Welcome Tobias Harris

[FlyingArrow]

We literally gave a 200 M contract to a player who never was nothing special, just averaged like 14 ppg in the Playoffs and had marginal impact and was a questionable fit around our two young stars.

We deserve to suck.

I recommended giving Tobias a huge contract, but that was because I recommended running it back. And keeping Butler and Redick and Tobias meant we would have no room to chase free agents. Butler and Redick left... and we found money for Al Horford. Tobias' contract was an overpay that only made sense in the context of "we can't afford anyone else anyway".

[elchengue20]

I hope some stopped being delusional about Tobias. Hes a poor mans Carmelo Anthony, not a winning player.

He cant create for others, cant shoot the 3 consistenly and is a below average defender.Not the player you want as your 2nd or even 3rd option. Also he likes to operate a lot from both the low and high post, a bad fit next to Embiid.

Trading for him was stupid and resignig to a max was even more, thanks Elton.

[Sixteen]

I hope some stopped being delusional about Tobias. Hes a poor mans Carmelo Anthony, not a winning player.

He cant create for others, cant shoot the 3 consistenly and is a below average defender.Not the player you want as your 2nd or even 3rd option. Also he likes to operate a lot from both the low and high post, a bad fit next to Embiid.

Trading for him was stupid and resignig to a max was even more, thanks Elton.

The problem is that he's asked to be the #2 and some nights #1 option on a championship team. Tobias is perfect for the 3rd or 4th scoring option.

[Sportfan73]

I hope some stopped being delusional about Tobias. Hes a poor mans Carmelo Anthony, not a winning player.

He cant create for others, cant shoot the 3 consistenly and is a below average defender.Not the player you want as your 2nd or even 3rd option. Also he likes to operate a lot from both the low and high post, a bad fit next to Embiid.

Trading for him was stupid and resignig to a max was even more, thanks Elton.

The problem is that he's asked to be the #2 and some nights #1 option on a championship team. Tobias is perfect for the 3rd or 4th scoring option.

I just don’t like where he plays or the space he occupies. His talent level is fine

[elchengue20]

I hope some stopped being delusional about Tobias. Hes a poor mans Carmelo Anthony, not a winning player.

He cant create for others, cant shoot the 3 consistenly and is a below average defender.Not the player you want as your 2nd or even 3rd option. Also he likes to operate a lot from both the low and high post, a bad fit next to Embiid.

Trading for him was stupid and resignig to a max was even more, thanks Elton.

The problem is that he's asked to be the #2 and some nights #1 option on a championship team. Tobias is perfect for the 3rd or 4th scoring option.

No, he sucks even more as a 3rd option because hes a bad spot up shooter and he wont have many touches to do his thing.

Hes a 1rst option on a loterry team or a 2nd option in a playoff team with no real championship aspiration.

Also hes a bad fit with Embiid, he should be better playing with a guard as a 1st option who gives him more space to operate inside. Thats why trading for him was really stupid.

[phillynative]

He addressed the fans after game 7 by saying we deserve better and hes going to get better, get back in the lab and take his game to the next level.

My question is does Tobias have a next level?

I think he is at his apex or close to it and can get a little better at certain parts of his game but not exactly next level.

[Arsenal]

I hope some stopped being delusional about Tobias. Hes a poor mans Carmelo Anthony, not a winning player.

He cant create for others, cant shoot the 3 consistenly and is a below average defender.Not the player you want as your 2nd or even 3rd option. Also he likes to operate a lot from both the low and high post, a bad fit next to Embiid.

Trading for him was stupid and resignig to a max was even more, thanks Elton.

The problem is that he's asked to be the #2 and some nights #1 option on a championship team. Tobias is perfect for the 3rd or 4th scoring option.

It's franchise crippling to pay a 3rd or 4th option on offense that provides virtually nothing else (defense, playmaking) $40M per year. It was management MALPRACTICE to give up assets for him in trade, then hand him that obscene contract.

[Arsenal]

He addressed the fans after game 7 by saying we deserve better and hes going to get better, get back in the lab and take his game to the next level.

My question is does Tobias have a next level?

I think he is at his apex or close to it and can get a little better at certain parts of his game but not exactly next level.

Absolutely not. We're going nowhere with his albatross contract on the books. No doubt Morey will dump him first chance he gets.

[SixthStreet]

I'm hoping the braintrust sees how Simmons and Embiid look without Harris before moving to trade Simmons at the deadline. Even if we just look at our existing roster with no additions from a Harris trade I'd like to see what a lineup of Maxey, Curry, Green, Simmons, and Embiid would look like and whether Simmons would be a corner floor spacer with a willing trigger. If you do get that version of Simmons I don't think you can be better by making a Simmons trade.

I think the only way to hope for that version of Simmons is trading Harris.

[76ciology]

First off, Tobias Harris being one of the highest paid players in the league makes him an overpaid player. He is and should be the first asset we should trade, if we can get a good player in return.

Level 0 in terms of untouchable player. I want Paul Reed to start at PF over him. We even can have Melton to replace him at the starting unit. Maybe even Danuel House or Thybulle.

But.. did we get a good return for the assets we gave up and considering how it’s a bid war in FA and how the roster structure should be with Ben, in the end, did we get a good return for Tobias?

I ask this while Watching Landry Shamet play down the stretch against the Adelaide 36ers makes me wonder..

Who is the best player we gave up in the trade for Tobias Harris? Shamet? Any guy drafted in those picks we gave up that has turned promising?

Could we have just signed Tobias instead of trading for him?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nba/news/nba-free-agency-rumors-nets-tobias-harris-have-mutual-interest/wc1apoknhia1k8zhptn09o2f

The Kings, Pacers, Mavericks and Jazz reportedly will pursue Harris, as well.

The only L i see is if we, ridiculously, gave up Jimmy for Tobias. Which I believe its because of Ben.

https://theathletic.com/2854156/2021/09/28/ben-simmons-believes-playing-with-joel-embiid-has-run-its-course-and-sixers-media-day-messages-fall-flat-with-him/

During his rant, Embiid revealed that the Sixers essentially picked Butler over Simmons a couple of years ago, which the veteran center thinks is a mistake to this day.

"It was kind of surprising to see," Embiid said in regards to The Athletic report, which suggested Simmons cannot play alongside Embiid anymore. "We'll say that even going back to, I mean, the reason we signed Al (Horford) and got rid of Jimmy (Butler), which I still think was a mistake, just to make sure he needed the ball in his hands, and that's the decision they made. Like I said, it is surprising."

..if Sixers wants Ben to have the ball in his hands, then I dont see them to go after the oft injured Brogdon and DLo if ever they have cap room.

[elchengue20]

He just isn't what we need.

Also soft as charmin.

[mjkvol]

He just isn't what we need.

Also soft as charmin.

We all know that, and it obviously won't change.

Morey knows it too, and tried like hell to move him over the summer. Hopefully something will happen before the deadline.

[the_process]

Chicago and Charlotte should be the focus on the Tobias front.

Morey also has to completely ignore Glenn. Remind him that another 2nd round exit will find him sitting on his couch pounding cheese puffs looking at trans porn.

Glenn might not care about getting fired though, considering he will still be getting somewhere in the neighborhood of 16M to eat those puffs and watch that porn the next two years. He does seem to care about his legacy though, evidenced by how hard he goes after regular season wins.

[76ciology]

Tobias Harris is shooting a career high 44 percent from long range for the Sixers this season. He’s also attempting a career high 5.7 triples per game. Embracing his role.

[M2J]

Tobias Harris is shooting a career high 44 percent from long range for the Sixers this season. He’s also attempting a career high 5.7 triples per game. Embracing his role.

I was just about to post in this thread about Tobias impact overall.

Primarily in that people wanted to trade him for role players such as PJ Tucker, but Tobias head to head is proving that he is more valuable to this team than even a PJ Tucker.

He's shooting a perfect volume of threes, at a super high clip.... Plus when he's not shooting well he can take advantage of the mismatches of them putting a star players such as Devon Booker on him... We also saw it versus Bradley Beale. Making those guys work. Unlike a Crowder... He isn't a player that you can hide your weakness on. Tucker has been that player.

I don't mean to pick on PJ Tucker, because Tucker has been exactly what I expected and is shooting well from 3 himself and playing tough defense. He's not really the problem. The problem is the back court. Defensively at least. The easiest solution is make Tucker your backup 4 and 5. 4 in the Joel and Maxey bench...5 in the Harden and Tobi bench. Make Melton a starter. 4 guys willing to let it fly and make plays, plus versatility defensively.

But Tobias has been really wonderful in this role.... To the extent of.... Why even look to trade him?

[76ciology]

Tobias Harris is shooting a career high 44 percent from long range for the Sixers this season. He’s also attempting a career high 5.7 triples per game. Embracing his role.

I was just about to post in this thread about Tobias impact overall.

Primarily in that people wanted to trade him for role players such as PJ Tucker, but Tobias head to head is proving that he is more valuable to this team than even a PJ Tucker.

He's shooting a perfect volume of threes, at a super high clip.... Plus when he's not shooting well he can take advantage of the mismatches of them putting a star players such as Devon Booker on him... We also saw it versus Bradley Beale. Making those guys work. Unlike a Crowder... He isn't a player that you can hide your weakness on. Tucker has been that player.

I don't mean to pick on PJ Tucker, because Tucker has been exactly what I expected and is shooting well from 3 himself and playing tough defense. He's not really the problem. The problem is the back court. Defensively at least. The easiest solution is make Tucker your backup 4 and 5. 4 in the Joel and Maxey bench...5 in the Harden and Tobi bench. Make Melton a starter. 4 guys willing to let it fly and make plays, plus versatility defensively.

But Tobias has been really wonderful in this role.... To the extent of.... Why even look to trade him?

Agree.

I think both players are good but they are put into a bad position for success, specially if you are going to base it on their individual player salary that they wont ever live up to.

I think Tobias could have been a good fit if Embiid’s athleticism and defense didn’t decline while Ben showed continues improvement, which was what we projected back then.

For Tucker, I think people just rely on his “dog” image and just expect him to be our Draymond Green or Dennis Rodman PF that would solve our defense. But he’s more like an icing on the cake, type defender. Bucks had Giannis-Brolo-Jrue and Heat had Jimmy-Bam as their defensive core or anchor, and Tucker was just there to complete it.

You wouldn’t need either or both if Embiid was just as good of durable as Giannis, Jokic or any top players. And that’s why we have to overpay for them. You can’t just surround Embiid with 3&D players.

[M2J]

Tobias Harris is shooting a career high 44 percent from long range for the Sixers this season. He’s also attempting a career high 5.7 triples per game. Embracing his role.

I was just about to post in this thread about Tobias impact overall.

Primarily in that people wanted to trade him for role players such as PJ Tucker, but Tobias head to head is proving that he is more valuable to this team than even a PJ Tucker.

He's shooting a perfect volume of threes, at a super high clip.... Plus when he's not shooting well he can take advantage of the mismatches of them putting a star players such as Devon Booker on him... We also saw it versus Bradley Beale. Making those guys work. Unlike a Crowder... He isn't a player that you can hide your weakness on. Tucker has been that player.

I don't mean to pick on PJ Tucker, because Tucker has been exactly what I expected and is shooting well from 3 himself and playing tough defense. He's not really the problem. The problem is the back court. Defensively at least. The easiest solution is make Tucker your backup 4 and 5. 4 in the Joel and Maxey bench...5 in the Harden and Tobi bench. Make Melton a starter. 4 guys willing to let it fly and make plays, plus versatility defensively.

But Tobias has been really wonderful in this role.... To the extent of.... Why even look to trade him?

Agree.

I think both players are good but they are put into a bad position for success, specially if you are going to base it on their individual player salary that they wont ever live up to.

I think Tobias could have been a good fit if Embiid’s athleticism and defense didn’t decline while Ben showed continues improvement, which was what we projected back then.

For Tucker, I think people just rely on his “dog” image and just expect him to be our Draymond Green or Dennis Rodman PF that would solve our defense. But he’s more like an icing on the cake, type defender. Bucks had Giannis-Brolo-Jrue and Heat had Jimmy-Bam as their defensive core or anchor, and Tucker was just there to complete it.

You wouldn’t need either or both if Embiid was just as good of durable as Giannis, Jokic or any top players. And that’s why we have to overpay for them. You can’t just surround Embiid with 3&D players.

The Joel we saw Monday and vs Chicago is what's needed. Hopefully we see more. He's still a monster when focused. I would say he's completely on he's the best 2 way player in the league... and I'm watching everyone play. But that isn't reliable. But him focusing on defense can be.

There's defensive foundation in Philly. Tisse, Melton, Tucker is a super versatile piece. So is Tobi to bring it full circle. Melton or Thybulle would add more perimeter defense and athletic ability to the starting lineup and have a solid piece on all 3 levels. Just seeing it without Harden in the lineup shows a lot of promise.

[LeonJordanJr24]

Move Tobias for a athletic stretch 4 and slide Tucker to the 3 . Problem solved

[the_process]

Charlotte, the Knicks, Chicago, Lakers maybe?

Earn your paycheck Morey. Be the used car salesman you were meant to be. But also value your players correctly.

[SixthStreet]

As a never-Tobias, the acceptance stage is peaceful. He's going to be here at least this year and that's what it will be. Maybe we can win in spite of him, maybe not. Zen.