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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#21 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Oct 6, 2022 12:42 am

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MickeyDavis wrote:They have a rematch tomorrow afternoon on ESPN2 at 2:00 CDT. Not long after the Bucks game.


Is there a good link to last nights game? Didn’t see it, but listening to the pods and KOC just said he thinks Victor is as good a prospect at LBJ was.


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MickeyDavis wrote:They have a rematch tomorrow afternoon on ESPN2 at 2:00 CDT. Not long after the Bucks game.


Is there a good link to last nights game? Didn’t see it, but listening to the pods and KOC just said he thinks Victor is as good a prospect at LBJ was.


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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#23 » by paulpressey25 » Thu Oct 6, 2022 4:29 am

Watching this replay. Scoot appears to be a cross between Eric Bledsoe and prime Derek Rose. And I think he’ll be better than both.
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Post#24 » by LuessiT » Thu Oct 6, 2022 6:54 am

Keep in mind that both have another year to work on their craft before they step on an NBA court. Especially Scoot is going to be so polished. Such a high floor prospect.
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Post#25 » by RubberSoul » Thu Oct 6, 2022 11:56 am

Watching these two makes me nostalgic for the simpler days of tanking. Growing up a Bucks fan pretty much all that mattered was the upcoming lottery and draft.


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Post#26 » by chonestown » Thu Oct 6, 2022 2:34 pm

Take Gobert out of the conversation and the health history of top-level players in the neighborhood of Vic's height is grim. In no way should that push him out of the top spot, but I'd sure as hell be prepared to have a contingency plan in effect if his knees/feet/back explode.
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Post#27 » by MikeIsGood » Thu Oct 6, 2022 2:55 pm

chonestown wrote:Take Gobert out of the conversation and the health history of top-level players in the neighborhood of Vic's height is grim. In no way should that push him out of the top spot, but I'd sure as hell be prepared to have a contingency plan in effect if his knees/feet/back explode.


I hope for his sake he really is "just" 7'3 and doesn't grow anymore. A few months ago people were talking about him getting to 7'6, which could be bad. You have like Yao, Rik Smits...and that's the list of successful players.

You're right, you obviously take him #1 still. I'm just unfortunately skeptical it's going to work out as magically as everyone seems to be talking about it.
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Post#28 » by LuessiT » Thu Oct 6, 2022 3:02 pm

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chonestown wrote:Take Gobert out of the conversation and the health history of top-level players in the neighborhood of Vic's height is grim. In no way should that push him out of the top spot, but I'd sure as hell be prepared to have a contingency plan in effect if his knees/feet/back explode.


I hope for his sake he really is "just" 7'3 and doesn't grow anymore. A few months ago people were talking about him getting to 7'6, which could be bad. You have like Yao, Rik Smits...and that's the list of successful players.

You're right, you obviously take him #1 still. I'm just unfortunately skeptical it's going to work out as magically as everyone seems to be talking about it.


He's already quite noticeably over 7'4. Latest measurements were 7'4 without shoes.
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Post#29 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Oct 6, 2022 3:06 pm

RubberSoul wrote:Watching these two makes me nostalgic for the simpler days of tanking. Growing up a Bucks fan pretty much all that mattered was the upcoming lottery and draft.


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Honestly the spring of the Oden/Durant draft was a lot of fun and torture.
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Post#30 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Oct 6, 2022 3:10 pm

You still draft him #1 overall but I'm not putting Wemby up there in the Zion/Lebron/AD/Kareem/Hakeem/Shaq tier of generational prospects. But maybe that's just because I factor in body-type/physical build more than other people. There's no way anyone can convince me they aren't terrified of the foot injury or knee-snapping potential with him.
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Post#31 » by chonestown » Thu Oct 6, 2022 3:31 pm

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chonestown wrote:Take Gobert out of the conversation and the health history of top-level players in the neighborhood of Vic's height is grim. In no way should that push him out of the top spot, but I'd sure as hell be prepared to have a contingency plan in effect if his knees/feet/back explode.


I hope for his sake he really is "just" 7'3 and doesn't grow anymore. A few months ago people were talking about him getting to 7'6, which could be bad. You have like Yao, Rik Smits...and that's the list of successful players.

You're right, you obviously take him #1 still. I'm just unfortunately skeptical it's going to work out as magically as everyone seems to be talking about it.


Oh wow, Rik Smits is a really good call. He was made for today's game.
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Post#32 » by Licensed to Il » Thu Oct 6, 2022 3:46 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:You still draft him #1 overall but I'm not putting Wemby up there in the Zion/Lebron/AD/Kareem/Hakeem/Shaq tier of generational prospects. But maybe that's just because I factor in body-type/physical build more than other people. There's no way anyone can convince me they aren't terrified of the foot injury or knee-snapping potential with him.


I think that is fair to say. But you are overlooking the career killing implications of passing on him is he does stay healthy. Lets say you are the GM picking first, and you pass on Victor W out of health concerns, and he goes on to stay healthy and play at a high level for his first 3-4 years. You aren't going to keep your job. He could go full Greg Oden in year 6, sort of justify your thinking, but you're already running a Gleague team because you're the guy that passed on a 25 point, 3 blocks, 10 rebound, 4 assist, 40% 3pt a night guy.

I think that's the fear. Contrast that with taking him, getting a great season or two, his foot goes Yao Ming on you, and you're like "well no one could have predicted that" and I'm not sure you lose your job.
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We may see some absolutely epic tank jobs this year, especially with the relatively flatter odds at the top vs past years.
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Post#34 » by MickeyDavis » Thu Oct 6, 2022 7:50 pm

I'm watching a bit delayed but Wembanyama doing ok. He definitely has some moves. Against the G-League anyway. If his body holds up he has a high, high ceiling to be sure.
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Post#35 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Thu Oct 6, 2022 8:34 pm

MikeIsGood wrote:
chonestown wrote:Take Gobert out of the conversation and the health history of top-level players in the neighborhood of Vic's height is grim. In no way should that push him out of the top spot, but I'd sure as hell be prepared to have a contingency plan in effect if his knees/feet/back explode.


I hope for his sake he really is "just" 7'3 and doesn't grow anymore. A few months ago people were talking about him getting to 7'6, which could be bad. You have like Yao, Rik Smits...and that's the list of successful players.

You're right, you obviously take him #1 still. I'm just unfortunately skeptical it's going to work out as magically as everyone seems to be talking about it.

To be fair, there just aren't that many tall people to begin with. That's like saying "The list of successfull Nigerian descent players from Athens born in 1994 named Giannis in the NBA is ......Giannis...That's it." lol

There are like 3k human beings that are 7 feet tall? How man are over 7'4"? (Throwing out numbers now......)200? How many had red-line health issues/or just not athletic? 50? It just isnt a big pool. Like obviously there are concerns but he seems closer to Giannis that he did to Yao or Boban.
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Post#37 » by LuessiT » Thu Oct 6, 2022 8:55 pm

The transition fadeaway 3 is incredible.
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Post#38 » by MikeIsGood » Thu Oct 6, 2022 8:59 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
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chonestown wrote:Take Gobert out of the conversation and the health history of top-level players in the neighborhood of Vic's height is grim. In no way should that push him out of the top spot, but I'd sure as hell be prepared to have a contingency plan in effect if his knees/feet/back explode.


I hope for his sake he really is "just" 7'3 and doesn't grow anymore. A few months ago people were talking about him getting to 7'6, which could be bad. You have like Yao, Rik Smits...and that's the list of successful players.

You're right, you obviously take him #1 still. I'm just unfortunately skeptical it's going to work out as magically as everyone seems to be talking about it.

To be fair, there just aren't that many tall people to begin with. That's like saying "The list of successfull Nigerian descent players from Athens born in 1994 named Giannis in the NBA is ......Giannis...That's it." lol

There are like 3k human beings that are 7 feet tall? How man are over 7'4"? (Throwing out numbers now......)200? How many had red-line health issues/or just not athletic? 50? It just isnt a big pool. Like obviously there are concerns but he seems closer to Giannis that he did to Yao or Boban.


This is absolutely fair; however, we also know from more than these two past players that taller players have more injuries. There's a number of articles and data on this.

An interesting factor is that Wembanyama is like 200 pounds. While it's often been used as a knock against him - and maybe it is! - I also wonder if being slimmer could be better for his health and longevity when it comes to the foot and knee problems that seem to be more prevalent in super tall people. Less weight, less added stress on those joints?
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#39 » by chonestown » Thu Oct 6, 2022 8:59 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
MikeIsGood wrote:
chonestown wrote:Take Gobert out of the conversation and the health history of top-level players in the neighborhood of Vic's height is grim. In no way should that push him out of the top spot, but I'd sure as hell be prepared to have a contingency plan in effect if his knees/feet/back explode.


I hope for his sake he really is "just" 7'3 and doesn't grow anymore. A few months ago people were talking about him getting to 7'6, which could be bad. You have like Yao, Rik Smits...and that's the list of successful players.

You're right, you obviously take him #1 still. I'm just unfortunately skeptical it's going to work out as magically as everyone seems to be talking about it.

To be fair, there just aren't that many tall people to begin with. That's like saying "The list of successfull Nigerian descent players from Athens born in 1994 named Giannis in the NBA is ......Giannis...That's it." lol

There are like 3k human beings that are 7 feet tall? How man are over 7'4"? (Throwing out numbers now......)200? How many had red-line health issues/or just not athletic? 50? It just isnt a big pool. Like obviously there are concerns but he seems closer to Giannis that he did to Yao or Boban.


Of course it's a small pool and it's even smaller when you further filter it to willowy 7'2" + guys that aren't plodders. After Gobert, the first person I think of when I see Vic is Ralph Sampson. The second is Porzingis.
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Post#40 » by LuessiT » Thu Oct 6, 2022 9:01 pm

MikeIsGood wrote:An interesting factor is that Wembanyama is like 200 pounds.


He's not. Last numbers I know are ~260. He's not Chet. He's been adding muscle every year. He's got a great frame to tack on lots of muscle. He'll fill out just fine.

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