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Post#201 » by Michaellam1987 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:14 am

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Michaellam1987 wrote:Valuewise it may be fair, but what we should do next year for Conley's contract? It is 24.36M with 14.32m guaranteed, it is a difficult decision. Adding Gay's 6.5M next year, and compare this total to the 17M that we are currently paying to Bertans next year. I would rather choose to hold on for Bertans rather than making this deal.

Pick it up and package his expiring + Gay's expring + FRPs that we'll regain access to that summer for a disgruntled star. Similar to the Dejounte Murray deal where Gallo had a partially guaranteed contract VERY similar to the Conley contract.


Then our roster will become very very expensive, not to mention that we still need to spend a lot to resign Wood.
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Post#202 » by Michaellam1987 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:15 am

Really not interested to add Facundo Campazzo, is he good at defense and ball distribution?
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Post#203 » by Maverick41 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:24 am

Michaellam1987 wrote:Then our roster will become very very expensive, not to mention that we still need to spend a lot to resign Wood.

Not our problem, that's Cubans. If he wants to win, then spend the money.
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Post#204 » by Bob8 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:32 am

Michaellam1987 wrote:Really not interested to add Facundo Campazzo, is he good at defense and ball distribution?


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Post#205 » by 41Dirk41 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:33 am

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Michaellam1987 wrote:Then our roster will become very very expensive, not to mention that we still need to spend a lot to resign Wood.

Not our problem, that's Cubans. If he wants to win, then spend the money.


Yes but Cuban want cheap this season... I don't think win is a priority for him, he is focused on shark tank and crypto right now.
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Post#206 » by algope » Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:34 am

It seems Campazzo is coming. Will be interesting to see what his role is. Is only an insurance signing or is he going to have minutes in a regular basis. He played better his first season whit Nuggets than in the second. I think he could be a better fit here than there because of roster composition.
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Post#207 » by Michaellam1987 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:50 am

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Michaellam1987 wrote:Then our roster will become very very expensive, not to mention that we still need to spend a lot to resign Wood.

Not our problem, that's Cubans. If he wants to win, then spend the money.


Then IMO, this mindset disobeyed the objective of this forum, which is assuming yourself being the real GM to run a nba team.
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Post#208 » by Mavrelous » Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:53 am

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Michaellam1987 wrote:Then our roster will become very very expensive, not to mention that we still need to spend a lot to resign Wood.

Not our problem, that's Cubans. If he wants to win, then spend the money.


Then IMO, this mindset disobeyed the objective of this forum, which is assuming yourself being the real GM to run a nba team.

Cuban hasn't paid tax since the championship year, had the lowest average payroll for the last 5 years in all of the league, and the current problems are a lot of his own doings, Luka isn't Dirk, and if in 3 years the roster is still not a contender, he's bolting.
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Post#209 » by Mavrelous » Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:03 am

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KhalilS wrote:I don't share the board's grim outlook on Facu, Mavs bench is one of the best in the league and can benefit greatly from true pass 1st PG, Denver system isn't ideal from non scoring PGs, and they don't have the shooting Mavs have, a lineup of
Facu
Hardy
THJ
Bertans
Maxi

Will be very good.
He's also tough, dirty and strong, Mavs don't have this type.


Campazzo was 1 of the best guards in Europe. His main problem in Nba is being bad shooter. Other problem is, because of different defensive rules, he was good defender in Europe and is below average in Nba. Positive things are his passing and energy with which he's playing. We will for sure see some great plays from him, but it's questionable if that is enough, having in mind Luka/Dinwiddie will probably miss 15+ games.


In 20 games this season he'll play 25 MPG, in the rest he'll play garbage time.
Mavs are the best spaced team out there and their personnel masters running picks until the PG gets the switch he wants, this is a better situation than DEN.
He's not Brunson and he's not Dragic, but that ship has sailed, I'd rather have him on roster than having empty roster spot.
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Post#210 » by Maverick41 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:01 pm

KhalilS wrote:Cuban hasn't paid tax since the championship year, had the lowest average payroll for the last 5 years in all of the league, and the current problems are a lot of his own doings, Luka isn't Dirk, and if in 3 years the roster is still not a contender, he's bolting.

Exactly. The best teams in the NBA all have a large payroll. If the deterrent to getting Luka a sidekick is money or the luxury tax of all things, good luck keeping him long term.
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Post#211 » by 41Dirk41 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:12 pm

3 years? You are too optimistic...
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Post#212 » by Mavrelous » Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:33 pm

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Post#213 » by Apz » Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:41 pm

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KhalilS wrote:Cuban hasn't paid tax since the championship year, had the lowest average payroll for the last 5 years in all of the league, and the current problems are a lot of his own doings, Luka isn't Dirk, and if in 3 years the roster is still not a contender, he's bolting.

Exactly. The best teams in the NBA all have a large payroll. If the deterrent to getting Luka a sidekick is money or the luxury tax of all things, good luck keeping him long term.


Having a large payroll got nothing to do with taking on corpses. Do those teams have 30m dead money on the books? In what eay does 30m deadmoney make them better? If its that good, we xan probably get a 1st or 2 for bertans then. Taking on bad money is never a +, however u try to sell it
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Post#214 » by Mavrelous » Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:28 pm

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Maverick41 wrote:
KhalilS wrote:Cuban hasn't paid tax since the championship year, had the lowest average payroll for the last 5 years in all of the league, and the current problems are a lot of his own doings, Luka isn't Dirk, and if in 3 years the roster is still not a contender, he's bolting.

Exactly. The best teams in the NBA all have a large payroll. If the deterrent to getting Luka a sidekick is money or the luxury tax of all things, good luck keeping him long term.


Having a large payroll got nothing to do with taking on corpses. Do those teams have 30m dead money on the books? In what eay does 30m deadmoney make them better? If its that good, we xan probably get a 1st or 2 for bertans then. Taking on bad money is never a +, however u try to sell it

Conely is owed 35 if waived and 42 if not, exactly like Bertans, and Powell is owed 11, Gay 12-13, this is the same money, Conely is actually need as 3rd ball handler, Bertans doesn't see flooe with Kidd emphasis on defense.
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Post#215 » by DreamTeam09 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:01 pm

Bertanz + Powell for Conley + Stanley Johnson works.... Some picks going to Utah would probably be needed. Turning Bertanz in Conley is an upgrade
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Post#216 » by 41Dirk41 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:21 pm

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Post#217 » by Maverick41 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:00 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:Seems they are high on the kid and everybody said good stuff about him.

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2022/10/12/23401137/team-usa-head-coach-jim-boylen-on-mavs-prospect-mckinley-wright-iv

I like Wright. He's been playing really well and his ability to hound on D has been good. I would be surprised if he doesn't get 1 of the 2 way spots.
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Post#218 » by Mavrelous » Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:18 pm

Panda made a video, looks like the deal is done
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Post#219 » by Michaellam1987 » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:37 am

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Maverick41 wrote:Exactly. The best teams in the NBA all have a large payroll. If the deterrent to getting Luka a sidekick is money or the luxury tax of all things, good luck keeping him long term.


Having a large payroll got nothing to do with taking on corpses. Do those teams have 30m dead money on the books? In what eay does 30m deadmoney make them better? If its that good, we xan probably get a 1st or 2 for bertans then. Taking on bad money is never a +, however u try to sell it

Conely is owed 35 if waived and 42 if not, exactly like Bertans, and Powell is owed 11, Gay 12-13, this is the same money, Conely is actually need as 3rd ball handler, Bertans doesn't see flooe with Kidd emphasis on defense.


I think Conley contract is 23M this year and 24M next year (14M guaranteed), total is 47M, not 42M, and even if waived, then it is 37M. For Bertans, it is 38M for 3 years, as he will definitely be waived in his 5M guaranteed in final year. And, I have no concern on current year as the problem is not on this year Conley of 23M + Gay of 6M vs Bertans of 17M + Powell of 11M, which is comparable. The problem is on next year, Conley of 24M + Gay of 6M vs Bertans of 18M, this make DAL roster 12M more expensive, if you waive Conley, then the salary becomes comparable, but is it really good route to go with 14M dead money in order to save for 10M?

We have more than enough expiring contracts to make big trade every year. Conley's expiring contract places no help on this regards. Next year expiring Dinwiddie + Bullock + Bertans = already 48M already.
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Post#220 » by Maverick41 » Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:58 am

Michaellam1987 wrote:We have more than enough expiring contracts to make big trade every year. Conley's expiring contract places no help on this regards. Next year expiring Dinwiddie + Bullock + Bertans = already 48M already.

My line of thinking with Conley and Gay's expiring contracts next season is that having those contracts allows you to trade them instead and keep Dinwiddie and/or Bullock when making said "big trade" in the summer.

I know it's a lot of money but it's one way the Mavs can actually make a big trade without trading key players in the process. Again, just like the Dejounte Murray trade the Hawks did.

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