Official Scottie Barnes Thread 3

[canada_dry]

Funny.

But yea im expecting a jump year 3, and an improvement from beginning of season 2 scottie to end of season 2 scottie, a gradual thing like we saw his rookie year.

Year 3 or 4 is the real jump that people are expecting too soon. Patience is key. the same guys that are gonna turn on him when he isnt meeting thosevlofty expectations as quickly as they want are the same guys that wanted the whole offense ran through him last year

As i noted yesterday, he has to have that mentality. Hes too passive. I predict nurse is gonna have to beg him to be more agressive with his shot through the media again this year.

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[Badonkadonk]

As i noted yesterday, he has to have that mentality. Hes too passive. I predict nurse is gonna have to beg him to be more agressive with his shot through the media again this year. [/url]

He was already pleading with him last year. I still remember this clip of Nurse yelling "to the rim" during the game.

Watch on YouTube

[canada_dry]

As i noted yesterday, he has to have that mentality. Hes too passive. I predict nurse is gonna have to beg him to be more agressive with his shot through the media again this year. [/url]

He was already pleading with him last year. I still remember this clip of Nurse yelling "to the rim" during the game.

Watch on YouTube

Exactly. And the post game quotes too. Literally pleading.

Hence i said i see him having to do it this year "again"

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[720]

Gonna copy and paste this from the game thread.

Scottie isn't a Tracy McGrady or a Durant shot creator type yet (Might never be). He's a Magic Johnson, Giannis, Ben Simmons type. For him to succeed he needs shooters and off ball movers on the court with him.

The problem is when those guys are out there with him (Gary and Fred) they think they're prime Allen Iverson and are ball stoppers.

Instead, Nurse expects Scottie to work his magic with a bunch of non shooters and floor shrinkers (Boucher, Thad, Precious lineup).

[anotherhomer]

Gonna copy and paste this from the game thread.

Scottie isn't a Tracy McGrady or a Durant shot creator type yet (Might never be). He's a Magic Johnson, Giannis, Ben Simmons type. For him to succeed he needs shooters and off ball movers on the court with him.

The problem is when those guys are out there with him (Gary and Fred) they think they're prime Allen Iverson and are ball stoppers.

Instead, Nurse expects Scottie to work his magic with a bunch of non shooters and floor shrinkers (Boucher, Thad, Precious lineup).

Scottie isn't at giannis lvl to alter an entire team around him

[720]

Gonna copy and paste this from the game thread.

Scottie isn't a Tracy McGrady or a Durant shot creator type yet (Might never be). He's a Magic Johnson, Giannis, Ben Simmons type. For him to succeed he needs shooters and off ball movers on the court with him.

The problem is when those guys are out there with him (Gary and Fred) they think they're prime Allen Iverson and are ball stoppers.

Instead, Nurse expects Scottie to work his magic with a bunch of non shooters and floor shrinkers (Boucher, Thad, Precious lineup).

Scottie isn't at giannis lvl to alter an entire team around him

Who is? Siakam? Fred? If not then why not alter lineups around the rookie of the year that is our only shot at legitimate contending in this league?

Also, I'm saying he's Giannis in that he flourishes in space, he's a great passer, he has size and strength to his advantage as well.

[Los_29]

Gonna copy and paste this from the game thread.

Scottie isn't a Tracy McGrady or a Durant shot creator type yet (Might never be). He's a Magic Johnson, Giannis, Ben Simmons type. For him to succeed he needs shooters and off ball movers on the court with him.

The problem is when those guys are out there with him (Gary and Fred) they think they're prime Allen Iverson and are ball stoppers.

Instead, Nurse expects Scottie to work his magic with a bunch of non shooters and floor shrinkers (Boucher, Thad, Precious lineup).

Scottie isn't at giannis lvl to alter an entire team around him

Who is? Siakam? Fred? If not then why not alter lineups around the rookie of the year that is our only shot at legitimate contending in this league?

Also, I'm saying he's Giannis in that he flourishes in space, he's a great passer.

Then he should thrive on this team with shooters like Fred, OG and Trent Jr.

[WaltFrazier]

Scottie was passive on offense tonight, and a step slow on D. Disappointing effort.

[raptor jesus]

Scottie wasn't even the number 1 option on his high school team. He's pretty much hardwired as a complimentary guy. If he ever ascends to a number 1 scoring option in the NBA, it's not gonna be anytime soon. I don't mean this as a criticism of Scottie as much as I just think a lot of fans have unrealistic expectations.

[Los_29]

Scottie wasn't even the number 1 option on his high school team. He's pretty much hardwired as a complimentary guy. If he ever ascends to a number 1 scoring option in the NBA, it's not gonna be anytime soon. I don't mean this as a criticism of Scottie as much as I just think a lot of fans have unrealistic expectations.

Yep, it’s really all up to Scottie. Giannis and many other superstars weren’t given anything. They had to earn it.

Scottie doesn’t have to be a #1 option here. If he can develop into a highly capable #2 we are going to be one heck of a team.

[blastttOFF]

Scottie has been so mid this preseason

Not a good look so far

[HumbleRen]

Scottie wasn't even the number 1 option on his high school team. He's pretty much hardwired as a complimentary guy. If he ever ascends to a number 1 scoring option in the NBA, it's not gonna be anytime soon. I don't mean this as a criticism of Scottie as much as I just think a lot of fans have unrealistic expectations.

Yep, it’s really all up to Scottie. Giannis and many other superstars weren’t given anything. They had to earn it.

Scottie doesn’t have to be a #1 option here. If he can develop into a highly capable #2 we are going to be one heck of a team.

If his ceiling is a high capable #2, our team is a perennial 1st to 2nd round exit team.

[HumbleRen]

Scottie wasn't even the number 1 option on his high school team. He's pretty much hardwired as a complimentary guy. If he ever ascends to a number 1 scoring option in the NBA, it's not gonna be anytime soon. I don't mean this as a criticism of Scottie as much as I just think a lot of fans have unrealistic expectations.

Yep, he has a lot of tantalizing skills. I think he can become an all nba caliber player.

I just don’t see him being the best player on a contender.

He’s extremely raw, I know people point to Kawhi’s development but he’s an outlier, not the norm.

[Los_29]

Scottie wasn't even the number 1 option on his high school team. He's pretty much hardwired as a complimentary guy. If he ever ascends to a number 1 scoring option in the NBA, it's not gonna be anytime soon. I don't mean this as a criticism of Scottie as much as I just think a lot of fans have unrealistic expectations.

Yep, it’s really all up to Scottie. Giannis and many other superstars weren’t given anything. They had to earn it.

Scottie doesn’t have to be a #1 option here. If he can develop into a highly capable #2 we are going to be one heck of a team.

If his ceiling is a high capable #2, our team is a perennial 1st to 2nd round exit team.

Weren’t we in the first round last year?

And as far as I know we are allowed to make changes to our roster.

[ConSarnit]

Funny.

But yea im expecting a jump year 3, and an improvement from beginning of season 2 scottie to end of season 2 scottie, a gradual thing like we saw his rookie year.

Year 3 or 4 is the real jump that people are expecting too soon. Patience is key. the same guys that are gonna turn on him when he isnt meeting thosevlofty expectations as quickly as they want are the same guys that wanted the whole offense ran through him last year

As i noted yesterday, he has to have that mentality. Hes too passive. I predict nurse is gonna have to beg him to be more agressive with his shot through the media again this year.

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I agree. The skills that he requires to be a number 1 guy are skills that will take more than 1 off-season to fully develop. For him to be the player we want him to be he’ll need to tighten up his handle and improve his shooting. Unfortunately that could take a couple of years.

Sadly I expect some misplaced frustration from the peanut gallery here as he might not make a huge jump in year 2. Doesn’t mean he can’t get there.

[ConSarnit]

Yep, it’s really all up to Scottie. Giannis and many other superstars weren’t given anything. They had to earn it.

Scottie doesn’t have to be a #1 option here. If he can develop into a highly capable #2 we are going to be one heck of a team.

If his ceiling is a high capable #2, our team is a perennial 1st to 2nd round exit team.

Weren’t we in the first round last year?

And as far as I know we are allowed to make changes to our roster.

Yeah but the change to make us a contender (if Scottie is a #2) is the hardest thing to acquire in all of basketball (a true #1).

[DG88]

Lol it's preseason, but I knew this would happen as we're so fickle.

[Los_29]

If his ceiling is a high capable #2, our team is a perennial 1st to 2nd round exit team.

Weren’t we in the first round last year?

And as far as I know we are allowed to make changes to our roster.

Yeah but the change to make us a contender (if Scottie is a #2) is the hardest thing to acquire in all of basketball (a true #1).

Not recently. They’ve been available every year. And we have all of our picks. Scottie was our 4th best player last year and missed three games and we didn’t have Fred as well. And we still took the Sixers to 6 games. Scottie as a highly capable 2nd option makes this a pretty scary team. Look who Miami was rolling out there last year and they took Boston to 7 games.

With that said, I think we need to exercise a little more patience here and not overreact to one game. Scottie has the talent to be an elite player in this league but he clearly needs to be more aggressive.

[Reeko]

Come tell me about how Scottie's not going to be a #1 when he's playing in his 4th or 5th season and averaging 19 ppg and shooting 33% from 3. The kid is 21 years old. Here's the list of guys drafted in the last 20 years who were clear cut superstar number 1 options by the age of 21: LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Luka Doncic, that's it. If you wanna debate about a couple of other guys, whatever, the point is that almost nobody including most of the best players in the league (Jokic, Giannis, Kawhi, Steph, Harden) were bonafide #1 options at 21.

This isn't directed at any poster here, but people need to stop with the Kawhi comparisons, it's annoying as hell. I had to listen to Amit Mann talk about and get excited over how Scottie scratched his own chin the same way Kawhi did. This obsession that some people still have with Kawhi is weird, he played here for a year and we won, get over it and stop trying to find the next Kawhi.

I don't want an inferior imitation of Kawhi, I want a dope original version of Scottie Barnes, whatever that might end up looking like. I think Scottie can be a #1 option in his own way, but I don't expect him to be that cyborg we call Kawhi Leonard.

[DG88]

Come tell me about how Scottie's not going to be a #1 when he's playing in his 4th or 5th season and averaging 19 ppg and shooting 33% from 3. The kid is 21 years old. Here's the list of guys drafted in the last 20 years who were clear cut superstar number 1 options by the age of 21: LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Luka Doncic, that's it. If you wanna debate about a couple of other guys, whatever, the point is that almost nobody including most of the best players in the league (Jokic, Giannis, Kawhi, Steph, Harden) were bonafide #1 options at 21.

This isn't directed at any poster here, but people need to stop with the Kawhi comparisons, it's annoying as hell. I had to listen to Amit Mann talk about and get excited over how Scottie scratched his own chin the same way Kawhi did. This obsession that some people still have with Kawhi is weird, he played here for a year and we won, get over it and stop trying to find the next Kawhi.

I don't want an inferior imitation of Kawhi, I want a dope original version of Scottie Barnes, whatever that might end up looking like. I think Scottie can be a #1 option in his own way, but I don't expect him to be that cyborg we call Kawhi Leonard.

Amen brother feel the same way, let Scottie grow into his own player. He doesn't need to be a Kawhi clone nor is he one. Just enjoy the up and the downs of his development. He's not going to be Kawhi in year 2, even Kawhi wasn't Kawhi that we know in year 2. He was still the 4th option on his team playing the Bruce Bowen role. Just give the kid time he's not even close to his prime.