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Re: Mavericks Considering Adding Veteran Ballhandler To Roster 

Post#181 » by ejs78 » Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:18 pm

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Obviously Donnie, but Nico was here at the start of the season. He has his fault.

I don't care what Brunson wanted, Dallas can't lose a player like him for nothing.
Dallas can't arrive at the FA without an extension signed, then we can trade him where he wants. No problem.

Bad management. That is not objectionable.
Its a players league so it kinda matters what the player wants to do.

If he wanted to go to NY when were they going to trade him? He wasn't going to just sit on the team and wait around.

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You are right, it's a players league.
But i doubt that Brunson wanted to go to NY at the start (and neither in the middle) of the season.

Our FO screwed themselves. Again.
Donnie could have made him RFA and didn't which is the biggest issue.

Brunsons dad, godfather, and agent all work for the Knicks along with growing up there

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Re: Mavericks Considering Adding Veteran Ballhandler To Roster 

Post#182 » by Bob8 » Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:44 pm

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The problem is that the front office looks incompetent.

-We have no minutes to give to Dragic.
-Frank or Josh can be the 3rd ballhandler.
-Oh sh*t, season is starting. What about that guy that couldn't play in the playoffs, can't defend and can't really shoot?

It's like they were expecting someone to magically fall into their lap or didn't understand their team.

Most people thought that they had some sort of plan, but it looks like they don't.


Exactly. It would be laughable, if they couldn't give minutes to Dragic, but eventually have to give to Campazzo.


Not the same thing tho. Mavs had minutes to give to dragic, just not the amount of minutes he wanted. Even if we would sign campazzo, which i hope we dont, the minutes he will get is not the amount of minutes dragic wanted guarenteed. If dragic had been intrested in the role/minutes campazzo would get if signed he would have been signed.

Its a week left. We will see what happens but im pretty sure someone more intresting then campazzo will get available. If we get that guy, who knows, but better keep that rosterspot open gor awhile now.


If we calculate injuries and all the resting, 20 minutes for 3rd ball handler are for sure available and you don't get much better player than Goran for vet minimum. I could understand that they didn't want him, if they have had better option, but they hadn't.
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Re: Mavericks Considering Adding Veteran Ballhandler To Roster 

Post#183 » by Archx » Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:13 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:Well we didn't say no to Brunson, actually they offered him a 5yr deal this past summer and a much smaller 4yr deal last yr. Brunson wanted to leave and was a UFA, how he got to be a UFA is a different question. Clearly Brunson wanted his own team, that wasn't going to happen here.

Dragic isn't really that good even if he's better than campazzio

They should go get Kemba or bring back Trey Burke


Rick Brunson (his dad and also manager i believe), offered 55/4 deal to Mavs earlier in the season but Mavs said no. Through entire year there were rumors floating that Brunson could be traded for a better player or players but Cuban was telling everyone that there is no chance Mavs will let Jalen go. He always laughed when asked about it.

Now, here is the most embarrassing part (if that was not embarrassing enough)... Rick told Jalen to prepare himself to be a Mav for life and his family were ready for that and, Cuban with his massive ego, had entire season to act but just couldn't do the right thing. Rick offered Mavs almost the same money that Powell is earning but he got declined, that's absurd.

Next thing where Mavs clearly fumbled the ball is when they gambled on him thinking that they got this in the bag but with Jalen playing decent in the playoffs suddenly winds shifted when business kicked in and Rick was eventually fed up with Mavs. Jalen obviously went for the bigger bag and change of scenery.

And another massive head scratcher, why Mavs didn't make Jalen RFA? Doesn't matter who was the GM.. When **** happens, Cuban is always somehow involved. He literally got gifted Luka by 3 organizations and struck insane luck with Brunson, obviously he couldn't get almost anything right since then.


Here are quotes from the article directly from Rick Brunson.

Dallas could have signed Brunson to a four-year extension for as much as $55.5 million before the season, but the Mavs didn’t offer it then nor did they engage in negotiations with Brunson’s representatives.

Nor were the Mavs willing to make that commitment midseason

I told him once the season is started, that’s it,” Rick Brunson says. “I told the Mavericks, ‘Once the season is started, there’s no contract talk,’ and I went back against my word. In January, I thought he did enough where he deserved [the extension]. I said, ‘Hey, take the money, man.’ He wants security. He wants to live here. And they declined.


He didn’t turn s— down. Y’all declined first. When y’all came back to him, we said, ‘Hey, we just want to finish out the season and go from there.'”
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Re: Mavericks Considering Adding Veteran Ballhandler To Roster 

Post#184 » by Maverick41 » Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:26 pm

Can we move on from the Dragic and Brunson talk? We've been through this so many times and know that it's going to around in circles and repeat the exact same points. I think it's pretty well established even outside of the the Mavs fanbase that the Mavs FO (both) messed up. I'm pretty sure if you had a private convo with Nico, he would probably admit it himself. At this point, I'd rather just move on and see what the team can do moving forward.

For example, what ballhandler that is attainable would we prefer? Campazzo and Kemba have been brought up the most. Is there anyone else?
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Re: Mavericks Considering Adding Veteran Ballhandler To Roster 

Post#185 » by Mavrelous » Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:59 pm

I think Jazz will take Powell + Bertans for Conely and Gay, Mavs should explore this avenue, Conley is a lights out shooter and capable of 20 MPG, money is about the same.
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Re: Mavericks Considering Adding Veteran Ballhandler To Roster 

Post#186 » by Mavrelous » Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:18 am

Looks like the Facu deal is about to happen, Stein is reporting advanced talks between Mavs and Facu's representatives
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Re: Mavericks Considering Adding Veteran Ballhandler To Roster 

Post#187 » by Maverick41 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:18 am

KhalilS wrote:I think Jazz will take Powell + Bertans for Conely and Gay, Mavs should explore this avenue, Conley is a lights out shooter and capable of 20 MPG, money is about the same.

I would do this too. Utah can even add 2 more of their minimum guys so that it saves them more money and trims their roster.

Obviously Conley is overpaid but he would easily be one of the best backup PGs in the NBA in a bench role.
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Re: Mavericks Considering Adding Veteran Ballhandler To Roster 

Post#188 » by Mavrelous » Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:30 am

I don't share the board's grim outlook on Facu, Mavs bench is one of the best in the league and can benefit greatly from true pass 1st PG, Denver system isn't ideal from non scoring PGs, and they don't have the shooting Mavs have, a lineup of
Facu
Hardy
THJ
Bertans
Maxi

Will be very good.
He's also tough, dirty and strong, Mavs don't have this type.
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Post#189 » by Mavrelous » Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:42 am

Truck that MoFo Facu
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Re: Mavericks Considering Adding Veteran Ballhandler To Roster 

Post#190 » by Teffer10 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:55 am

KhalilS wrote:I don't share the board's grim outlook on Facu, Mavs bench is one of the best in the league and can benefit greatly from true pass 1st PG, Denver system isn't ideal from non scoring PGs, and they don't have the shooting Mavs have, a lineup of
Facu
Hardy
THJ
Bertans
Maxi

Will be very good.
He's also tough, dirty and strong, Mavs don't have this type.

Offensively that lineup looks good.
Defensively it would be a nightmare.
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Re: Mavericks Considering Adding Veteran Ballhandler To Roster 

Post#191 » by Mavrelous » Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:59 am

It's a 2nd unit in case one of Luka/Spencer is injured/resting, they won't be playing starters.
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Post#192 » by Maverick41 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:15 am

Well the good news for Campazzo is that small guards have done very well here for a long time. Would be happy for him to prove me wrong and actually be a good rotation player.
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Re: Mavericks Considering Adding Veteran Ballhandler To Roster 

Post#193 » by Mavrelous » Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:27 am

Scouting report for the dirty midget
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Post#194 » by Apz » Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:37 am

KhalilS wrote:I think Jazz will take Powell + Bertans for Conely and Gay, Mavs should explore this avenue, Conley is a lights out shooter and capable of 20 MPG, money is about the same.


Would definetly not take those corpses. Money is not even close to the same either
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Post#195 » by Michaellam1987 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:07 am

KhalilS wrote:I think Jazz will take Powell + Bertans for Conely and Gay, Mavs should explore this avenue, Conley is a lights out shooter and capable of 20 MPG, money is about the same.


Valuewise it may be fair, but what we should do next year for Conley's contract? It is 24.36M with 14.32m guaranteed, it is a difficult decision. Adding Gay's 6.5M next year, and compare this total to the 17M that we are currently paying to Bertans next year. I would rather choose to hold on for Bertans rather than making this deal.
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Post#196 » by Maverick41 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:27 am

Michaellam1987 wrote:Valuewise it may be fair, but what we should do next year for Conley's contract? It is 24.36M with 14.32m guaranteed, it is a difficult decision. Adding Gay's 6.5M next year, and compare this total to the 17M that we are currently paying to Bertans next year. I would rather choose to hold on for Bertans rather than making this deal.

Pick it up and package his expiring + Gay's expring + FRPs that we'll regain access to that summer for a disgruntled star. Similar to the Dejounte Murray deal where Gallo had a partially guaranteed contract VERY similar to the Conley contract.
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Re: Mavericks Considering Adding Veteran Ballhandler To Roster 

Post#197 » by 41Dirk41 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:43 am

Maverick41 wrote:Can we move on from the Dragic and Brunson talk? We've been through this so many times and know that it's going to around in circles and repeat the exact same points. I think it's pretty well established even outside of the the Mavs fanbase that the Mavs FO (both) messed up. I'm pretty sure if you had a private convo with Nico, he would probably admit it himself. At this point, I'd rather just move on and see what the team can do moving forward.

For example, what ballhandler that is attainable would we prefer? Campazzo and Kemba have been brought up the most. Is there anyone else?


Agree, Mavs FO are simply indefensible in those 2 situation. Cuban,Donnie and Nico know that for sure.

And if we really sign Campazzo (hope not)some users have to hide their heads under the sand in shame :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anyway we can only hope that FO will make a good trade at TDL for a 2way SG/SF who can dribble.
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Post#198 » by Bob8 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:43 am

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KhalilS wrote:I don't share the board's grim outlook on Facu, Mavs bench is one of the best in the league and can benefit greatly from true pass 1st PG, Denver system isn't ideal from non scoring PGs, and they don't have the shooting Mavs have, a lineup of
Facu
Hardy
THJ
Bertans
Maxi

Will be very good.
He's also tough, dirty and strong, Mavs don't have this type.


Campazzo was 1 of the best guards in Europe. His main problem in Nba is being bad shooter. Other problem is, because of different defensive rules, he was good defender in Europe and is below average in Nba. Positive things are his passing and energy with which he's playing. We will for sure see some great plays from him, but it's questionable if that is enough, having in mind Luka/Dinwiddie will probably miss 15+ games.
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Post#199 » by Maverick41 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:54 am

It's gonna be be fun hearing the crowd chant "FACU, FACU, FACU." :lol:
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Post#200 » by 41Dirk41 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:00 am

"El Mundo de Facundo!" 8-) 8-) 8-)

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