR and defend the 5).
DG88 wrote:Reeko wrote:Zeno wrote:How and in what way?
Thad's got a knee injury apparently. And Otto will be out for a little bit due to a hamstring issue.
Otto has been injury prone for majority of his career. Sucks it's a hamstring injury. Could be out for awhile.
Clay Davis wrote:COMPOSED ONLY OF THE COOLEST WOMEN AND THE HOTTEST GUYS, THE TORONTO RAPTORS REALGM BOARD HAS LONG BEEN KNOWN FOR ITS HIGH-QUALITY DISCUSSION, PASSIONATE LOYALTY, TEMPERATE CELEBRATIONS OF VICTORY, AND GRACE IN DEFEAT.
Champagnie has some credit in the bank as he established himself as a hard worker and positive presence while with Toronto on a two-way contract last season. He’s somewhat of a ‘tweener in that his skills and his strengths — he has a remarkable nose for the ball which shows up on the offensive glass, especially — are more suited for a power forward but his size — he’s just six-foot-six — requires him to be able to space the floor and shoot. He’s made progress but was hampered this summer when he suffered a fractured thumb and had to miss some crucial development time.
Champagnie’s first few seconds on the floor were typical: he came out of nowhere to grab an offensive rebound to gain a possession, was first to a loose ball to keep it alive and then scored a three-point play. It’s the kind of opportunism that’s hard to teach. He did look good knocking down one triple but missed two more a little wildly.
Jackson is intriguing. His pedigree is high end. The six-foot-eight leaper was the No.1 recruit out of his high school class, was Big 12 player of the year in his one season at Kansas, was a Summer League all-star and made second-team all-rookie with the Suns, where he played for current Raptors assistant Earl Watson. He can score and has shown the ability to be disruptive defensively.
“I would say his strength lies at the defensive end,” said Nurse. “We feel like he’s one guy who has had some success and experience of full denying a player and playing with some speed and athleticism and some length, to be just one of those guys who is a nuisance on defence. That’s kind of his thing. That’s why we have him in and we’re looking at him.”
That Jackson is with his fifth organization is intriguing as well: he’s had a number of off-court disciplinary issues that stretch back to his lone season at Kansas.
At 25, the hope is that all of that is behind him and he can kind find a way to use his talent to earn a steady NBA job.
Wilson is another interesting prospect. He was taken 17th overall by Milwaukee in the 2017 draft and spent four years with the team before being traded to Houston for P.J. Tucker as the Bucks loaded up for their 2021 championship run. He’s the kind of long and agile defender the Raptors like but working against him is the fact the roster is swimming in players who mirror his skill set.
Neither Jackson, Champagnie or Wilson did much to advance or harm their cause on what was a fun night for the crowd but had meaning for those trying to carve out a spot on a roster that will be tough to crack.
They’ll get another chance on Sunday in Edmonton, and the coaching staff will be watching.
“We do a staff vote every single day,” said Nurse. “And that vote changes every single day. You can tell it’s competitive.”
WuTang_OG wrote:Champagnie has some credit in the bank as he established himself as a hard worker and positive presence while with Toronto on a two-way contract last season. He’s somewhat of a ‘tweener in that his skills and his strengths — he has a remarkable nose for the ball which shows up on the offensive glass, especially — are more suited for a power forward but his size — he’s just six-foot-six — requires him to be able to space the floor and shoot. He’s made progress but was hampered this summer when he suffered a fractured thumb and had to miss some crucial development time.
Champagnie’s first few seconds on the floor were typical: he came out of nowhere to grab an offensive rebound to gain a possession, was first to a loose ball to keep it alive and then scored a three-point play. It’s the kind of opportunism that’s hard to teach. He did look good knocking down one triple but missed two more a little wildly.
Jackson is intriguing. His pedigree is high end. The six-foot-eight leaper was the No.1 recruit out of his high school class, was Big 12 player of the year in his one season at Kansas, was a Summer League all-star and made second-team all-rookie with the Suns, where he played for current Raptors assistant Earl Watson. He can score and has shown the ability to be disruptive defensively.
“I would say his strength lies at the defensive end,” said Nurse. “We feel like he’s one guy who has had some success and experience of full denying a player and playing with some speed and athleticism and some length, to be just one of those guys who is a nuisance on defence. That’s kind of his thing. That’s why we have him in and we’re looking at him.”
That Jackson is with his fifth organization is intriguing as well: he’s had a number of off-court disciplinary issues that stretch back to his lone season at Kansas.
At 25, the hope is that all of that is behind him and he can kind find a way to use his talent to earn a steady NBA job.
Wilson is another interesting prospect. He was taken 17th overall by Milwaukee in the 2017 draft and spent four years with the team before being traded to Houston for P.J. Tucker as the Bucks loaded up for their 2021 championship run. He’s the kind of long and agile defender the Raptors like but working against him is the fact the roster is swimming in players who mirror his skill set.
Neither Jackson, Champagnie or Wilson did much to advance or harm their cause on what was a fun night for the crowd but had meaning for those trying to carve out a spot on a roster that will be tough to crack.
They’ll get another chance on Sunday in Edmonton, and the coaching staff will be watching.
“We do a staff vote every single day,” said Nurse. “And that vote changes every single day. You can tell it’s competitive.”
Dalek wrote:These kinds of observations are tough to prove without knowing for sure from the source like coaches for Toronto, but guys like Gabe Brown and Josh Jackson have something a bit off. It is not about talent, because they both look like NBA athletes and Brown can really shoot it.
I just wonder about their body language and work habits. They look the part of NBA rotation players, but something else has to be off because on paper you have:
JJ
Lotto pick who developed with the Suns
6'8 size
NBA athlete with moderate handle
decent block and steal percentage
Gabe Brown
38% from three in four years in college
6'7
NBA athlete
Normally the reason why guys go undrafted or sign camp deals is because they are borderline NBA players. These guys don't seem to give off the impression there is a talent or size/athleticism deficit. This brings me to coachability and effort. Toronto prides itself on high character athletes. I wonder if these are projects where we need to fix the motor. It is why I prefer Champagnie because he his a high effort, know your role type. Brown, is really intriguing to me, if he has fixed his own effort issues which dogged him in college.
